This is why they went from electric cars to the internal combustion engine in the first place. It don't matter if it's gas or electric, torque is costly. Which is cheaper?
The End For Electric Cars? VW Develops New Hydrogen Tech: 2,000 Km On A Single Tank
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This is why they went from electric cars to the internal combustion engine in the first place. It don't matter if it's gas or electric, torque is costly. Which is cheaper?
PostmodernProphet
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the electric vehicles that are "widely popular" are golf carts.......
Joe Capitalist
Racism is a disease
My God you are delusional and not worth debating with your inane extremist beliefs.
That's funny. The next post after you posted an anecdote about Norway.
Engine braking doesn't put gas back in the tank while regenerative braking does provide recharging of batteries.
EV's are currently over 5% of sales and the numbers are almost double last quarter from a year ago.
https://joinyaa.com/guides/electric-vehicle-market-share-and-sales/
https://www.automotive-fleet.com/10176777/ev-sales-hit-record-high-in-q2-2022
Joe Capitalist
Racism is a disease
You can't debate a MAGA moron who swallows everything he reads from the far right wing bubble.
You are still trying to convince us that Trump is the best thing to ever happen to the US ever since you made that questionable decision.
evince
Truthmatters
That is some trash site
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
https://www.motorbiscuit.com/the-tesla-model-x-is-the-worst-electric-car-you-should-never-buy/
https://news.yahoo.com/tesla-makes-least-reliable-cars-133500819.html
https://www.usatoday.com/story/mone...-iqs-tesla-electric-vehicles-2020/3249943001/
It is you that is delusional with extremist beliefs. Tesla sucks. Most battery cars are grossly overpriced for what you get. The Ford F150 Lightning is now $100,000 and up to purchase. How stupid does somebody have to be to want buy a pick up that costs double what an equivalent ICE one does?
T. A. Gardner
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That wasn't ancedote. That was from the official Norwegian government site on EV's.
The amount of power recovered is miniscule in EV's.
Joe Capitalist
Racism is a disease
Then why are people buying tons of EVs? Looks like YOU are the delusional one.
Q2 2022 Electric Vehicle Market Share and Sales
It’s been yet another record quarter for electric vehicle sales. As automaker stats trickle in, here are some notable numbers announced so far:
Tesla’s EV market share in the U.S. is 66% in Q2 2022.
Fully-electric vehicles had 5.6% market share in Q2 2022, a new record.
196,788 fully-electric vehicles (BEVs) were sold in Q2 2022, a 13% increase from Q1 2022.
Ford sold 2,296 F-150 Lightning electric trucks. The Lightning is one of several EVs currently under recalls, but benefits from over-the-air update capability.
Hyundai and Kia continue to rise with over 7,000 sales of both the IONIQ 5 and EV6 in the quarter.
Electrified powertrains continue to see rapid growth. By the fourth quarter of 2021, electrified vehicles made up 11.5% of new light-duty vehicle sales.
Q2 2022: Tesla Continues to Dominate Sales
As the chip crisis continues, legacy automakers have been hit the hardest. Tesla’s vertically-integrated manufacturing and supply chain strategy has proven to be a major strength. Despite numerous new entrants into the electric vehicle market, Tesla retains a 66% market share among fully-electric sales in the United States
EV Sales Hit Record High in Q2 2022
New vehicle sales in the second quarter struggled, up only modestly from the first quarter and down more than 20% from Q2 2021, Cox Automotive recently reported. There were a few positive notes in the Q2 sales numbers, though, and among them, EV sales stood out. Sales of battery-powered electric vehicles – pure EVs – jumped to 196,788, representing a record high and a 13% increase from Q1.
And the amount of gas recovered is negative when engine braking since the plugs are still firing. So the two aren't at all comparable.
I am pretty sure you are on the wrong thread with your response. Taking TDS lessons from Mr. Tiny Penis?
