Anyone noticed how the election lies have evolved?

[Truth Detector]

I have been quite consistent - the big lie is that the democrats want fair elections

you want a rigged playing field.

you want debates to be one sided - even to the point of feeding debate questions to your preferred candidates

you want to jail journalists that leak bad stuff your party does and encourage big tech to censor your opponents

you love the idea of mail in votes that are impossible to vet - even before anyone has been in a debate and articulated their position

you will fight tooth and nail to restrict ballot access when it helps you gain power (just ask the green party about that!)

....and the reason for all this.....their ideology is built on lies and they cannot defend it with any historic facts.

 

[Matt Dillon]

ROFLMAO. Did you drink heavily before you made these unfounded accusations?

I would love to see your evidence where any vote counts for Biden went up well over 2 weeks after election day.
Surely you must have some evidence to back up this claim.
So present it to us so we can all be amazed with the facts you have.

Ballots counted after the election was actually over always came in at the same ratio.

Real election:

Post real election:

That's lookin' shady as can be to me. Why were that many votes deleted?

The bottom line is there's no way a guy with as little enthusiasm as there was for Biden got the most actual votes ever for an American president.

That does not happen, ever.

That means the vote ballots or count totals or both were cheated.

 

[BartenderElite]

Democrats cheat elections. Fact.

Isn't it odd that there would be a huge 6-foot high Obama campaign sign in the middle of a bunch of migrant farm worker shacks?

Why would that be there?

Republicans are the ones sending fake electors. Republicans are the ones registering in multiple states. Republicans are the ones asking election officials to "find" exact #'s of votes needed to win states.

You're wrong on that. ALL of the evidence so far is that the GOP tried to steal the 2020 election - not Dems.

 

[Nordberg]

Democrats cheat elections. Fact.

Isn't it odd that there would be a huge 6-foot high Obama campaign sign in the middle of a bunch of migrant farm worker shacks?

Why would that be there?

Well, present those facts. You are a typical righty believing what you are told without proof.
A campaign sign? That's what you come up with? How is that counted? It is a hundred votes? maybe thousand? Have you any idea how ridiculous that is? Illegals and non-citizens simply cannot vote. Our system prevents it.
Do you vote? Have you noticed each precinct has a logbook showing who is assigned to vote in that precinct? Anyone not in the book cannot vote. Can you understand how it stops over votes too. Once you vote, your name is marked off as voted. Try again and the cops will be called. If you dumped a million fake ballots at a poll, they would not be counted. They have to be in the book. Once a vote is logged in, there cannot be another vote for that person.
Every election gets checked. There is no voting problem. Be honest. You think if Trump said there was cheating, there must have been. Trump lost, so there had to be cheating. There was not.

 

[BartenderElite]

Ballots counted after the election was actually over always came in at the same ratio.

Real election:

Post real election:

That's lookin' shady as can be to me.

Did you watch the Pennsylvania coverage? Everyone who understands voting in that state KNEW Biden was going to win as soon as the mail-in started getting counted. That's why there was a late spike. Those ballots broke huge for Dems, because Dems took COVID seriously.

It's not enough for something to look "shady" from YOUR perspective. You need proof.

 

[BartenderElite]

Campaign signs & crowd sizes. That's what the "Big Lie" proponents are down to.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

No, I'm not. The number in a state to set this up would number in the dozens at most, possibly less. They have all the time they need to do that and can arrange things all year long every year. The harvesters and drop persons amount to seasonal workers like ACORN used for registering voters. That fraudulent scheme went on for years before being exposed. Yes, you'd need hundreds of temps to collect and drop off the ballots but as I said, they need not be privy to the larger scheme. They could think they were just collecting ballots as allowed by law.

ROFLMAO.
OK. what crimes did ACORN commit? When was ACORN convicted of those crimes?
It seems you have drank the koolaid and just keep on drinking it.

The scheme you think could happen with ballots would be almost impossible to commit because the sheer number of ballots required would result in it becoming public knowledge. First of all, you would need to be able to change thousands of votes from one candidate to the other. That would require either specifically targeting voters who would vote for that candidate or would require collecting at least double if not triple the number of ballots in order to have enough to change the outcome of the election. Where this alleged "harvesting" occurs is in heavily democratic areas where the vote is in the 70% or more democratic. The only way for this to be effective would be for almost 100% of the final vote to be for one candidate. This would be show up in votesbeing completely out of whack compared to prior elections. It would be a pretty simple thing to find. Simply compare voting patterns and totals for the last few elections and then compare that area's vote to the election at large. We would see a large shift in voting toward one party that is not reflected in previous elections or the election at large.

