You are a boring moron.
US inches closer to change in how presidential elections are counted
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Great job explaining yourself. Brilliant. I'll show you how to back up your claims. I'm going to do something you've never done and can't do. I happen to enjoy educating libtards on this subject and I don't need any article to do it. Thanks for the opportunity.
Morons like you slap up pre-approved click-bait and act like you've just crushed the debate. The second someone questions a claim in your garbage, you're finished. Insult and run is all you've got.
Here's what it's all about since you couldn't tell us, I will.
The party of slavery and racism has spent decades carving insane wormlike district maps based purely on melanin levels. That's not opinion, that's exactly what they've done while bragging about it out loud. They even gave it a name: 'maximizing minority districts.'
The libtards cranked racial gerrymandering into overdrive after 2010. What was special about that year? That was two years after an unqualified community organizer pretending to be a moderate became president and spent almost two years shoving the very unpopular Obamacare down everyone's throat with zero Republican votes.
How do I know the voters were upset? They spoke loudly on election day 2010, libtards got slaughtered, in a truly devastating example of the voters speaking their minds at the ballot box. Libtards lost 64 House seats and 6 in the Senate. You don't even want to know how many governors and state seats they lost. Oh, what the hell, libtards lost 6 governors and 680 state seats, lol. With a black president who'd just torched their majorities, they bet out of pity alone, activist judges would shield their racist maps and went to work like busy little beavers.
As usual they lie through their teeth about the 1965 Voting Rights Act. It never created racial quotas for districts or anything else close. Libtards bullshit take on what it says directly violates the 14th Amendment, plain English even a drone like Humel should manage. This is why no libtard can defend their pathetic whining and the absolute fit the losers they support are throwing.
Libtards like Humel don't know shit, they're just programmed drones. That's why they crumble the instant anyone pushes back. SCOTUS had no choice but to rule that drawing maps based on race is racist, full stop. Libtards being racist themselves, they can't even smell their own stink after wallowing in it so long.
That's me making the case with facts I can defend, not copy-pasting what some hack thinks. Try me. None of them will, they have no argument at all. One closing thought, I'm starting to feel another 2010 again. Nobody called it back then either. I can't ignore how absolutely crazy you idiots are these days. You better remember this 'high' you're on thinking Trump's approval numbers means shit right now, you'll need that memory to hold on to.
Grim Reaper
Chief Exit Officer (CEO)
every time you unload one of these mile‑long rants, all you really prove is that volume is the only thing you’ve ever mistaken for evidence. You call it educating, but it reads like someone frantically trying to bury the fact they don’t actually understand the history they’re screaming about. You keep bragging about making a case, but all you’ve done is stack buzzwords on top of recycled fury and hope nobody notices there’s nothing underneath. The only pattern here is you melting down the moment someone doesn’t play along with your script.
Grim Reaper
Chief Exit Officer (CEO)
FACT CHECK (with sources)
1. “Illegals are counted to rig districts.”
This is false. The U.S. Constitution requires all residents — citizens and non‑citizens — to be counted in the Census for apportionment.Source: U.S. Constitution, 14th Amendment; U.S. Census Bureau.This rule has existed for over 150 years and is not a partisan invention.
2. “Democrats opened the border to ship migrants into swing districts.”
There is no evidence of any such program. Migrants are processed by DHS and released or detained based on federal law, not partisan strategy. Source: DHS, Congressional Research Service.3. “SCOTUS ended racist maps and nearly every map is unconstitutional.”
Incorrect.SCOTUS rulings on racial gerrymandering are case‑specific, not universal.Many maps remain valid; others are under litigation.Source: SCOTUS decisions Allen v. Milligan (2023), Cooper v. Harris (2017).4. “Democrats will lose 50–100 seats in 2030.”
This is pure speculation. I cannot project or predict election outcomes.5. “Trump kept all his promises and outsmarted everyone.”
This is opinion, not fact. Different analyses disagree sharply depending on the source.6. “People are fleeing blue states en masse.”
Population shifts are real but mixed:- Some blue states lost population
- Some red states lost population
- Some blue states gained population Source: U.S. Census Bureau 2023–2024 migration data.
7. “Democrats have screwed up everything they touched.”