I am agreeing with you that people that make questionable decisions try to convince others it was a great choice. But you failed to add that then when shown their choice was bad, they continue to deny it was and call other people names.
No, you are reverting to the playbook of so many other alt leftie malcontents on this forum. Sorry about your constant TDS. Take a break, go for a long walk, and try to think up a bunch of anti-DeSantis shit. You can be among those newly infected with DDS.
cancel2 2022
Canceled
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Lithium powered EVs will be a legacy technology before too long.
The New Hydrogen Car that Travels 2,000 Kilometers with a Single Tank
Volkswagen is working on a new fuel cell that is much cheaper than the current ones and promises hydrogen cars that can travel 2,000 kilometers on a single tank.
Volkswagen has just applied for the registration of a patent for a new hydrogen fuel cell that, in addition to being cheaper than the current ones , will be able, according to its creators, to give cars a range of up to 2,000 kilometers without refueling.
This news represents a turn in the position that Volkswagen usually shows regarding hydrogen. Like Elon Musk does every time he has the opportunity, the German manufacturer’s CEO, Herbert Diess, denied the potential of hydrogen as a power source for electric cars in a tweet published in May 2022.
Herbert Diess, CEO, said:
"It has been shown that the hydrogen car is not the solution to climate problem. In transport, electrification has taken over. Fake debates are a waste of time. Please listen to the science.”
The patent application for this new fuel cell, carried out together with the German company Kraftwerk Tubes, shows that Volkswagen does not want to lose the hydrogen train and works outside the public eye in the development of this technology.
How does it work
The huge batteries of electric cars are accumulators of electricity that is released according to the needs of the vehicle. Hydrogen fuel cells, by contrast, are capable of generating their own electricity.
For this they need a high-pressure tank that stores the hydrogen in gas form —if it were liquid it would need to be stored at very low temperatures— and a fuel cell that converts hydrogen into electricity.
Fuel cells also have an anode and a cathode like batteries. Hydrogen enters through the anode and passes through an electrolyte membrane which is responsible for dividing hydrogen (H2) into a proton (H+) and an electron (e-). An electrolyte then causes them to take different paths to the cathode.
The electrons go through an external circuit creating a flow of electricity—which is what makes the car’s engine work—while the protons pass through the electrolyte to the cathode. There they unite with oxygen, which enters directly to the cathode, and with the electron, producing water and heat. However, Volkswagen and Kraftwerk’s fuel cell puts a spin on materials traditionally used for membranes.
“The big advantage of our solution is that it can be produced much cheaper than polymer fuel cells and it does not require any type of platinum, a precious metal that makes the final cost of the product more expensive."
This technology, Kühn says, resembles solid-state batteries. According to the executive, both have almost the same electrolytes and a similar material structure. The difference is that, while solid-state batteries use a compact material to store energy, in fuel cells that role is assumed by hydrogen in gas form.
Lower energy cost, more autonomy
In addition, the new ceramic membrane, says Kühn, does not need to be moistened, so it does not freeze in winter, dry out in summer, or attract mold. The manager also points to another advantage that will save costs in the manufacture of vehicles: the fuel cell generates heat that can be used both to replace the car’s heating and air conditioning, which would also mean greater energy savings.
Although this patent has been requested together with Volkswagen, Kraftwerk assures that it does not work exclusively for a brand:
“Regardless of the manufacturer, our goal is for our technology to be launched in a series vehicle by 2026. We are talking about series of about 10,000 vehicles, spread over several car manufacturers,” says the CEO of Kraftwerk.
” Lithium is definitely not a way forward. Solid-state battery would be an option, but it’s not there yet,” explains Kühn, who sees his technology as an alternative for drivers who don’t have a suitable charging option at home or do not want to waste their time at charging stations. According to the executive, with his system “we can travel up to 2,000 kilometers with a single tank of fuel.”
https://hydrogen-central.com/new-hydrogen-car-travels-2000-kilometers-single-tank/
Lithium powered EVs will be a legacy technology before too long.
