So, You Want $15 An Hour?

[LV426]

Again, two very different entities..

Nope. Wrong.

Both are retailers, both are brands owned by the same company.

The business model is retail sales.

According to the General Manager of our local Wal-Mart, he was told that it's going to happen by mid-year 2025.

There you go again, relying on unverifiable personal anecdotes to bridge the credibility gap that exists in your argument.

Well, at least this time an actual year was given...

Such is the fallacy of appealing to (false) authority.

Also, I'm pretty used to Conservatives making shit up now so I can easily sniff out bullshit when it appears.

 

[LV426]

But they're still not getting the quality employees they need. $15 an hour means nothing to someone who's convinced himself he should be paid $20 an hour...

Sounds to me like Walmart automating was less a business choice and more of a necessity since they can't seem to get anyone to work for them.

 

[LV426]

Yes, they can...

OH PLEASE! I've seen that same stupid McDonald's kiosk photo SINCE 2010.

You need new material cuz this shit is PLAYED OUT.

That eliminates 90% + of the counter staff. Just need people in the kitchen assembling the food.

Great! Since McDonald's can't seem to find any workers today, then go for it! I'm all about calling that bluff.

The automation isn't because of workers asking for higher wages, it's because workers simply are not applying for those jobs anymore.

Every single fast food chain out there is begging for workers!

So you would have us believe that they have those 2010 kiosks because of higher wages, when the real reason that they have those kiosks is because of high turnover and low application rates.

 

[LV426]

"No one wants to work" doesn't really jive with the threat of "automation".

It's like, pick a lane y'all....

 

[Street Glider]

I don't do anything stupidly, SG. I don't fashion myself a genius, but I am far from stupid.

Well, if you're not stupid, you're pretty fuckin' ignorant...

And if a person is unproductive, he/she will be unproductive whether manning a significant desk...or emptying wastebaskets or wiping piss from the floor around urinals. An unproductive person is always an unproductive person.

Simply not true.

I had an employee worked in my facilities management department. He was a nice enough kid, but he just never really wrapped his head around the job. It's not that he didn't have the aptitude for it, he just didn't like the job. It wasn't what he expected.

What he did have an aptitude for was sales. So, we transferred him to sales & marketing and he's flourished...

And the people not smart (as you were) to be born to parents who do not encourage hard work and self-sufficiency...you say, "I've got mine, fuck you."

You can regurgitate that line as many times as you wish, and you'll continue to be wrong. What I'm telling him is that he cannot be my problem...

And in a world filled with plenty as never seen before on our planet...you would have them be without sufficient food and shelter and the other necessities of life?

Your ignorance shines with the light of a thousand suns. I've never said anything of the sort...

And for the people who did not have a military career (some cannot get one)...and who were not able to save "a little chunk"...or who do not have the kinds of talents that result in a successful business (with an HR Director)...you would have them be without sufficient food and shelter and the other necessities of life?

Now you're just an idiot.

I'm supposed to feel bad for the guy who couldn't save money? I don't know how up on military pay you are, but no one gets rich being enlisted in our Armed Forces. It's not like I was swimming in cash. After a 20 year career in the Navy I'd managed to save a whopping $20,000; less than $100 a month, and I started doing that when I was an E-3 making $466 a month. Nowadays I spend that on dinner. But I kept at it and, with few exceptions, I saved money every month.

And I also refuse to accept responsibility for someone who doesn't have the talent to develop a successful business. Truth be told, most people don't. It's hard. You get quite acquainted with every variety of "just add boiling water" noodle meal at the grocery store. It's a commitment which most people simple don't have the stomach for.

And I didn't have an HR Director until I hired my 25th employee, and then she made up the entire HR Department.

You seem to have this stupid notion in your head that says I should be responsible for someone who is of no value to my company and who simply refuses to work. I absolutely reject that. If someone refuses to work for a fair wage then yeah, fuck 'em...

 

[Street Glider]

Nope. Wrong.

Both are retailers, both are brands owned by the same company.

The business model is retail sales.

That's utterly stupid.

That's like saying that a hotel gift shop and Costco are the same business model because they're both retailers.

Only a complete fool would try to make that argument...

There you go again, relying on unverifiable personal anecdotes to bridge the credibility gap that exists in your argument.

Well, at least this time an actual year was given...

What you need to get through your thick skull is that I don't care if you believe me or not. I trust my own experience more than I do anything else, and that's served me pretty damn well.

Cashiers at my local Wal-Mart are going the way of the dodo. I would be really, really hard-pressed to care if you believe that or not...

 

[Street Glider]

Ah, isn't that always how it is with you people?

How convenient...

Far favorable to making up bullshit, but isn't that how it always is with you people.
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How convenient...