This is rhetoric, not evidence.
I'm not the one thinking he can get an amendment passed by states to disenfranchise those very states.
I think you would be stupid enough to vote to strip away your right to vote. But most people are smarter than you, Hugo.
AND you still didn't answer - why did California not give their EC votes to Donald Trump in 2024? You Stalinists are honorless scum - when an American won the popular vote - you suddenly forgot all about the "popular vote pledge."
You Marxists lust for power and will do anything to get it.
Grim Reaper
Chief Exit Officer (CEO)
1. “An amendment to disenfranchise states”
No such amendment exists.To change how states allocate electors, you would need:
- A constitutional amendment (⅔ Congress + ¾ states), or
- A state‑level compact like the NPVIC
Sources:
- U.S. Constitution, Article V
- Congressional Research Service (CRS), “Amending the Constitution”
2. “Why didn’t California give its EC votes to Trump in 2024?”
This refers to the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact (NPVIC).Here are the facts:
The compact only activates when states totaling 270+ electoral votes join.
As of 2024, the compact had not reached 270.Therefore:
- The compact was not active
- Member states were legally required to award electors under their normal state laws
- California followed its standard rule: winner of the statewide popular vote gets all electors
Sources:
- National Popular Vote Interstate Compact text
- National Conference of State Legislatures (NCSL)
- California Elections Code §6902
3. “They forgot about the popular vote pledge.”
Incorrect.The NPVIC is conditional, not a blanket pledge.
It activates only when:
Since that threshold was not reached, the compact was not in force in 2024.
California did not “forget” anything. The compact simply wasn’t active.
4. “You Marxists lust for power…”
This is rhetorical, not factual. There is no evidence that any political faction attempted to:- Override the Constitution
- Force states to violate their own election laws
- Apply the NPVIC when it was not legally active
5. Summary Table
| Claim | Verdict | Evidence |
|---|---|---|
| Amendment to disenfranchise states | False | No such amendment exists |
| California violated a pledge in 2024 | False | Compact was not active |
| NPVIC requires CA to give votes to national popular vote winner | False | Only after 270 EV threshold |
| Democrats/Marxists/Stalinists manipulated EC rules | No evidence | EC followed standard constitutional procedure |
Nothing about an amendment. You are stupid.
i dont read your junk
Awesome, you're moron and a sick freak. You just save me the time reminding you. Please keep 'not reading any of my comments'. Of course, you must have read that one, lol.
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exactly freak
You like writing long posts with very little content. It is boring.
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
1. “Illegals are counted to rig districts.”
This is false. The U.S. Constitution requires all residents — citizens and non‑citizens — to be counted in the Census for apportionment.Source: U.S. Constitution, 14th Amendment; U.S. Census Bureau.
This rule has existed for over 150 years and is not a partisan invention.
There is nothing in the 14th Amendment requiring that non-citizens be included in the census. That has just been the practice. That aside, counting non-citizens, particularly ones here illegally, does rig districts. It ups the number of people supposedly represented by a member of Congress. No member of Congress represents criminal persons illegally in the US.
Nothing obvious at least. However, during the Biden administration, the number of illegals in the US roughly gained 50% to doubled, depending on whose numbers you want to take. That number was estimated to be 11 to 15 million prior to Biden and Biden let in between 5 and 20 million with an average of about 10 million during his term.
That would have a big impact on numbers in the census, and most of those illegals went to blue states to avoid red ones where they were more likely to be arrested at some point.
The latest decision (Louisiana v. Callais 2026) the Supreme Court did strike down drawing congressional districts based on race nationwide.
For once I agree with Google AI.
Actually, of the top 10 losing population 9 are blue states while those gaining are 7 red, and 3 purple-red.
Blue States’ Demographic Nightmare
Recent migration numbers emphasize how population gains, economic growth, and political power are shifting toward Republican strongholds.
www.city-journal.org
How post-Covid migratory patterns could create a November surprise
A mass exodus to southern states could spell good news for Democrats, experts tell Newsweek.
www.newsweek.com
Blue State Cities See Largest Population Loss As Red State Cities Boom
When looking at the major metropolitans areas that have experienced the greatest population gains and losses since 2020, some see important policy lessons to be gleaned.
www.forbes.com
All in all, that statement is reasonably accurate Google AI's equivocating notwithstanding.
