Iran deal

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The American concession that enables Russia to conduct nuclear work with the Islamic Republic, even as Putin threatens to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine, is foreign policy malpractice. It’s hard to argue otherwise. Still, some might say that at least the White House held firm and denied the Russian request for a sanctions “white channel” to trade with Iran. Yes, that was technically taken off the table. However, Russia will effectively get a white channel anyway because the Biden administration would never sanction Iranian entities transacting with Russian businesses once a deal is signed. Indeed, the administration has already surrendered to Iranian nuclear blackmail. Besides, it’s also possible that the U.S. will provide secret guarantees to Iran or even Russia in side letters. Washington struck secret side deals in the last agreement that were never made public. Nothing prevents the White House from doing so again.

Not to be left out, China reportedly is also asking for a special carve-out for Chinese entities previously sanctioned. Russia recently approached Beijing to help finance the war effort in Ukraine. Should Joe Biden agree to any of this, it would be a political collapse of epic proportions.

What makes this all so baffling is the fact that the Iran deal of 2015 was no great achievement in the first place. Tehran did not need to cheat to reach threshold nuclear-weapons capabilities. With key constraints set to sunset, the regime was prepared to wait for a decade while the terms of the deal yielded the regime an industrial-size enrichment program, a near-zero breakout time, an advanced centrifuge-powered clandestine path to a nuclear warhead, long-range ballistic missiles that could threaten America, and access to advanced conventional weaponry to target America’s allies across the Middle East. The estimated $150 billion in sanctions relief granted to Iran enabled it to fund its terrorist proxies to expand the regime’s regional dominance. Worse, those funds increasingly immunized the regime against future Western sanctions.

Former President Donald Trump exited the original deal in 2018. Biden’s team has vowed to restore it. But the “new” deal promises to be far worse than the original. Biden’s chief negotiator in Vienna, Rob Malley, reportedly aims to remove the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps from the State Department’s list of terror groups; the Guard has been responsible for terrorist attacks worldwide. He was reportedly ready to cave on U.S. sanctions against the regime’s top human rights abusers, including the current president, Ebrahim Raisi, who is responsible for murdering thousands of Iranian dissidents in the 1980s. Biden was also prepared to lift sanctions on the office of Khamenei, a human rights abuser himself, along with his multibillion-dollar slush fund.

As our colleague Saeed Ghasseminejad calculated, under the new deal, the Islamic Republic could immediately gain access to a total sanctions relief package of up to $130 billion. And that doesn’t include tens of billions in additional perks as the regime plugs back into international banks and businesses. This is not only an outrage to our regional allies, such as Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, and Israel, which are under constant threat of Iranian missiles and terrorism. I
 
As Ron Paul thinks on this, so do I.

It is NONE of America's business if a country develops nukes or not.
Iran is just trying to protect itself from it's enemy - Israel (who do have nukes and IRBM's to get them to Iran FAST).
And Israel are hardly innocent of running around the Middle East, bombing anything they do not like.
Just ask the Syrians.

I do not much care if North Korea, Iran or anyone else develops nukes.
If NK nuke LA.
They KNOW that we will obliterate their ENTIRE country within the hour.
Thus they never will use them against us.
MAD works.
Always has.

Plus, economic sanctions have NEVER worked.
NEVER.
Has Iran stopped developing nukes?
Has North Korea?
Has Cuba got rid of their Communist masters yet?
After over 50 years of sanctions?
Nope...all were complete failures so far.

ALL they do is punish the poor and give the leaders an excuse for everything sucking in the country...they can (rightly) just blame the US for the 'awful sanctions'.
Sanctions - if anything - strengthen the hold the leaders have on their people...not the opposite.
And they make the poor suffer - thus causing even more anger directed at America.
They do NOTHING good for us.

I am 100% against them.
Including those directed at Russia - for the same reasons.
They will not hurt Putin.
They will help him to blame the West for the 'evil sanctions' that are hurting average Russians.

The main reason America is freaking out about Iranian nukes is because Israel is - once again - wagging the US dog.
And through AIPAC - getting us to do it's bidding for them.
The problem is between Iran and Israel...it is NOTHING to do with America.
 
As Ron Paul thinks on this, so do I.

