Trump is still stuck with his quagmire forever war

Here is what one of the biggest boosters of this Iran war and an Israeli hawk now thinks after being a chief architect of pushing this war.

Checkmate in Iran​



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tigerred59 said:
I'm so proud that other nations saw worth in Ukraine and stood by them when the US looked away with piss shit demands. My desire someday is for the President of Ukraine to visit the US after the carnage Trump and MAGA have left behind and his shaking his head grinning in nothing but laughter.
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You're back on drugs?

Sad.
 
The generals told Trump going along with Netanyahoo was a bad idea. He ignored them and believed what the war-mongering pugnacious Bibi told him. Trump is not bright and is easily led. The word is, he believes what the last person tells him. We have a child in the White House.
 
QP! said:
Look up who Robert Kagan is if you think he is a lefty.

The Atlantic reporting what he said does not make this an Atlantic opinion piece.

This is the view of a top republican war hawk who wanted this war, desperately.
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He is Papa Bear neocon who understands that this latest neocon war is a massive failure for the Empire, and is getting out in front.
 
QP! said:
Look up who Robert Kagan is if you think he is a lefty.
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Robert Kagan IS a lefty.

We all know full well what the Log Cabin group of the Lincoln Project is all about.

QP! said:
The Atlantic reporting what he said does not make this an Atlantic opinion piece.
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Kagan is a PNAC fool who climbed in bed with the Marxists in 2008 - assuming the Neocon toads were anything but Mensheviks to start with.

QP! said:
This is the view of a top republican war hawk who wanted this war, desperately.
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No, this is the moronic ranting of a Neocon Trump hater and Bush toady.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
Robert Kagan IS a lefty.

We all know full well what the Log Cabin group of the Lincoln Project is all about.



Kagan is a PNAC fool who climbed in bed with the Marxists in 2008 - assuming the Neocon toads were anything but Mensheviks to start with.



No, this is the moronic ranting of a Neocon Trump hater and Bush toady.
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This forum post contains several factual inaccuracies, historical mischaracterizations, and conflated political entities.


Fact-Checking the Claims

Claim [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6]Reality / Fact Check
"Robert Kagan IS a lefty."False. Robert Kagan is a prominent right-leaning neoconservative foreign policy theorist. He served in the Reagan administration's State Department and co-founded the Project for the New American Century (PNAC). He has advocated for muscular American interventionism, strong defense spending, and global democracy promotion—ideals firmly rooted in the hawkish wing of the political right.
"...the Log Cabin group of the Lincoln Project..."False. The poster is conflating two completely different political organizations. The Log Cabin Republicans is a distinct advocacy group founded in 1977 for LGBT conservatives. The Lincoln Project is a political action committee (PAC) formed in late 2019 by anti-Trump Republicans. They are separate entities with no organizational overlap.
"Kagan... climbed in bed with the Marxists in 2008..."False. In the 2008 presidential election, Robert Kagan served as a foreign policy advisor to John McCain, the Republican nominee. He did not endorse or ally with Barack Obama or any left-wing group in 2008.
"assuming the Neocon toads were anything but Mensheviks to start with."Misleading. "Mensheviks" refers to the moderate socialist faction of the Russian revolutionary movement. While early 1970s neoconservatism was originally formed by anti-communist liberals who moved rightward, modern neoconservatives like Kagan champion global capitalism, American hegemony, and military interventionism—concepts entirely incompatible with Menshevism or Marxism.


Why the Poster Holds These Views
The poster’s intense rhetoric stems from modern shifts within the Republican Party and conservative foreign policy debates where anyone who disagrees with Trump, no matter their prior Conservative, Republican or Neocon history is instantly identified as coming from the left:
  • The Neoconservative vs. Populist Rift: Under Donald Trump, the Republican platform shifted toward an isolationist, "America First" foreign policy. Right-wing populists frequently label hawkish establishment figures like Kagan as "leftists" or "deep state" agents simply because they oppose the populist retrenchment.
 
QP! said:
This forum post contains several factual inaccuracies, historical mischaracterizations, and conflated political entities.


Fact-Checking the Claims


Claim [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6]Reality / Fact Check
"Robert Kagan IS a lefty."False. Robert Kagan is a prominent right-leaning neoconservative foreign policy theorist. He served in the Reagan administration's State Department and co-founded the Project for the New American Century (PNAC). He has advocated for muscular American interventionism, strong defense spending, and global democracy promotion—ideals firmly rooted in the hawkish wing of the political right.
"...the Log Cabin group of the Lincoln Project..."False. The poster is conflating two completely different political organizations. The Log Cabin Republicans is a distinct advocacy group founded in 1977 for LGBT conservatives. The Lincoln Project is a political action committee (PAC) formed in late 2019 by anti-Trump Republicans. They are separate entities with no organizational overlap.
"Kagan... climbed in bed with the Marxists in 2008..."False. In the 2008 presidential election, Robert Kagan served as a foreign policy advisor to John McCain, the Republican nominee. He did not endorse or ally with Barack Obama or any left-wing group in 2008.
"assuming the Neocon toads were anything but Mensheviks to start with."Misleading. "Mensheviks" refers to the moderate socialist faction of the Russian revolutionary movement. While early 1970s neoconservatism was originally formed by anti-communist liberals who moved rightward, modern neoconservatives like Kagan champion global capitalism, American hegemony, and military interventionism—concepts entirely incompatible with Menshevism or Marxism.


Why the Poster Holds These Views
The poster’s intense rhetoric stems from modern shifts within the Republican Party and conservative foreign policy debates where anyone who disagrees with Trump, no matter their prior Conservative, Republican or Neocon history is instantly identified as coming from the left:
  • The Neoconservative vs. Populist Rift: Under Donald Trump, the Republican platform shifted toward an isolationist, "America First" foreign policy. Right-wing populists frequently label hawkish establishment figures like Kagan as "leftists" or "deep state" agents simply because they oppose the populist retrenchment.
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Bullshit, and stupid bullshit.

Do better.
 
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