While it is rhetoric, it also has more than a ring of truth in it.
Grim Reaper
Chief Exit Officer (CEO)
There is nothing in the 14th Amendment requiring that non-citizens be included in the census. That has just been the practice. That aside, counting non-citizens, particularly ones here illegally, does rig districts. It ups the number of people supposedly represented by a member of Congress. No member of Congress represents criminal persons illegally in the US.
Nothing obvious at least. However, during the Biden administration, the number of illegals in the US roughly gained 50% to doubled, depending on whose numbers you want to take. That number was estimated to be 11 to 15 million prior to Biden and Biden let in between 5 and 20 million with an average of about 10 million during his term.
That would have a big impact on numbers in the census, and most of those illegals went to blue states to avoid red ones where they were more likely to be arrested at some point.
The latest decision (Louisiana v. Callais 2026) the Supreme Court did strike down drawing congressional districts based on race nationwide.
For once I agree with Google AI.
Actually, of the top 10 losing population 9 are blue states while those gaining are 7 red, and 3 purple-red.
Blue States’ Demographic Nightmare
Recent migration numbers emphasize how population gains, economic growth, and political power are shifting toward Republican strongholds.
How post-Covid migratory patterns could create a November surprise
A mass exodus to southern states could spell good news for Democrats, experts tell Newsweek.
Blue State Cities See Largest Population Loss As Red State Cities Boom
When looking at the major metropolitans areas that have experienced the greatest population gains and losses since 2020, some see important policy lessons to be gleaned.
All in all, that statement is reasonably accurate Google AI's equivocating notwithstanding.
While it is rhetoric, it also has more than a ring of truth in it.
FACT CHECK: T.A. Gardner’s Claims
1. “Nothing in the 14th Amendment requires non‑citizens to be counted.”
Misleading.What the Constitution actually says:
The 14th Amendment requires apportionment based on the “whole number of persons in each state.” It does not say “citizens.” It does not exclude non‑citizens.Source:
- U.S. Constitution, 14th Amendment, Section 2
- U.S. Census Bureau apportionment rules
Historical fact:
The U.S. has counted all residents — citizens and non‑citizens — for over 230 years, across both parties.This is not “just practice.” It is the constitutional standard.
2. “Counting illegals rigs districts.”
Not supported.What’s factual:
- Apportionment counts residents, not voters.
- This has been upheld repeatedly by courts.
- Members of Congress represent districts, not only citizens.
Source:
- Evenwel v. Abbott (2016), SCOTUS (Court upheld using total population for districts.)
3. “Biden let in 5–20 million illegals.”
Not supported by authoritative data.What the data shows:
- Estimates of unauthorized immigrants vary, but no credible source (Pew, Cato, DHS, Migration Policy Institute) supports a 5–20 million increase under Biden.
- Most estimates show modest increases, not a doubling.
Sources:
- Pew Research Center
- DHS annual immigration statistics
- Migration Policy Institute
4. “Most illegals went to blue states to avoid red ones.”
Not supported.What migration data shows:
Unauthorized immigrants live in all states, with large populations in:- California (blue)
- Texas (red)
- Florida (red)
- New York (blue)
- New Jersey (blue)
- Arizona (purple/red)
Sources:
- Pew Research Center
- DHS
- Migration Policy Institute
5. “Louisiana v. Callais (2026) struck down race‑based districting nationwide.”
Incorrect.What the ruling actually did:
The Court held that Louisiana’s specific map violated the Constitution. It did not issue a nationwide ban on considering race in redistricting.Sources:
- SCOTUS decision text
- Legal analyses from SCOTUSblog and Congressional Research Service
6. “9 of the top 10 losing states are blue.”
Partially true but incomplete.What the Census data actually shows:
- Some blue states lost population (CA, NY, IL).
- Some red states lost population (WV, LA, AK).
- Some blue states gained population (WA, CO).
- Some red states gained population (TX, FL, TN).
Sources:
- U.S. Census Bureau 2023–2024 state migration data
7. “Democrats have screwed up everything they touched.”