It is NONE of America's business if a country develops nukes or not.
Iran is just trying to protect itself from it's enemy - Israel (who do have nukes and IRBM's to get them to Iran FAST).
And Israel are hardly innocent of running around the Middle East, bombing anything they do not like.
Just ask the Syrians.

I do not much care if North Korea, Iran or anyone else develops nukes.
MAD works.
Always has.
Always (almost certainly) will.

Plus, economic sanctions have NEVER worked.
NEVER.
Has Iran stopped developing nukes?
Has North Korea?
Has Cuba got rid of their Communist masters yet?
After over 50 years or sanctions?
Nope...all were complete failures so far.

ALL they do is punish the poor and give the leaders an excuse for everything sucking in the country...they can (rightly) just blame the US for the 'awful sanctions'.
Sanctions - if anything - strengthen the hold the leaders have on their people...not the opposite.
And they make the poor suffer - thus causing even more anger directed at America.
They do NOTHING.

I am 100% against them.
Including those directed at Russia - for the same reasons.
They will not hurt Putin.
They will help him to blame the West for the 'evil sanctions' that are hurting average Russians.

The main reason America is freaking out about Iranian nukes is because Israel is - once again - wagging the US dog.
And through AIPAC - getting us to do it's bidding for them.
The problem is between Iran and Israel...it is NOTHING to do with America.
i agree with you in principle.
the problem is Iran is a worldwide state sponsor of state terrorism
It will take the billions to fund it's Quds force and Hezbollah
It has repeatedly claimed it wants to wipe Israel off the face of the earth
If it doesnt actually use them it will uses them to blackmail other nations for it's hegemonic desires

Shia Islam ( and Iran is a Shia state) is an apocalyptic religion
 
As Ron Paul thinks on this, so do I. It is NONE of America's business if a country develops nukes or not. Iran is just trying to protect itself from it's enemy - Israel (who do have nukes and IRBM's to get them to Iran FAST). And Israel are hardly innocent of running around the Middle East, bombing anything they do not like. Just ask the Syrians. I do not much care if North Korea, Iran or anyone else develops nukes. MAD works. Always has. Always (almost certainly) will. Plus, economic sanctions have NEVER worked. NEVER. Has Iran stopped developing nukes? Has North Korea? Has Cuba got rid of their Communist masters yet? After over 50 years of sanctions? Nope...all were complete failures so far. ALL they do is punish the poor and give the leaders an excuse for everything sucking in the country...they can (rightly) just blame the US for the 'awful sanctions'. Sanctions - if anything - strengthen the hold the leaders have on their people...not the opposite. And they make the poor suffer - thus causing even more anger directed at America. They do NOTHING. I am 100% against them. Including those directed at Russia - for the same reasons. They will not hurt Putin. They will help him to blame the West for the 'evil sanctions' that are hurting average Russians. The main reason America is freaking out about Iranian nukes is because Israel is - once again - wagging the US dog. And through AIPAC - getting us to do it's bidding for them. The problem is between Iran and Israel...it is NOTHING to do with America.

I can agree with some, but not all of your post.
 
I can agree with some, but not all of your post.

And I can guess which parts fit into which categories.

All I will say is this.
Show me when US economic sanctions have worked in the last 60 years?
The answer is - never.

And what happens between Israel and Iran is NONE of our business.
The same with what happens between Ukraine and Russia.
And the same between NK and SK.

Ron Paul has ALWAYS been right about these things.
 
And I can guess which parts fit into which categories. All I will say is this. Show me when US economic sanctions have worked in the last 60 years? The answer is - never. And what happens between Israel and Iran is NONE of our business. The same with what happens between Ukraine and Russia. And the same between NK and SK. Ron Paul has ALWAYS been right about these things.

Your guesses aren't accurate.

At all.
 
This is not only an outrage to our regional allies, such as Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, and Israel, which are under constant threat of Iranian missiles and terrorism.


These ' allies ' are terrorist states themselves. Iran is entitled to defend itself from them- and from the US.

Besides, Iran has stated that it neither has, nor wants a nuclear weapons program. This position has been verified by the IAEA. I'll say it again- this position has been verified by the IAEA.

If the US - in the thrall of Israeli fascism- does not quit prodding Iran, as it has done with Russia- then the installation of nukes in Iran by some foreign source ought to shut down the Neo-Zionist squawking for good.
 
