Stop teaching morons that Christianity has a monopoly on virtue

[Cypress]

I believe you are conflating the concept of abstract reasoning with a verifiable fact about the natural world. I never asserted, nor do I assert that abstract reasoning
such as creating law, including natural law, is irrational. They can be. Ideas can be reasoned or without any reason. The reason should be based in the natural world.
Non empirically based superstitious beliefs do not appeal to anything in the natural world, by definition. Ideas that are abstractions and are created in my mind have a chemical existence
in the brain. I do not contend that they do not exist, whether irrational or rational. Again, at risk of beating a dead horse, I disagree with your final sentence.
I draw a distinction between belief and knowledge.
You simply choose to believe some things, I assume, without any proof. I call that an irrational belief. You must possess a better God antennae than do I.

Belief, by definition, falls somewhere in between truth and conjecture. Belief can be, but is not necessarily, based on reason and rationality.

It has nothing to do with God, Allah Vishnu, or Brahman We all believe things without empircal proofs or laboratory experiments. There simply is not enough analytical data available to us to build our knowledge and experience on. If any of us really thought about it, we all hold many beliefs which are not based on empirical data or laboratory results.

 

[BidenPresident]

If any of us really thought about it we all hold many beliefs which are not based on empirical data or laboratory results.

Very little of what I believe has anything to do with science.

 

[Micawber]

Belief, by definition, falls somewhere in between truth and conjecture. Belief can be, but is not necessarily, based on reason and rationality.

It has nothing to do with God, Allah Vishnu, or Brahman We all believe things without empircal proofs or laboratory experiments. There simply is not enough analytical data available to us to build our knowledge and experience on. If any of us really thought about it we all hold many beliefs which are not based on empirical data or laboratory results.

My definition of empirical evidence is not just data gathered for scientific analysis to support a hypothesis in a university study. It includes all that we perceive with our senses.
We are starting a do loop in the discussion here.

 

[Cypress]

Yeah it can be. I hadn't engaged in that stuff for a while. I'd heard the whole God via natural law thing before...

I did not say, nor do I necessarily think, natural law has anything to do with a Judeo-Christian God.

The American revolutionaries who invoked natural law were deists.
The French revolutionaries who invoked natural law were atheists.

The Nuremberg trials were predicated on universal human rights imbued with a natural law backdrop. These trials were adjudicated by the atheist Soviet Union and the constitutionally secular governments of USA and United Kingdom.

It is possible to believe in higher universal truths without invoking religion.

Just my two cents

 

[BidenPresident]

The American revolutionaries who invoked natural law were deists.
The French revolutionaries who invoked natural law were atheists.

Never heard that before. Who believes that besides yourself?

 

[Cypress]

Well that's OK. I enjoyed the exchange. He made me think about it, and he defended his beliefs using reasoning, unlike
morons such as PMP

Thanks for a good, intelligent exchange

 

[Cypress]

Never heard that before. Who believes that besides yourself?

It is widely understood by anyone who has read history that the Declaration of Independence and the French Revolution were invoking universal natural rights.

 

[BidenPresident]

It is widely understood by anyone who has read history that the Declaration of Independence and the French Revolution were invoking universal natural rights.

So, you're lying. Boring.

 

[Matt Dillon]

Never heard that before. Who believes that besides yourself?

Everybody that's had some college, maybe?

The French Revolutionists were the 1st Commies. Book burnings and all.

A certain part of my ancestors fled to America from that. They were French Aristocrats.

 

[Cypress]

So, you're lying. Boring.

the fact you were unaware of it does not make me a liar.

Anyone who reads history is aware the deist Thomas Jefferson was invoking the concept of universal natural rights in the Declaration of Independence. As were the French atheists in the universal declaration of human rights.


You have a habit of falsely calling me a fundamentalist christian and a liar, which is a poor reflection on your character.

 

[Cypress]

My definition of empirical evidence is not just data gathered for scientific analysis to support a hypothesis in a university study. It includes all that we perceive with our senses.
We are starting a do loop in the discussion here.

I believe in mercy, justice, and virtue. And I believe these these values are universal and exist independently and apart from secular law, public opinion, or the whims of dictators.

Nor can they be experimentally proven, or proven by sensory perception or empirical evidence.

 

[Cypress]

Cypress is a religious fundamentalist.

No matter what he discusses, always boils down to one thing: God did it.

You are just like that other coterie of INCELs who were relentless about propagating horseshit bogus innuendo about me.

I am not a Christian fundamentalist
If I had to pick a label, I am borderline agnostic

And I have specifically gone out of my way to allow for the possibility that science may ultimately be able to explain consciousness by the standard methods of inductive logic:
>> https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...ysicist-amp-philosopher&p=4437987#post4437987

The fact that you made a copy-cat post about physicist Sean Carrol means you were aware of this.

 

[Jerry Mathers]

I did not say, nor do I necessarily think, natural law has anything to do with a Judeo-Christian God.

The American revolutionaries who invoked natural law were deists.
The French revolutionaries who invoked natural law were atheists.

The Nuremberg trials were predicated on universal human rights imbued with a natural law backdrop. These trials were adjudicated by the atheist Soviet Union and the constitutionally secular governments of USA and United Kingdom.

It is possible to believe in higher universal truths without invoking religion.

Just my two cents

Yes. Cooperation and love working are clearly observable.


And God is love.

 

[BidenPresident]

You are just like.

Childish personal attack. You are not capable of rational debate.

 

[BidenPresident]

the fact you were unaware of it does not make me a liar.

Anyone who reads history is aware the deist Thomas Jefferson was invoking the concept of universal natural rights in the Declaration of Independence. As were the French atheists in the universal declaration of human rights.


You have a habit of falsely calling me a fundamentalist christian and a liar, which is a poor reflection on your character.

You cannot debate.

 

[Mr.Badguy]

Yes. Cooperation and love working are clearly observable.


And God is love.

Tell that to Lot's wife, or any of the other people massacred in the bible.

 

[Sailor]

Has any liberal here been watching the Governor of NY lately? Just curious.

 

[Lionfish]

An interesting OP. I think this twat is a Governor somewhere.

 

[Cypress]

Childish personal attack.

You are not capable of rational debate!

There is no legitimate poster here who believes that but you

 

[BidenPresident]

There is no legitimate poster here who believes that but you

so?