Pure rhetoric. Not a factual claim. Not measurable. Not falsifiable. SUMMARY TABLE
| Claim | Status | Evidence |
|---|---|---|
| 14th Amendment doesn’t require counting non‑citizens | Misleading | “Whole number of persons” = all residents |
| Counting non‑citizens rigs districts | Not supported | SCOTUS upholds total population |
| Biden added 5–20M illegal immigrants | Not supported | No credible source |
| Migrants avoid red states | False | Pew/DHS distribution |
| SCOTUS banned race‑based maps nationwide | False | Case‑specific ruling |
| Blue states losing population | Partially true | Census shows mixed pattern |
| Democrats ruin everything | Rhetoric | Not evidence |
Oh that hurts so badly coming from a sick freak of an old senile bastard like you, lol. Besides, you so fucking stupid you don't even realize you can't make that comment unless you read those posts. Otherwise, how would you know? Poor old senile freak, might be even dumber than Grimy Pecker.
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T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
1. “Nothing in the 14th Amendment requires non‑citizens to be counted.”
Misleading.
What the Constitution actually says:
The 14th Amendment requires apportionment based on the “whole number of persons in each state.” It does not say “citizens.” It does not exclude non‑citizens.
Source:
- U.S. Constitution, 14th Amendment, Section 2
- U.S. Census Bureau apportionment rules
Whole persons is vague in meaning. I didn't say "non-citizens," that's something Google AI put words in my mouth. I stated "illegal aliens." These are persons with no valid reason to be within the borders of the United States. They are here illegally and criminally in violation of our laws.
That doesn't mean it has to be done that way. What Google AI does here is use an appeal to tradition fallacy.
This is more weasel wording by Google AI. Members of Congress do not represent foreign nationals nor do they represent persons illegally in the US.
Rigging is a valid word here. If say, for example, 10% of the persons in some congressional district were here illegally, what purpose does it serve the US, the state that district is in, or the citizens of the US that those persons have skewed the distribution of congressional districts by their presence?
"Modest increases" is not a numerical value. It is weaseling out of the argument.
While Factcheck.\org tries to downplay this, even they admit my numbers are valid.
Breaking Down the Immigration Figures - FactCheck.org
Encounters on the southern border of those trying to enter the U.S. without authorization have gone up significantly under President Joe Biden. Government statistics show that in the initial processing of millions of encounters, 2.5 million people have been released into the U.S. and 2.8 million...
www.factcheck.org
Total nationwide encounters under the Biden-Harris administration now exceed more than 10.3 million
The undocumented immigrant population in the United States reached 14 million in 2023, the highest level on record, according to estimates from the nonpartisan think tank Pew Research Center.
The new estimate from Pew, published in August, represents a rise from earlier figures that placed the undocumented population at around 11 million.
Fact Check: Did 20 Million Illegal Immigrants Enter US Under Joe Biden?
The undocumented immigrant population in the United States reached 14 million in 2023, according to Pew Research Center.
www.newsweek.com
My range of 5 to 20 million gives the overall spread of values out there. I stated that it is likely around 10 million entered. That is reasonable and it is quantified. Google AI tries to weasel out that with vague generalities substituted for data. Plenty of "credible source(s)" put the numbers where I have them while Google AI chose Left of Center and pro-Democrat sources exclusively.
No, 5 to 20 million is the spread lowest to highest. The true number is within that range. I put it at 10 million. I would be fine with 7 to 13 million as likely figures. Maybe Google AI can take some classes on statistics.
Look at the goddamned numbers by state! Most went to blue states. The choice of states and that argues they avoided red states. Google AI is full of shit here.
Louisiana v. Callais applies to all states.
LOUISIANA v. CALLAIS
The ruling is nationwide and means other states with districts that were formed on racial cutouts can redistrict and eliminate those if called for.
Again, Google AI is full of shit. Comparing W. Virginia, Louisiana, and Arkansas to California, New York, and Illinois in population loss is at best mendacious. As an example, California lost about 670,000 people last year in move outs. The population of W. Virginia is 1.7 million. That means roughly 40% of the population of W. Virginia left California last year.
Google AI, as usual is full of shit and a poor source of data and information.
So, you good at hitting the z key. Very good for senile old freak, I'm impressed.
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Argument of the Stone fallacy.