SmarterthanYou
rebel
people would simply buy different semi auto weapons............ones even more powerful than the AR..........so how does that solve anything?
As she demonstrates with a smile
- Thread starter AProudLefty
- Start date
people would simply buy different semi auto weapons............ones even more powerful than the AR..........so how does that solve anything?
Yakuda
Verified User
The problem with all things. If you dont follow protocol what's the point?
Well I do not know. It just seems like there is no solution right now in America.
Well the point is to make it more difficult.
It's like asking what's the point to restricting beer and ciggys to young kids because they'll just get them elsewhere anyway.
Yakuda
Verified User
The point is if the person at the counter doesn't check IDs all the laws won't matter. Passing another checking IDs won't make a difference
Well that's true and that's the reason for the background check. Kids under a certain age in some states cannot enter bars or purchase alcohol and ciggys without IDs.
Yakuda
Verified User
Right but if I own a gun shop and dont request a background check it's not a failure of the system. The real issue is the mental health problem as stated earlier. We have people who thinks it's ok to kill people for any number of reasons. As far as I can tell there is only one, imminent danger to life.
Sighs we'll never find a solution, will we?
Remember Charles Whitman? He had a tumor in his brain. Who could have predicted that?
SmarterthanYou
rebel
making it more difficult doesn't work. That's been proven. So, people have a choice. Either allow people to use their freedom to defend themselves, or start denying freedom for all and exact ultimate punishments on those that don't abide.
take your pick.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
charles whitman did, in fact, try to tell people he had a tumor. nobody listened.
Really? I didn't know that.
I mean making it more difficult to purchase AR-15s in gun stores. It's the same thing as selling beer and ciggys in stores.
Of course they will find another avenue but it's more dangerous and expensive.
Yakuda
Verified User
Well I think in part it depends on what you mean by "solution".
Thats the Texas tower guy right? No can predict it and no law could have prevented it.
Yes. See post #30. If he's correct, that changes it.
Yakuda
Verified User
I'm not really sure someone telling me they have tumor translates directly into, they are going to kill people. I'm not sure there is a direct correlation let alone my seeing one. If there is then that should DEFINITELY be a question on every form.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
and like i said earlier, there are many more semi auto weapons that are even more powerful than the AR that will become the newest most popular rifle..............the nature of the beast
Yes I understand what you are saying. If he kept telling people he had a tumor, more than likely he told him about his thoughts. They probably brushed it off as a morbid joke.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman
Investigating officers found that Whitman had visited several UT Austin physicians in the year before the shootings; they prescribed various medications for him. Whitman had seen a minimum of five doctors between the fall and winter of 1965 before he visited a psychiatrist from whom he received no prescription. At some other time he was prescribed Valium by Jan Cochrum, who recommended he visit the campus psychiatrist.[54]
Whitman met with Maurice Dean Heatly, the staff psychiatrist at the University of Texas Health Center, on March 29, 1966.[55] He referred to his visit with Heatly in his final suicide note, writing: "I talked with a Doctor once for about two hours and tried to convey to him my fears that I felt come [sic] overwhelming violent impulses. After one visit, I never saw the Doctor again, and since then have been fighting my mental turmoil alone, and seemingly to no avail."[43]
Heatly's notes on the visit said, "This massive, muscular youth seemed to be oozing with hostility [...] that something seemed to be happening to him and that he didn't seem to be himself."[56] "He readily admits having overwhelming periods of hostility with a very minimum of provocation. Repeated inquiries attempting to analyze his exact experiences were not too successful with the exception of his vivid reference to 'thinking about going up on the tower with a deer rifle and start shooting people.'"[57]
Autopsy
Although Whitman had been prescribed drugs and was in possession of Dexedrine at the time of his death, the toxicology was delayed because Whitman had been embalmed on August 1, after his body was brought to the Cook Funeral Home in Austin. However, an autopsy had been requested in the suicide notes left by Whitman and was then approved by his father.[58]
On August 2, an autopsy was conducted by Coleman de Chenar (a neuropathologist at Austin State Hospital) at the funeral home. Urine and blood were removed to test for traces of amphetamines or other substances.[59][60] During the autopsy, Chenar discovered a "pecan-sized" brain tumor,[61] which he labeled an astrocytoma and which exhibited a small amount of necrosis. These findings were later revised by the Connally Commission: "It is the opinion of the task force that the relationship between the brain tumor and Charles J. Whitman's actions on the last day of his life cannot be established with clarity."[62]
Yeah I know what you said. Like what guns? And why are AR-15s popular choice for mass murderers?
Yakuda
Verified User
Or that he has a tumor.