 

[Mina]

Anyone notice how ....left NEVER POSTS ABOUT PRES.....'S "ACCOMPLISHMENTS" ?

I've posted repeatedly about President Biden's accomplishments. A few highlights:

In the last 14 months we have added about 33% more jobs than the very best 14-month period in American history before Biden.

2021 had the strongest real GDP growth in almost 40 years.

After 20 years of presidents failing to extricate us from Afghanistan, Biden succeeding in doing so in his first few months in office.

He has helped restore international respect for America.

He is the first president in generations to push through a large infrastructure bill.

He rolled out a successful vaccine plan that made it so when this last winter's surge hit, it didn't shut down the economy the way the prior winter's surge did (and thus Dec 2021 had ongoing strong job creation, unlike the job destruction of December 2020).

He has presided over a decline in the federal deficit.

He negotiated an international minimum tax, to try to prevent large multi-nationals from fleeing to tax havens.

He succeeded in getting the first Black woman in history on the Supreme Court.

He brought a level of gravitas and dignity back to the White House.

Overall, I've been pleasantly surprised.

 

[BartenderElite]

I've posted repeatedly about President Biden's accomplishments. A few highlights:

In the last 14 months we have added about 33% more jobs than the very best 14-month period in American history before Biden.

2021 had the strongest real GDP growth in almost 40 years.

After 20 years of presidents failing to extricate us from Afghanistan, Biden succeeding in doing so in his first few months in office.

He has helped restore international respect for America.

He is the first president in generations to push through a large infrastructure bill.

He rolled out a successful vaccine plan that made it so when this last winter's surge hit, it didn't shut down the economy the way the prior winter's surge did (and thus Dec 2021 had ongoing strong job creation, unlike the job destruction of December 2020).

He has presided over a decline in the federal deficit.

He negotiated an international minimum tax, to try to prevent large multi-nationals from fleeing to tax havens.

He succeeded in getting the first Black woman in history on the Supreme Court.

He brought a level of gravitas and dignity back to the White House.

Overall, I've been pleasantly surprised.

Can you imagine if Trump had this list when he left office?

It would have been the greatest Presidency in the history of the universe - past, present and future. Including future universes.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

There is a small problem with your scheme. Voting records are public. It is easy to compare vote totals to total people that voted or requested ballots. It would be easy to find out if this happened by simply comparing the record of total people who voted with the total votes.

The only fraud I am seeing is your claim about how you think it could be committed.

And the two would match. The people voting in this exist. They just don't know their ballot is being used because they, themselves, aren't voting. Do you really think the homeless are interested in voting? How about some senile, dementia ridden elderly person in a nursing home? Or, those on voter rolls in one state that have moved to another but are still on the voter rolls? There's no cross checking between states.

So, the requested ballots match the total requested. The only thing is the fraud ring was the one filling them out and delivering them. There'd be no way to know that the votes were fraudulent. Eliminating this sort of fraud requires nothing more than voter ID, voting in person, and doing so on an election day, not an election season lasting a month or more. Mail-in ballot elections are a major source of potential fraud. That's why virtually every nation on the planet doesn't allow them. Most have very severe restrictions on absentee voting, and virtually all nations have an election DAY. They don't allow weeks of voting. They know that will lead to more fraud.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

ROFLMAO.
OK. what crimes did ACORN commit? When was ACORN convicted of those crimes?
It seems you have drank the koolaid and just keep on drinking it.

The scheme you think could happen with ballots would be almost impossible to commit because the sheer number of ballots required would result in it becoming public knowledge. First of all, you would need to be able to change thousands of votes from one candidate to the other. That would require either specifically targeting voters who would vote for that candidate or would require collecting at least double if not triple the number of ballots in order to have enough to change the outcome of the election. Where this alleged "harvesting" occurs is in heavily democratic areas where the vote is in the 70% or more democratic. The only way for this to be effective would be for almost 100% of the final vote to be for one candidate. This would be show up in votesbeing completely out of whack compared to prior elections. It would be a pretty simple thing to find. Simply compare voting patterns and totals for the last few elections and then compare that area's vote to the election at large. We would see a large shift in voting toward one party that is not reflected in previous elections or the election at large.

https://ballotpedia.org/ACORN_and_voter_registration_fraud

Below is a sampling of cases in which ACORN or its employees were convicted of crimes related to voter registration.