 

[Monad Portal]

Well, if you're not stupid, you're pretty fuckin' ignorant...



Simply not true.

I had an employee worked in my facilities management department. He was a nice enough kid, but he just never really wrapped his head around the job. It's not that he didn't have the aptitude for it, he just didn't like the job. It wasn't what he expected.

What he did have an aptitude for was sales. So, we transferred him to sales & marketing and he's flourished...



You can regurgitate that line as many times as you wish, and you'll continue to be wrong. What I'm telling him is that he cannot be my problem...



Your ignorance shines with the light of a thousand suns. I've never said anything of the sort...



Now you're just an idiot.

I'm supposed to feel bad for the guy who couldn't save money? I don't know how up on military pay you are, but no one gets rich being enlisted in our Armed Forces. It's not like I was swimming in cash. After a 20 year career in the Navy I'd managed to save a whopping $20,000; less than $100 a month, and I started doing that when I was an E-3 making $466 a month. Nowadays I spend that on dinner. But I kept at it and, with few exceptions, I saved money every month.

And I also refuse to accept responsibility for someone who doesn't have the talent to develop a successful business. Truth be told, most people don't. It's hard. You get quite acquainted with every variety of "just add boiling water" noodle meal at the grocery store. It's a commitment which most people simple don't have the stomach for.

And I didn't have an HR Director until I hired my 25th employee, and then she made up the entire HR Department.

You seem to have this stupid notion in your head that says I should be responsible for someone who is of no value to my company and who simply refuses to work. I absolutely reject that. If someone refuses to work for a fair wage then yeah, fuck 'em...

a little love for humanity wouldn't be so bad.

What about when libertarians eliminate the need for all humans with robots. Should all humans starve? Or would you be for u.b.i.?

maybe capitalist puritanism is a recipe for dehumanization of the planet. are you for it?

 

[LV426]

That's utterly stupid.

That's like saying that a hotel gift shop and Costco are the same business model because they're both retailers.

Only a complete fool would try to make that argument...

But they ARE both retailers, so the business model doesn't change...it might be scaled bigger, but it's still a retail model and still one that sees high turnover and lower application rates.

 

[Street Glider]

Sounds to me like Walmart automating was less a business choice and more of a necessity since they can't seem to get anyone to work for them.

$15 to be a cashier is more than a fair wage. Let's face it: it ain't fuckin' rocket science.

And, you're right, they can't get people to work for that. But paying people more to do it is a poor business decision. The people who are still cashier's at my local store are going to be out of a job by 2025. That's not conjecture, that's truth. They have already been told that, unless they get their shit together and make themselves otherwise valuable to the company, that they will be replaced by automation.

I saw evidence of the automation takeover three years ago, before Covid reared its ugly head. I walked into a Hardee's in Charlotte, North Carolina and there was one woman working the counter, and three ordering kiosks. She wouldn't even take your order. You had to order through the kiosk and then she put the order together for you.

Keep your head in the sand; I don't care. The effect of Covid is actually minimal, simply because it's not what's keeping people from taking jobs and working for a living...

 

[Street Glider]

But they ARE both retailers, so the business model doesn't change...it might be scaled bigger, but it's still a retail model and still one that sees high turnover and lower application rates.

You're clueless.

When I was a kid on Long Island, my aunt and uncle owned a gift shop in a hotel out in the Hamptons. You know what they're employee turnover rate was?

0%. They didn't have one. They were the only employees.

The business models are so different. Costco still opens if two employees don't show up...

 

[LV426]

What you need to get through your thick skull is that I don't care if you believe me or not.

LMAO! Yeah, heard this same refrain the last 20 years too.

You say something personal that is unverifiable, get called out on it, but then suddenly change your mind and decide it doesn't matter if I believe you?

Seems like me believing you is the only way your argument doesn't fall apart.

So if I choose to not believe you, then what can you argue? Nothing, because you ultimately believe in nothing and have no principles of your own.

I trust my own experience more than I do anything else, and that's served me pretty damn well.

Falling back on personal anecdotes like this is a indication that you cannot make an argument along empirical evidence and facts...your argument hinges on everyone else believing you when you say you experienced something.

I could just go and say, well *I* talked to that same GM and he said you're full of shit. So now which one of us is telling the truth??? Can't be you because there's no argument you can make along empirical lines, is there?

Just "take my word for it".

No...I will not take your word for it...you haven't established that level of trust.

 

[Street Glider]

a little love for humanity wouldn't be so bad.

How far should that go?

How long should I give a fuck about someone who refuses to work? I've got an answer in my head already, I just want to know how long you think it should be...

 

[Monad Portal]

How far should that go?

How long should I give a fuck about someone who refuses to work? I've got an answer in my head already, I just want to know how long you think it should be...

is being displaced by automation a refusal to work?

what if automation comes so fast there literallly are not enough jobs?

can you imagine some kind of adjustment period stipend, or fuck em all, you hope they die?

