Kevin Warsh in a pickle.

Trump is now in charge of the Fed. He will determine the interest rates. Powell fought back. I am sure Warsh got the job by ceding his power to Trump. Highly trained and experienced economists will not be permitted to stand up to Trump. Trump has taken over many agencies. Now he has this one.
"Highly trained and experienced economists" have been calling the shots for 100 years plus and we're 40 trillion in debt with insolvency of the dollar lurking.

This country needs another great depression to wake the population the fuck up and reset our morality. If that's what you're fearing I say bring it on. We can't go on much longer with the status quo.
 
Hey, @cawacko and @Teflon Don - here's what happens when world leaders gain control over their own monetary policy like you want trump to do. You guys are such fucking fools all the time. Seriously, gain some knowledge.


What harm can come by giving trump control over monetary policy:

Higher inflation risk

  • If leaders keep rates artificially low, too much money can circulate.
  • Businesses and consumers spend more, demand rises, and prices can accelerate.
  • Once inflation becomes entrenched, bringing it down can require painful rate hikes and recessions.

Many countries that allowed heavy political control over central banks have experienced inflation spikes or even severe currency crises.


Loss of credibility

  • Markets care not just about policy, but trust.
  • Investors want confidence that decisions are based on economic data rather than politics.
  • If investors believe rates are manipulated for political goals, they may demand higher returns to compensate for uncertainty.
Market instability

  • Interest rates affect mortgages, retirement accounts, business investment, and the value of the dollar.
  • Sudden politically motivated shifts can create volatility.
  • Markets generally prefer predictable and evidence-based policy.

Potential pressure on government debt

  • Presidents may want lower rates because they reduce borrowing costs for federal deficits.
  • But if monetary policy becomes a tool to finance spending, it can weaken confidence in the currency.

Historical examples

  • Richard Nixon pressured Arthur Burns before the 1972 election to keep policy easier. Some economists argue this contributed to the inflation problems of the 1970s.
  • Countries like Turkey saw major economic instability when political leadership heavily influenced interest-rate policy.
 
Of course it's all money driven. And the fans that support it basically say its 'fairer' and why would you complain about having more football.

To me, the scarcity is what made college football so special. You couldn't afford to lose a game in the regular season. That's what added so much meaning. Now it's just a mini-NFL model.

And wait, at some point before a big rivalry game a coach is going to decide to rest his players for the playoffs. Can you imagine if that happened for say Ohio State - Michigan?

I also think at some point there will be star players that sit out the playoffs.
Interesting point, but I’d add rivalries make it special, and conferences built rivalries, USC could lose that one game, even four games, and the end of the year UCLA game would still be big, Harvard Yale is still the game in the Ivy League. That could be gone, but not the Harvard Yale game

And you are right on the star players, read an interesting piece by Dino Babers who I believe used to coach Syracuse University who opposed any playoffs. His point was that due to injuries from repeated big games only a few teams with deep personnel would survive, and in the process the achievement of winning a conference and joy of getting invited to a Bowl game would be lost to the majority of players
 
Hey, @cawacko and @Teflon Don - here's what happens when world leaders gain control over their own monetary policy like you want trump to do. You guys are such fucking fools all the time. Seriously, gain some knowledge.


What harm can come by giving trump control over monetary policy:

Higher inflation risk

  • If leaders keep rates artificially low, too much money can circulate.
  • Businesses and consumers spend more, demand rises, and prices can accelerate.
  • Once inflation becomes entrenched, bringing it down can require painful rate hikes and recessions.

Many countries that allowed heavy political control over central banks have experienced inflation spikes or even severe currency crises.


Loss of credibility

  • Markets care not just about policy, but trust.
  • Investors want confidence that decisions are based on economic data rather than politics.
  • If investors believe rates are manipulated for political goals, they may demand higher returns to compensate for uncertainty.
Market instability

  • Interest rates affect mortgages, retirement accounts, business investment, and the value of the dollar.
  • Sudden politically motivated shifts can create volatility.
  • Markets generally prefer predictable and evidence-based policy.

Potential pressure on government debt

  • Presidents may want lower rates because they reduce borrowing costs for federal deficits.
  • But if monetary policy becomes a tool to finance spending, it can weaken confidence in the currency.