Between 2009 and 2011, a former field director, a former regional director, and ACORN itself were convicted of conspiracy to commit the crime of compensation for registration of voters in Nevada. It was illegal for registration canvassers to receive compensation based on the number of voters registered. Charges stated that ACORN paid a $5 bonus to canvassers who turned in 21 registration forms.[8][9][10]
In 2009, Latoya Lewis pleaded guilty to repeatedly registering individuals when she worked for ACORN in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.[11]
In 2008, eight former ACORN employees pleaded guilty to registration fraud during a registration drive in St. Louis, Missouri, in 2006.[12]
In 2007, five people in Washington pleaded guilty to registration fraud charges related to work they did as ACORN employees and were sentenced to jail time.[13] ACORN agreed to pay King County $25,000 for investigative costs. The group also signed an agreement to "beef up its training and procedures for detecting and reporting fraud," according to The Seattle Times.[14][15]
In 2007, three former ACORN workers in Kansas City, Missouri, pleaded guilty to charges of voter registration fraud.[16] Claudia Harris, chairperson of Kansas City ACORN, said in a statement released after the former employees were indicted, "When we caught this misconduct, we reporter [sic] it to the authorities. Now we want to see these folks prosecuted to the full extent of the law, because they have defrauded our organization, and, worse, detracted from our mission of ensuring that citizens in our community participate in the democratic process."[17]
In Colorado in January 2005, two people were sentenced to community service for submitting false voter registrations while working for ACORN.[18] ACORN's regional director said after the two were charged, "We find it abhorrent and do everything we can to prevent it from happening."[19]

That's a sample. There's plenty more too.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Ballots counted after the election was actually over always came in at the same ratio.

Real election:

Post real election:

That's lookin' shady as can be to me. Why were that many votes deleted?

The bottom line is there's no way a guy with as little enthusiasm as there was for Biden got the most actual votes ever for an American president.

That does not happen, ever.

That means the vote ballots or count totals or both were cheated.

11/7 is 2 weeks after 11/4? What are you drinking to make you think that? You claimed the counts were changing 2 weeks after the election. Three days is not two weeks.

You might want to check your supposed counts of votes. How did Trump get .73 votes, .91 votes, .43 votes? Your supposed data is suspect because no candidate can get a percentage of an actual vote.
As to "votes deleted", you have provided no evidence of actual votes being deleted. Humans make errors when recording data and then correct that error which results in vote totals being corrected. This results in Biden having 330,000 reported votes being taken away because he was given 331,000 votes when he actually only got 1,000 votes. It isn't evidence of actual votes being taken away or deleted. It is simply a recording error that is being corrected. It happens all the time. But I would throw all the data out that you think proves a conspiracy because your data splits votes into partial votes. No partial votes can possibly occur in any election. Your source is clearly wrong.

I guess the enthusiasm for Biden was more than enough for him to get more votes than Trump because we have certified vote totals showing that to be the case. Your denial of facts is rather telling here. When a fact exists that you don't like, you simply deny that it could have happened without explaining how.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

https://ballotpedia.org/ACORN_and_voter_registration_fraud



That's a sample. There's plenty more too.

It seems you don't know the difference between an employee and an organization. If Republicans are convicted of a crime does that mean the Republican party committed a crime?
In many of the cases you reference, ACORN was required by law to turn all registrations in and did so while flagging those they thought were false.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

It seems you don't know the difference between an employee and an organization. If Republicans are convicted of a crime does that mean the Republican party committed a crime?
In many of the cases you reference, ACORN was required by law to turn all registrations in and did so while flagging those they thought were false.

The organization was dissolved because the practice was widespread across the US within it, and it was obvious that the organization condoned such activity by its payment practices. That's why it disappeared.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

The organization was dissolved because the practice was widespread across the US within it, and it was obvious that the organization condoned such activity by its payment practices. That's why it disappeared.

It disappeared because the GOP attacked it and stripped it of all it's federal funding.