Dopey Trumper chooses death over vax, hospital boots the bozo off transplant list

reagansghost said:
D.J. Ferguson, a 31-year-old man, is fighting for his life at Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston. Ferguson has been hospitalized since November when his lungs started filling with blood and fluid due to a hereditary heart issue. He desperately needs a heart transplant. The good news had been that he was first on the transplant list. But then he refused to get the COVID vaccine, and hospital policy mandated his removal. The policy exists because the shortage of available hearts, and all other organs for that matter, means transplants are reserved for those patients most likely to survive the operation. As a transplant requires immunosuppressive drugs to reduce the chances of rejection, it raises the odds you will get COVID. And if you get COVID, it increases the likelihood you will die from the disease. Dr. Arthur Caplan, head of Medical Ethics at NYU Grossman School of Medicine, explains.

“Post any transplant, kidney, heart whatever, your immune system is shut off. The flu could kill you, a cold could kill you, COVID could kill you. The organs are scarce, we are not going to distribute them to someone who has a poor chance of living when others who are vaccinated have a better chance post-surgery of surviving.”

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2022/01/24/covid-19-vaccine-heart-transplant-boston-brigham-womens/

the MAGA's are determined to die.............as I suspected, a Death Cult
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Also, President Biden's policies against the covid-19 pandemic are completely Constitutional in terms of the 10th Amendment:

What does the 10th Amendment say about public health?
The 10th Amendment, which gives states all powers not specifically given to the federal government, allows them the authority to take public health emergency actions, such as setting quarantines and business restrictions." For states to take actions in order to implement emergency mandates at protecting and defending society from the effects of the covid-19 pandemic, is their Constitutional duty to do so.

https://www.americanbar.org/news/ab...l-2020/law-guides-legal-approach-to-pandemic/
 
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Callinectes said:
Do I have this right?
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No, you really do not. You are desperately trying to prove you are the smartest person around, when you really are not. It is sad to watch.

There are only so many transplant organs to go around. Sadly we do not have organs to waste of patients that will not take minimum precautions.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Since his immune system is shut down
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If his immune system shutdown, he would die almost immediately. The drugs dampen his immune response, they do not shut it down completely. With less immunity, it is important his immune system is as well trained as possible against prominent diseases, like influenza, and Covid.
 
Walt said:
If his immune system shutdown, he would die almost immediately. The drugs dampen his immune response, they do not shut it down completely. With less immunity, it is important his immune system is as well trained as possible against prominent diseases, like influenza, and Covid.
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Including to Fauci plague. Thus, the shots were largely irrelevant since we know now they are relatively ineffective.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Including to Fauci plague. Thus, the shots were largely irrelevant since we know now they are relatively ineffective.
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A 90 to 95% reduction in death from Covid is not ineffective. If there is only one organ, but two patients, it is just common sense to give that organ to the patient who has reduced his chances of death by a huge amount. If there are enough organs for everyone, why not give one to the patient who does not care enough to preserve his own life... But there are never enough organs for everyone.
 
Walt said:
A 90 to 95% reduction in death from Covid is not ineffective. If there is only one organ, but two patients, it is just common sense to give that organ to the patient who has reduced his chances of death by a huge amount. If there are enough organs for everyone, why not give one to the patient who does not care enough to preserve his own life... But there are never enough organs for everyone.
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A reduction of 90% say, of 1% is to lower it from negligible to irrelevant. And, when you consider that if you aren't in one of a very few specific categories your chances are more like .1% or less of dying, I'd say the vaccine is proving a little bit better than injecting saline water...
 
There is another family to consider here



The DONOR and their family



They are giving a precious gift out of pure love



That gift can NOT be taken lightly



It should go only to someone willing to make sure that gift endures



Not someone who will abuse the gift by treating it lightly


Acting in a mindless and wreckless manner with this precious gift of love
 
Sorry, but this was an easy decision. There are a limited supply of organs for transplant. There is zero reason to give an organ to someone who may catch Covid and die. Period, end of story. My wife has a friend who was told she could get on the liver transplant list but only if she quit drinking. Same thing. Tough shit, buddy. Get vaxxed and get a heart. Or don't get vaxxed and die. There is no one to blame except the unvaxxed idiot.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
A reduction of 90% say, of 1% is to lower it from negligible to irrelevant.
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Yes, it is becoming a pandemic of the unvaccinated. The rest of us are fine, for the time being. Obviously, things could get worse at any time.

That being said, it certainly is higher than 1% chance of death for someone getting a heart transplant. They will have many health problems, and be taking drugs to suppress their immune system. Let's say he has a 50% chance of dying from Covid, a 95% drop would mean a 2.5% chance. That is a huge difference. If we want to give any patient a heart, it would be the one with a 2.5% chance of dying from Covid, not a 50% chance.

One thing that might be throwing off the statistics here is that people stupid enough not to get vaccinated are making other health mistakes. These are the people honestly arguing that smoking does not cause cancer, and that seatbelts are dangerous. How much of the death is not getting vaccinated, and how much is the myriad of other bad decisions? We will be studying that for decades to come.
 
