What is the practical difference, Hormuz is blocked either way.

Taichiliberal said:
Pay attention:

1. Iran never posed any type of military threat to America.
2. Prior to attacking Iran at the behest of Israel, the Strait of Hormuz functioned for all global transport without problems.
3. The current administration did not properly plan this attack. As it was common sense that Iran would control the Strait.
4. Iran merely enacted a toll for safe transport of countries not associated with Iran or Israel.
5. Trump's attack screwed up vital economic trafficking that affects commerce on various ... we are only feeling the 1st wave. He caused an international problem that resulted in transit blickages. now he stupidly thinks a blockade will work.
7. To date, no Israeli soldier has died in this debacle.
8. Iran has not had nuke weapon capability for over 25 years. Obama had inspectors in Iran ... Trump threw that away. Netanyahu and Trump bragged afew months ago that Iran's nuke manufacturing was destroyed, so the current mantras to justify this war are lies.
Click to expand...

Too much reality for the average American to absorb, I fear.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
The US is only interested in ships that are paying the ransom to Iran and in collusion with Iran to get passage through the strait. Observation of ships on maritime tracking sites seems to indicate that only Chinese vessels are doing this, and likely aren't having to pay the ransom.

Iran has indicated that they will let ships from countries allied or friendly to them pass going on the Iranian side of the strait in their waters. All others must pay the ransom or risk potential attack.

It is not so much blocked as it is threatened by Iran. The potential risk is Iran will attack a ship transiting without their explicit approval.
Click to expand...
No or very few ships getting through at all.
 
tsuke11 said:
Iran is allied to China which makes them a threat enough. If for some reason they did attack Taiwan Iran would have done the same things they do now. We would have had to take them out sooner or later. Better now than when China is ready.

If you agree with Iran that this is one entire battlefield with multiple fronts that need to have a ceasefire togehter then the Israelis have lost ground forces in Lebanon vs Hezbollah. I do agree that the Israeli airforce has performed better than the US airforce. It needs to be studied why they have taken 0 casualties against the same targets. I dont think the US is capable of hitting 170 targets within a 10 minute band either.

I agree with you that a simple blockade wouldnt work. It needs to come with conjunction of attacks in infrastructure as well.

SInce you bring up number 8 I assume you were not politically active in 2015. I urge you to look at the response of Republicans to JCPOA at that point and a speech made by Rubio as well as the reason the treaty never made it to the senate for ratification. The GOP has always stated that they had a problem with nuclear AND missiles AND proxies.
Click to expand...
1. Doing business with someone does not make them a military ally, as we do business with Arab, Muslim and authoritarian countries. Your insane "what if" scenario smacks of military paranoia and imperialism. Better you do some homework on our history with Iran to truly grasp what's going on.
2. Hezbollah didn't exist until Israel first attacked Lebanon. Look it up. Then note; Israel lies about nuke capability in Iran and gets America to do its dirty work, then do air strikes on unrelated countries. Nothing to "study", as it's clear who's bitch America is as Netanyahu and company live out their zionist fantasy.
3. So you're advocating to start WW3? For Israel? Hell, if you or your family and friends want that, sign up. But don't condemn others to fulfill a zionist/American imperislist wet dream.
4. Spare me the regurgitation of neocon/teabagger justification and condescending guff. Bottom line; no one said the deal was perfect, but it was a hell of a lot better than what the GOP offered ... which was NOTHING but the SOS of total capitulation from the Iranians, which lead us to the current fiasco. Now Dump and company are essentially trying to push a deal similar to the one Obama had ... which took 2 years to get. Netanyahu doesn't want that. And here we are.
 
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said:
Too much reality for the average American to absorb, I fear.
Click to expand...
Mind you. I have no love or respect for the theocratic thuggery of the current Iranian regime. But that does NOT justify America's current actions at the behest if Israel or our attempts to control yhe world economy based on the dollar. If more Americans understood the history we have with Iran, there would be far less support for this debacle.
 
Jarod said:
How many have you seen get through?
Click to expand...
Dozens of mostly Chinese owned ones. The Iranians aren't stopping those because China is their buddy. I've seen several Vietnamese ones go through too. What I am also seeing is that tanker traffic is rerouting to the Red Sea and going to ports there to load from a Saudi pipeline. The Iranians in the long run are just changing how ships will load oil, and cutting out Iran having any ability to threaten them.

That's the eventual outcome here. The strait of Hormuz will become irrelevant and Iran will too.
 
Grokmaster said:
What a fucking moron.
Click to expand...

Jarod how can you not recognize that 'double closed' means the US wins?


aozz7n.jpg
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Dozens of mostly Chinese owned ones. The Iranians aren't stopping those because China is their buddy. I've seen several Vietnamese ones go through too. What I am also seeing is that tanker traffic is rerouting to the Red Sea and going to ports there to load from a Saudi pipeline. The Iranians in the long run are just changing how ships will load oil, and cutting out Iran having any ability to threaten them.

That's the eventual outcome here. The strait of Hormuz will become irrelevant and Iran will too.
Click to expand...
it would take years and cause immense inflation world wide in that time as bypass routes to Hormuz could be built and then Iran and its proxies could just switch to hitting the Bab al Manded Strait and strategic pipelines with the ever improving drones.

There simply is no way to prevent this type of leverage that Iran and its allies have if they are willing to go scorched earth, in a fight for their very survival unless the world is willing to entirely live without most of the ME oil and the consequences that will have.

That is why China has been building out their Green Energy infrastructure which has already paid them huge strategic dividends in this current war cutting their reliance on ME oil way down from what it would have been without it.

China realizes those who rely too heavily on oil will always have massive exposure to blockade and others of indirect warfare.
 
Teflon Don said:
Many? Do you believe these many? Or do you just want to believe these many because you hope so much that Trump fails?

How can Iran stop the US militarily? They have been depleted.

Remember when you said we would be putting boots on the ground? Was that many too?

At what point do you feel shame for being so wrong?
Click to expand...
Trump says they are depleted. That is not the same thing as being depleted. Iran has been using drones and rockets after Trump said they had none.
 
archives said:
Both countries are controlling it, the US isn’t going to let any ship with Iranian oil pass and Iran isn’t going to let any oil that isn’t Iranian oil pass. Technically, it is just a stalemate, Iran loses revenue selling oil and the world economy loses by raising the cost of oil
Click to expand...
It is good for our domestic oil industry.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top