The American concession that enables Russia to conduct nuclear work with the Islamic Republic, even as Putin threatens to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine, is foreign policy malpractice. It’s hard to argue otherwise. Still, some might say that at least the White House held firm and denied the Russian request for a sanctions “white channel” to trade with Iran. Yes, that was technically taken off the table. However, Russia will effectively get a white channel anyway because the Biden administration would never sanction Iranian entities transacting with Russian businesses once a deal is signed. Indeed, the administration has already surrendered to Iranian nuclear blackmail. Besides, it’s also possible that the U.S. will provide secret guarantees to Iran or even Russia in side letters. Washington struck secret side deals in the last agreement that were never made public. Nothing prevents the White House from doing so again.

Not to be left out, China reportedly is also asking for a special carve-out for Chinese entities previously sanctioned. Russia recently approached Beijing to help finance the war effort in Ukraine. Should Joe Biden agree to any of this, it would be a political collapse of epic proportions.

What makes this all so baffling is the fact that the Iran deal of 2015 was no great achievement in the first place. Tehran did not need to cheat to reach threshold nuclear-weapons capabilities. With key constraints set to sunset, the regime was prepared to wait for a decade while the terms of the deal yielded the regime an industrial-size enrichment program, a near-zero breakout time, an advanced centrifuge-powered clandestine path to a nuclear warhead, long-range ballistic missiles that could threaten America, and access to advanced conventional weaponry to target America’s allies across the Middle East. The estimated $150 billion in sanctions relief granted to Iran enabled it to fund its terrorist proxies to expand the regime’s regional dominance. Worse, those funds increasingly immunized the regime against future Western sanctions.

Former President Donald Trump exited the original deal in 2018. Biden’s team has vowed to restore it. But the “new” deal promises to be far worse than the original. Biden’s chief negotiator in Vienna, Rob Malley, reportedly aims to remove the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps from the State Department’s list of terror groups; the Guard has been responsible for terrorist attacks worldwide. He was reportedly ready to cave on U.S. sanctions against the regime’s top human rights abusers, including the current president, Ebrahim Raisi, who is responsible for murdering thousands of Iranian dissidents in the 1980s. Biden was also prepared to lift sanctions on the office of Khamenei, a human rights abuser himself, along with his multibillion-dollar slush fund.

As our colleague Saeed Ghasseminejad calculated, under the new deal, the Islamic Republic could immediately gain access to a total sanctions relief package of up to $130 billion. And that doesn’t include tens of billions in additional perks as the regime plugs back into international banks and businesses. This is not only an outrage to our regional allies, such as Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, and Israel, which are under constant threat of Iranian missiles and terrorism. I

saudi arabia is more dangerous to us and world peace than iran. they are the chief benefactors of ISIS and Al Qaeda, and they provide most of their half ass "soldiers." the Iran Deal was a great move, but leave it to dumbfuck trump to fuck it all up out of complete ignorance. whether it should go on now given putin's insanity, that might be a good question.
 
These ' allies ' are terrorist states themselves. Iran is entitled to defend itself from them- and from the US.

Besides, Iran has stated that it neither has, nor wants a nuclear weapons program. This position has been verified by the IAEA. I'll say it again- this position has been verified by the IAEA.

If the US - in the thrall of Israeli fascism- does not quit prodding Iran, as it has done with Russia- then the installation of nukes in Iran by some foreign source ought to shut down the Neo-Zionist squawking for good.

what the fuck is your deal with israel? sure, it is not perfect, but compared to the crazy ass zealots who run the other middle east states, and their shit headed customs and treatment of women? you are a sick puppy.
 
what the fuck is your deal with israel? sure, it is not perfect, but compared to the crazy ass zealots who run the other middle east states, and their shit headed customs and treatment of women? you are a sick puppy.

You see this photo, dumbass?

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The Palestinians , in their own country, demonstrated in front of the Israeli fascists for their freedom from occupation. This is what they got;

'The March of Return was a form of popular resistance involving tens of thousands of Palestinians in besieged Gaza, which lasted for nearly two years. Over 300 Palestinians were killed and thousands more wounded by Israeli snipers during this period.'

Now, you spineless prosemitic parasite- relate something equally horrific committed by another Middle Eastern state. We'll make a competition out of it.
 
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