 

[LV426]

Cashiers at my local Wal-Mart are going the way of the dodo. I would be really, really hard-pressed to care if you believe that or not...

LMAO!

This is really funny.

It's not that Walmart is firing cashiers and replacing them with kiosks...it's that Walmart has a high turnover rate, and the pandemic workforce has changed, and because Walmart can't seem to hire anyone, they instead turn to the kiosks...but not ALL cashiers are gone, as you said, which seems to indicate that your Walmart installing kiosks is because the labor market in your area is not favorable to them. People found better jobs for more pay. So I bet Walmart in your area isn't getting a volume of new applicants.

In fact, I would wager that Walmart in your area isn't getting ANY APPLICANTS.

So they aren't choosing kiosks so much as the labor market is making that choice for them.

That's why "automation" threats are so laughably impotent.

Do you think employers have the leverage in this current labor market? Cuz they don't.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Nothing Street Glider is saying about themselves is true, you know...

It's the old Conservative and BoThSiDErISt habit of inventing personal given circumstances that are unverifiable in order to bridge over the credibility gap that exists in their fundamental beliefs.

Thanks, LV.

I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

Just want to see some answers that make sense.

 

[LV426]

Far favorable to making up bullshit, but isn't that how it always is with you people.

You're the one inventing given circumstances -THAT YOU RFEFUSE TO VERIFY- as a band-aid to cover the gaping flesh wound that is your garbage argument.

Walmart installed those kiosks, but kept the two other cashiers, because that's all they could hire.

The labor market took a look at Walmart and was like, no thanks!

 

[Monad Portal]

LMAO!

This is really funny.

It's not that Walmart is firing cashiers and replacing them with kiosks...it's that Walmart has a high turnover rate, and the pandemic workforce has changed, and because Walmart can't seem to hire anyone, they instead turn to the kiosks...but not ALL cashiers are gone, as you said, which seems to indicate that your Walmart installing kiosks is because the labor market in your area is not favorable to them. People found better jobs for more pay. So I bet Walmart in your area isn't getting a volume of new applicants.

In fact, I would wager that Walmart in your area isn't getting ANY APPLICANTS.

So they aren't choosing kiosks so much as the labor market is making that choice for them.

That's why "automation" threats are so laughably impotent.

Do you think employers have the leverage in this current labor market? Cuz they don't.

And then we have the open borders guy.....

fuck you too buddy.

 

[LV426]

$15 to be a cashier is more than a fair wage.

Yes, it was 10 years ago...but it's not today.

So again, why did Walmart install 8 kiosks but kept 2 cashiers? Because Walmart could only find two cashiers.

No one wants to work for them.

So they're not spitefully replacing workers with robots....they're plugging staffing holes because the pandemic lead to the Great Resignation, and all the shitty businesses like Walmart paid the price.

 

[Street Glider]

LMAO! Yeah, heard this same refrain the last 20 years too.

You say something personal that is unverifiable, get called out on it, but then suddenly change your mind and decide it doesn't matter if I believe you?

Seems like me believing you is the only way your argument doesn't fall apart.

So if I choose to not believe you, then what can you argue? Nothing, because you ultimately believe in nothing and have no principles of your own.




Falling back on personal anecdotes like this is a indication that you cannot make an argument along empirical evidence and facts...your argument hinges on everyone else believing you when you say you experienced something.

I could just go and say, well *I* talked to that same GM and he said you're full of shit. So now which one of us is telling the truth??? Can't be you because there's no argument you can make along empirical lines, is there?

Just "take my word for it".

No...I will not take your word for it...you haven't established that level of trust.

I'm not new at this whole "running a business" thing. I've a history of being successful.

And, no, I don't care if you believe that, so don't flatter yourself by believing otherwise.

One thing I've learned over the last 20 years is that it's best to trust your instincts, because they will rarely lead you astray. My instincts are impacted by past experiences, by what I see and read and hear. I take it all in, assess it, in many cases discuss it with members of my leadership team, and then determine what is and isn't worthwhile for me and my company.

What I know is, locally, Wal-Mart cashiers are scheduled to no longer exist. It's already happening. What I know is that fast food restaurants are also adopting the self-serve kiosk in lieu of actual people to take your order. This has two benefits: One, the customer cannot complain if an order is entered incorrectly and, two, those three kiosks are saving Hardee's from paying three hourly cashiers.

If you want to believe that a Mom & Pop souvenir shop is the same business model as Target or Costco or Sam's Club, hey, have at it. I won't try to convince you otherwise. Believe what you want. I've been believing what I want for 20 years and I have two successful business as a result.

That's all I need to know...