The New Hydrogen Car that Travels 2,000 Kilometers with a Single Tank
Volkswagen is working on a new fuel cell that is much cheaper than the current ones and promises hydrogen cars that can travel 2,000 kilometers on a single tank.
Volkswagen has just applied for the registration of a patent for a new hydrogen fuel cell that, in addition to being cheaper than the current ones , will be able, according to its creators, to give cars a range of up to 2,000 kilometers without refueling.
This news represents a turn in the position that Volkswagen usually shows regarding hydrogen. Like Elon Musk does every time he has the opportunity, the German manufacturer’s CEO, Herbert Diess, denied the potential of hydrogen as a power source for electric cars in a tweet published in May 2022.
Herbert Diess, CEO, said:
"It has been shown that the hydrogen car is not the solution to climate problem. In transport, electrification has taken over. Fake debates are a waste of time. Please listen to the science.”
The patent application for this new fuel cell, carried out together with the German company Kraftwerk Tubes, shows that Volkswagen does not want to lose the hydrogen train and works outside the public eye in the development of this technology.
How does it work
The huge batteries of electric cars are accumulators of electricity that is released according to the needs of the vehicle. Hydrogen fuel cells, by contrast, are capable of generating their own electricity.
For this they need a high-pressure tank that stores the hydrogen in gas form —if it were liquid it would need to be stored at very low temperatures— and a fuel cell that converts hydrogen into electricity.
Fuel cells also have an anode and a cathode like batteries. Hydrogen enters through the anode and passes through an electrolyte membrane which is responsible for dividing hydrogen (H2) into a proton (H+) and an electron (e-). An electrolyte then causes them to take different paths to the cathode.
The electrons go through an external circuit creating a flow of electricity—which is what makes the car’s engine work—while the protons pass through the electrolyte to the cathode. There they unite with oxygen, which enters directly to the cathode, and with the electron, producing water and heat. However, Volkswagen and Kraftwerk’s fuel cell puts a spin on materials traditionally used for membranes.
“The big advantage of our solution is that it can be produced much cheaper than polymer fuel cells and it does not require any type of platinum, a precious metal that makes the final cost of the product more expensive."
This technology, Kühn says, resembles solid-state batteries. According to the executive, both have almost the same electrolytes and a similar material structure. The difference is that, while solid-state batteries use a compact material to store energy, in fuel cells that role is assumed by hydrogen in gas form.
Lower energy cost, more autonomy
In addition, the new ceramic membrane, says Kühn, does not need to be moistened, so it does not freeze in winter, dry out in summer, or attract mold. The manager also points to another advantage that will save costs in the manufacture of vehicles: the fuel cell generates heat that can be used both to replace the car’s heating and air conditioning, which would also mean greater energy savings.
Although this patent has been requested together with Volkswagen, Kraftwerk assures that it does not work exclusively for a brand:
“Regardless of the manufacturer, our goal is for our technology to be launched in a series vehicle by 2026. We are talking about series of about 10,000 vehicles, spread over several car manufacturers,” says the CEO of Kraftwerk.
” Lithium is definitely not a way forward. Solid-state battery would be an option, but it’s not there yet,” explains Kühn, who sees his technology as an alternative for drivers who don’t have a suitable charging option at home or do not want to waste their time at charging stations. According to the executive, with his system “we can travel up to 2,000 kilometers with a single tank of fuel.”
https://hydrogen-central.com/new-hydrogen-car-travels-2000-kilometers-single-tank/
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PostmodernProphet
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this......
It recaptures 70% of the energy lost to breaking. If you are on an empty highway, that is nothing, but if you are in stop and start city traffic, that is a 50% more efficient car, WHICH IS HUGE. It starts making the city driving number much closer to the highway driving number.
Add into that that regenerative breaks do not wear out, and they seem like a good deal.