So, You Want $15 An Hour?

danielpalos said:
We don't have a defense issue simply because we don't have an Immigration clause. Why do right-wingers prefer to practice the abomination hypocrisy (unto God, with a McCarthy era phrase in our pledge) instead of solve our dilemma by being moral enough to bear true witness to our own laws?
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An invasion requires defense.

coming in unlawfully is invasion.
 
Street Glider said:
I defy you to link to a single post where I've said that.

When you realize you can't, I wonder if you'll be man enough to admit you're lying.

You just took a huge shit on whatever shred of credibility you may have had left...
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Sure you did. People can read. Unfortunately for you. Here's your problem. You aren't unique. You are an archetype. I call it the anecdotal appeal to authority. This thread is full of examples. 'I have observed', 'As someone who does sign the checks', 'I pay my employees well', 'I own Walmart stock', 'I talked to this worker holding a sign', 'I talked to the Walmart General Manager'. ROTFLMFAO!!! Who the fuck DOES that? No one.

Not one of those anecdotes is relevant to the discussion. And yet you couldn't wait to make sure you got those in. You think it makes your argument more credible. It doesn't. Your original post is lazy, sloppy, and misleading. You ignore the overhead cost of automated checkout lanes because it isn't good for your simpleton math demonstrating 'savings'. The anecdotes are meaningless when what you post completely belies the claims.

How much does breakage increase with self checkout? What is the capital cost of installing automated checkouts? The cost to man them? The cost to maintain them? What are the benefit savings? Payroll tax savings? An experienced business owner would ask those questions. But you didn't. So claiming you are this or that doesn't mean much when you can't even put together a reasonable argument. Does automation save money? I'm sure it does because Walmart is doing it. But it also CHANGES the model in ways that you chose to ignore because that's not what you are here for. And it would require a lot more effort than you are willing to put in. I've seen your type a hundred times. You aren't even that skilled at it.
 
Concart said:
Sure you did.
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No, I didn't. I challenged you to post a link to where I did, and you proved only to be a dismal failure...

People can read.
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Yes, and those who can will know that you're a liar. I never, ever said that...

I have observed', 'As someone who does sign the checks', 'I pay my employees well', 'I own Walmart stock', 'I talked to this worker holding a sign', 'I talked to the Walmart General Manager'. ROTFLMFAO!!! Who the fuck DOES that? No one.
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You are so monumentally stupid it's almost unnerving.

A lot of my employees shop at Wal-Mart. Likewise, some of the folks who work at Wal-Mart are my customers. Oh, and the General Manager for the local Wal-Mart? He's part of our motorcycle group. See, you're too stupid, though, and without real friendships, that the very idea of knowing someone who can impart important information is beyond you.

You, in short, are an idiot.

And a liar...

You think it makes your argument more credible. It doesn't. Your original post is lazy, sloppy, and misleading. You ignore the overhead cost of automated checkout lanes because it isn't good for your simpleton math demonstrating 'savings'. The anecdotes are meaningless when what you post completely belies the claims.
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What overhead costs? Whatever they are, it's still less than paying eight cashiers $15 an hour...

How much does breakage increase with self checkout?
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That would be no different than with cashier's...

What is the capital cost of installing automated checkouts?
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That's factored into the purchase contract, and it's a one-time charge...


The cost to man them?
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Perhaps you need to get reacquainted with the concept of "self-service". Typically, there's one employee overseeing all of the kiosks in case of problems...

The cost to maintain them?
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Maintenance contracts are normally written into the purchase contract, at least for the first 1-3 years...


What are the benefit savings? Payroll tax savings? An experienced business owner would ask those questions. But you didn't.
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Because I don't have to know what Wal-Mart is going to be saving on payroll taxes, you dummy...

So claiming you are this or that doesn't mean much when you can't even put together a reasonable argument.
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My original point was solid. But, you're a liar and would never admit that...

Does automation save money? I'm sure it does because Walmart is doing it. But it also CHANGES the model in ways that you chose to ignore because that's not what you are here for.
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Changing the model is the very point of the discussion. Automation is going to put people out of work because people are demanding more than they deserve...

And it would require a lot more effort than you are willing to put in.
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Because I dont need to crawl up that particular gnat's ass...

I've seen your type a hundred times.
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And I've seen your type a hundred times. After all, there's no shortage of scumbag liars on the internet.

I again challenge you to find a post where I would show the door to anyone asking for a raise. You can't do it...
 
Why do right-wingers object to equal protection of our own at-will employment laws for unemployment compensation in our at-will employment States?

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
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Robotics are heating up in development/manufacture.

We can expect to start seeing more deployed in low skill tasks.

Its dangerous to over value one's worth in the labor pool. There comes a point where technology gets cheap enough to merit that route.

Its all over farming and livestock management now, warehousing is on a serious uptick and service and retail are not far behind as shown by Walmart's self serve checkouts.

Think you're worth $15 ? Think again.
 
Celticguy said:
Robotics are heating up in development/manufacture.

We can expect to start seeing more deployed in low skill tasks.

Its dangerous to over value one's worth in the labor pool. There comes a point where technology gets cheap enough to merit that route.

Its all over farming and livestock management now, warehousing is on a serious uptick and service and retail are not far behind as shown by Walmart's self serve checkouts.

Think you're worth $15 ? Think again.
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The solution is equal protection of our own at-will employment laws for unemployment compensation so labor can go to school until the private sector hires them.
 
danielpalos said:
The solution is equal protection of our own at-will employment laws for unemployment compensation so labor can go to school until the private sector hires them.
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Wrong. A blanket plan like that creates perpetual students. What if nobody is willing to hire you? What do you do with people too lazy and/or stupid to get the needed education to be employable at a high wage? What happens with those that cannot be cost effectively retrained should their job become obsolete?

You are worth what you prove to an employer you are worth. You don't "deserve" any particular wage just for existing.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Wrong. A blanket plan like that creates perpetual students. What if nobody is willing to hire you? What do you do with people too lazy and/or stupid to get the needed education to be employable at a high wage? What happens with those that cannot be cost effectively retrained should their job become obsolete?

You are worth what you prove to an employer you are worth. You don't "deserve" any particular wage just for existing.
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correct.

the solution is for the individual to improve his worth by education himself.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Wrong. A blanket plan like that creates perpetual students. What if nobody is willing to hire you? What do you do with people too lazy and/or stupid to get the needed education to be employable at a high wage? What happens with those that cannot be cost effectively retrained should their job become obsolete?

You are worth what you prove to an employer you are worth. You don't "deserve" any particular wage just for existing.
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Are you implying you don't believe in capitalism?
 
Celticguy said:
Seems its you that do not. TA says this is a supply and demand issue. If there is no demand for what an individual is capable of supplying, he goes idle or accepts that his supply was overvalued to begin with.
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I would agree with you; but, why require good cause for unemployment compensation in an at-will employment State unless you don't really believe in Capitalism?
 
danielpalos said:
Are you implying you don't believe in capitalism?
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I'm saying you don't believe in capitalism. A forced minimum wage is anti-Capitalist. You want that. The government subsidizing those that are unemployed (including those attending school) is anti-Capitalist. You want that.
 
Celticguy said:
Seems its you that do not. TA says this is a supply and demand issue. If there is no demand for what an individual is capable of supplying, he goes idle or accepts that his supply was overvalued to begin with.
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Precisely. If you have little or no worth to an employer expect to be paid little to nothing by an employer. Your value in the labor market is directly proportional to your ability to generate wealth from your activities.
 
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