In Biden's first year, economic growth reached a 37-year high

This isn't true. That's because the interest on the debt incurred is compounded while the earnings are not. That means the debt grows while the business tries to keep up with paying it off. Eventually, the debt exceeds earnings and the pyramid scheme fails.

companies need to keep 100% of their creditors happy.......countries only need to keep 51% of their voters happy......and if you create a situation where half the voters don't have to pay for their happiness you create a disaster........
 
You should get your money back. They didn't teach you a thing about finance and economics. Now bullshitting and lying, you're an expert.


Ever stopped to wonder why you've been unable to identify even a single lie from me? It's because I don't lie. You may disagree with my interpretation of things, but I make a real effort to make sure all the facts I report are correct.

Tell me something Mina, what government ever spent their way out of a recession?

The US, for starters.

What government ever spent their way to prosperity?

The US, for starters.
 
Bankruptcy occurs when no one buys your goods or services anymore.

No. Many companies go bankrupt while still selling goods and services. The issue come when you're not making enough money to cover your expenses, and nobody will lend to you.

Tax cuts have NEVER led to lower revenues.

Each of the big recent upper-class tax cuts (Reagan's, Bush's, and Trump's) was followed by a period when revenue growth rates fell precipitously, such that they were no longer anywhere close to keep up with a normal pace of spending growth. Each time, predictably (and as predicted by anyone knowledgeable of economics) that resulted in the growth of enormous deficits.

FACT: we don't have a revenue problem in this nation, we have a SPENDING problem.

That's not a fact. It's an opinion. Here's a fact: our non-military spending in this country has long been some of the lowest of any wealthy nation in the world, as a share of GDP. Currently, every large wealthy nation dedicates more of its GDP to non-military government spending than we do. What you're saying is that in your opinion, our extremely low spending (relative to our international peers) should be made still lower, so that our extremely low taxation is enough to cover it. I think it makes more sense to bring that extremely low taxation up, rather than to cut our already austere budget. But, if we're going to focus on budget cutting, it makes sense not to go after social spending, which is already unusually low in this country, but instead our military budget, which is the highest, relative to GDP, of any wealthy nation other than Israel.

You can thank Democrats for all the federal debt

The deficit fell in real terms under Carter, Clinton, Obama, and Biden. It rose under Reagan, Bush, Bush, and Trump. Coincidence?

The ONLY time we had a balanced budget in the last 40 years was with Republicans in charge during Clinton's presidency

Yet, as you probably know, the sudden decline in deficits started under a Democratic Congress and ended as soon we had a Republican president, notwithstanding a continued Republican Congress. The reason that move to the black coincided perfectly with the Clinton presidency, and not the Republican Congress, is that the Democratic president, not the Republican Congress, is what mattered. When you have a Republican Congress and Republican president, you don't get fiscal conservatism. You get reckless upper-class tax cuts and an orgy of military over-spend. That's why it only took a couple years for Bush and his Republican Congress to turn a record surplus into a record deficit.

Democrats held the purse strings for five decades prior to 1994

For most of that time, debt was falling as a share of GDP. That changed in 1981. What happened in 1981 to drive debt back up as a share of GDP? Well, we elected a Republican imbecile as a president and he was paired with a Republican majority in the Senate. They pushed through reckless tax cuts and military overspend. The catastrophic rise of debt as a share of GDP that followed only reversed after Clinton had become president.

Specifically, between the end of WWII and FY 1981, federal debt fell from 118.9% of GDP to just 31.8% of GDP. But by the end of the Reagan/Bush disaster, it was back up over 60%.

You do know that only Congress can spend right?

Congress controls appropriations, but the president controls the bully pulpit, and in practice that has proven more important. For example, in the Reagan years, Reagan pushed hard for a vast increase in spending on the military, and that's just what we got. In the Clinton years, Clinton pushed for a more circumspect approach to military budgeting, and the military budget fells as a share of GDP.

You'll need that income to pay your share of the National debt then. Right now, your bill is around $162,000

Happy to do so. I just wish more of that had been run up to achieve long-term productivity gains, rather than pissed away in the deserts of the Middle East, or on unnecessary new toys for the generals.
 
Nope. A depression is very high unemployment, low spending etc.
Nope. A depression is a prolonged downturn or stalling of economic activity. By 'prolonged', I mean several years. It has now been several years since the COVID tyranny that was the initial cause of this economic downturn was implemented by Demonkkkrats throughout the States.

We have 3.6% unemployment,
Depends on how one defines 'unemployed'.

11.5 million job openings,
So?

A record 6.4 million jobs created in 2021,
You are ignoring the massive job losses in 2020 due to Demonkkkrat COVID tyranny. Returning a portion of the jobs lost is NOT "creating jobs", dude.

If I took your lawn mower away from you in 2020 and then returned it back to you in 2021, did I give you a new lawn mower?

and the economy grew by 5.7% in 2021, the biggest increase since 1984.
GDP is not the economy, dude.

A recession requires a declining GDP by definition.
No it doesn't.

The last recession was in 2020 and only lasted two months. The 3rd quarter of 2020 saw a record decline in the economy of 31.4%.
Wrong again. The beginning of the current depression that we are in started before the 3rd quarter of 2020.
 