Callinectes said:
Let me see if I got this straight. He gets a transplant, and immediately post-op, they shut down his immune system (to avoid rejection of the new heart). Now, according to this DR. Caplan fellow, "The flu could kill you; a cold could kill you, COVID could kill you." So, we jab him with the first shot (which knocked my dick in the dirt for 2 days, so let's hope he survives that, not to mention that some young men seem susceptible to jab induced carditis), then we wait two weeks to jab him the 2nd time, then we wait 2 MORE weeks for him to be considered "fully vaccinated". If he survives all that, we pull the old ticker switcheroo and shut down his entire immune system. So now, a cold or the flu could kill him, but thankfully, he's vaccinated against the earliest variants of COVID which haven't been seen in a while, but NOT omicron. Do I have this right?
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Yep. Too bad for him he didn't get vaccinated earlier, but dems da breaks.
 
Walt said:
Yes, it is becoming a pandemic of the unvaccinated. The rest of us are fine, for the time being. Obviously, things could get worse at any time.

That being said, it certainly is higher than 1% chance of death for someone getting a heart transplant. They will have many health problems, and be taking drugs to suppress their immune system. Let's say he has a 50% chance of dying from Covid, a 95% drop would mean a 2.5% chance. That is a huge difference. If we want to give any patient a heart, it would be the one with a 2.5% chance of dying from Covid, not a 50% chance.

One thing that might be throwing off the statistics here is that people stupid enough not to get vaccinated are making other health mistakes. These are the people honestly arguing that smoking does not cause cancer, and that seatbelts are dangerous. How much of the death is not getting vaccinated, and how much is the myriad of other bad decisions? We will be studying that for decades to come.
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Except with Delta and Omicron, the vaccinated caught cases at a higher rate than the unvaccinated. Yes, the cases were generally milder, but that doesn't speak well of the vaccine's effectiveness.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Except with Delta and Omicron, the vaccinated caught cases at a higher rate than the unvaccinated. Yes, the cases were generally milder, but that doesn't speak well of the vaccine's effectiveness.
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If you believe that, you should give him a transplant. The only problem with that is you have no idea how to do a heart transplant, and none of the resources to even start.

The people who are actual medical experts are looking at studies that say the vaccine reduces contagion by about 50%, and reduces death by between 90 and 95%. When they have to decide who to give a limited heart to, they will pick someone who is vaccinated, and much more likely to survive the whole process.

It goes beyond just the higher risk of being unvaccinated. If he is making terrible health decisions in one area, he is certainly making them in other areas.

These are the hard realities of life. If I am the first person to explain them to you, let me tell you how sorry I am you had to learn them in this way.
 
evince said:
If he off the top refuses to follow the medical recommendations


He takes himself off the list
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If there were more than enough hearts for everyone, we would not have to take him off the list. He could be given a heart, refuse to take his medication, reject the heart, and just move on. But there are a limited number of hearts to transplant, and they do not want to lose one to stupidity.
 
Walt said:
If you believe that, you should give him a transplant. The only problem with that is you have no idea how to do a heart transplant, and none of the resources to even start.

The people who are actual medical experts are looking at studies that say the vaccine reduces contagion by about 50%, and reduces death by between 90 and 95%. When they have to decide who to give a limited heart to, they will pick someone who is vaccinated, and much more likely to survive the whole process.

It goes beyond just the higher risk of being unvaccinated. If he is making terrible health decisions in one area, he is certainly making them in other areas.

These are the hard realities of life. If I am the first person to explain them to you, let me tell you how sorry I am you had to learn them in this way.
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Mount Stupid and the Dunning-Kruger Effect are in full swing when it comes to non-medical "experts" dictating to the medical experts on what to do.
 
reagansghost said:
D.J. Ferguson, a 31-year-old man, is fighting for his life at Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston. Ferguson has been hospitalized since November when his lungs started filling with blood and fluid due to a hereditary heart issue. He desperately needs a heart transplant. The good news had been that he was first on the transplant list. But then he refused to get the COVID vaccine, and hospital policy mandated his removal. The policy exists because the shortage of available hearts, and all other organs for that matter, means transplants are reserved for those patients most likely to survive the operation. As a transplant requires immunosuppressive drugs to reduce the chances of rejection, it raises the odds you will get COVID. And if you get COVID, it increases the likelihood you will die from the disease. Dr. Arthur Caplan, head of Medical Ethics at NYU Grossman School of Medicine, explains.

“Post any transplant, kidney, heart whatever, your immune system is shut off. The flu could kill you, a cold could kill you, COVID could kill you. The organs are scarce, we are not going to distribute them to someone who has a poor chance of living when others who are vaccinated have a better chance post-surgery of surviving.”

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2022/01/24/covid-19-vaccine-heart-transplant-boston-brigham-womens/

the MAGA's are determined to die.............as I suspected, a Death Cult
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This is an embarrassment you repugnant, bottom feeding, sewer dwelling dumbass. Letting people die over a shot that doesn't even prevent the transmission or spread? This is how low we have sunk as a society under Democratic hegemony. :sad:
 
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