CNN’s Enten: Polling Shows GOP Will Take Huge House Majority –Best Position in over 80 Years
 
What makes you think that?
The prolonged downturn of the economy (since COVID tyranny was implemented by Demonkkkrats in 2020).

A depression is generally described as something like "a major downturn in the business cycle characterized by sharp and sustained declines in economic activity; high rates of unemployment, poverty, and homelessness; increased rates of personal and business bankruptcy; massive declines in stock markets; and great reductions in international trade."
A depression is simply a prolonged downturn or stalling of the economy. By 'prolonged', I mean several years.

There has been no sharp decline in economic activity.
Yes, there has been.

We were down a little in Q1 2022 (after a 2021 that had stronger growth than any year for almost for decades), but current measures suggest Q2 had positive real GDP growth. So, that's neither sharp not sustained decline. There's definitely not high rates of unemployment -- in fact, we're near record-low unemployment. Homelessness declined last year. Poverty rates are below historical averages. Last year, bankruptcies fell 24%. The stock market is down a bit, but it was up the prior year, such that there's been a positive rate of total return on stocks since Biden took office, and both imports and exports are up.
GDP is not the economy.

It appears none of the traditional measures of depressions are currently applicable. So, which definition are you using?
See above.
 
Bankruptcy occurs when you can no longer afford your debt payments. Your debt can grow indefinitely without that happening, so long as your income grows as fast or faster.
You can't operate a successful business by losing money each year, dude.

It definitely can.
No, it cannot. The SODC government will eventually undergo either a debt crash or a cash crash.

When is the last time the US didn't have any public debt?
1835-1836.

No, but the concept works similarly in this context. Check out the US's finances between the end of WWII and Ronald Reagan's unbelievably stupid upper-class tax cuts, as an example.

In 1946, gross federal debt was 118.9% of GDP. By 1981, it was just 31.8% of GDP. In all those years, we only ran surpluses 8 times, and the net of our surpluses and deficits was -766.984 billion. So, with us running huge net deficits, how is it that debt became dramatically less problematic?

That's easy. Although, on average, we ran deficits, the deficits weren't growing as fast as GDP. So, gradually we were growing our way towards debt being a smaller and smaller issue for the country, in relative terms. By 1981, the debt burden was practically an afterthought. That only changed with Reagan's fiscally suicidal tax cuts, which reversed the process and led to ever growing relative levels of debt.

That's the point, though. A country or a company could theoretically run deficits forever. As long as the overall economy (in the case of the country) or the revenues (in the case of the business) are growing faster than those deficits, the tendency will be for the debt levels to fall relative of the ability of the country/company to pay.

And it's the same with individuals. My debt level can rise every year I'm alive without me ever going bankrupt, as long as my income is rising faster. If, as a freshly minted graduate, I've got an income of $50k and $150k of debt, that's more of a problem than if, 30 years later, I have an income of $250k and $200k of debt. My debt may have risen over that time, but my ability to pay it will have risen a whole lot more, making it a smaller relative burden.
You've now gone off on a whole different tangent here.

We weren't discussing a business deciding to hold a bit of debt. We were discussing a business continually operating at a loss. While a business can always hold some level of debt if it wishes to, it cannot continually operate at a loss without being subsidized somehow, otherwise it goes bankrupt, and that's the whole point of this discussion that you've now tried to divert away from.

I have a plenty.
I don't believe you.

Do yo have any?
Yes.
 
In that case CNN's selective polling is much like Faux polling at polling in the gutter with foreign enemies and the enemy from within. The GOP has already declared war on America and humanity, which hopefully requires a certain extraordinary reaction in compliance with U.S. Constitutional law and possibly the War Power Act:

One year later: The GOP is Still at War against Democracy. Needed: A New Center-right Party
https://www.insidernj.com/one-year-later-gop-still-war-against-democracy/

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A company can, of course, continue to grow debt indefinitely. Do the math yourself, if you don't believe me.
Not when it is continually operating at a loss, which is what this discussion is about.

Imagine a super simple business model, where you can borrow money at X% and earn X+1% on it. How long can you continue to do that before you go bankrupt? The answer, of course, is you'll never go bankrupt. Your earnings will outpace your debt growth indefinitely.

In the business world, it's generally understood that businesses should keep some level of debt.... and that the optimal debt level is proportional to the size of the business. So, as long as your company is growing, it's generally understood that your debt level can and should grow with your company.
Again, you've lost context (on purpose?) ... This discussion is about a company CONTINUALLY OPERATING AT A LOSS. --- That results in an ever increasing liability. That is not a sustainable business model.
 
lame fuck....we're talking about operating in the red, not just carrying a debt.......
Bingo.

Mina, being the dishonest political operative that she is, decided to move the goalposts instead of admitting that she was wrong. Too bad that an astute person such as yourself did not follow her down that rabbit hole nor let her get away with it.
 
He's already done so.
That's in and of itself a lie.
You clearly don't know what a fact is.

Mina is a dishonest, uneducated hack. Even when you clearly point out the lies, her predictable response is "nuh uh"

From now on, I will just point out the lies and not attempt coherent honest debate because she has illustrated she is incapable of doing that.
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