Historical examples

  • Richard Nixon pressured Arthur Burns before the 1972 election to keep policy easier. Some economists argue this contributed to the inflation problems of the 1970s.
  • Countries like Turkey saw major economic instability when political leadership heavily influenced interest-rate policy.
If we were on Jeopardy I'd take 'Who Didn't Read The Thread' for $1K Alex.
 
Interesting point, but I’d add rivalries make it special, and conferences built rivalries, USC could lose that one game, even four games, and the end of the year UCLA game would still be big, Harvard Yale is still the game in the Ivy League. That could be gone, but not the Harvard Yale game

And you are right on the star players, read an interesting piece by Dino Babers who I believe used to coach Syracuse University who opposed any playoffs. His point was that due to injuries from repeated big games only a few teams with deep personnel would survive, and in the process the achievement of winning a conference and joy of getting invited to a Bowl game would be lost to the majority of players
The rivalry games would still be played, but I'm envisioning a scenario where a coach says the result here really doesn't alter our playoff standing. Thus resting some star players like they do in the NFL.

Star players already sit out the non-playoff bowl games. I just wouldn't be shocked if at some point start players choose to sit out the playoffs as well. You're potentially playing 4 - 5 additional games a season. That's a lot of wear and tear for football players.
 
If we were on Jeopardy I'd take 'Who Didn't Read The Thread' for $1K Alex.
If you were on Jeopardy, a question about you might be, "Who doesn't know shit about how trump's desire to totally control everything might fuck America in the ass, Alex".

You're pretty naive, dude. Sorry, but you are.
 
If you were on Jeopardy, a question about you might be, "Who doesn't know shit about how trump's desire to totally control everything might fuck America in the ass, Alex".

You're pretty naive, dude. Sorry, but you are.
I'm not sure what to tell you LA. You come on here screaming at me over a position I've not taken.

If there's any post ITT you want to point out where I've stated something you disagree with, I'm happy to discuss.
 
I'm not sure what to tell you LA. You come on here screaming at me over a position I've not taken.

If there's any post ITT you want to point out where I've stated something you disagree with, I'm happy to discuss.
You were trying to assure all of us, early in the thread of the Fed's independence. What you fail to take into account is that during trump 2.0 people trump appoints do his exact bidding.

I'm not screaming at you, I'm disagreeing with you. So now you're both naive and thin-skinned. This is a debate thread. Sometime people are gong to disagree with you - if you'd like we can find you a safe space to sulk?
 
You were trying to assure all of us, early in the thread of the Fed's independence. What you fail to take into account is that during trump 2.0 people trump appoints do his exact bidding.

I'm not screaming at you, I'm disagreeing with you. So now you're both naive and thin-skinned. This is a debate thread. Sometime people are gong to disagree with you - if you'd like we can find you a safe space to sulk?
Please point to the post that you take issue with.
 
Trump is now in charge of the Fed. He will determine the interest rates. Powell fought back. I am sure Warsh got the job by ceding his power to Trump. Highly trained and experienced economists will not be permitted to stand up to Trump. Trump has taken over many agencies. Now he has this one.
We'll see. Trump at the moment isn't quite the "all mighty" he has been.
 
"Highly trained and experienced economists" have been calling the shots for 100 years plus and we're 40 trillion in debt with insolvency of the dollar lurking.

This country needs another great depression to wake the population the fuck up and reset our morality. If that's what you're fearing I say bring it on. We can't go on much longer with the status quo.
They do not determine monetary policy. Their function is to control inflation and monitor rhe economy,
 
What's so interesting when discussing the Fed and rates is hawks and doves don't fall neatly along partisan lines.

Liberals and conservatives can want lower rates while at the same time other liberals and conservatives can want higher rates.
From the little I know about economics, it seems now is not the time to lower rates.
 
From the little I know about economics, it seems now is not the time to lower rates.
I am not an expert, but I'll share what I know. There are of course two mandates for the Fed with inflation and employment.

'Hawks' are often more vigilant about fighting inflation and not wanting to lower rates too soon. 'Doves' often look at what rates do for employment, so they believe being too restrictive with rates (keeping them higher to fight inflation) can hurt the job market/economy.

Politically speaking there are hawks and doves on both the right and left. It may be for different reasons but for example, both Trump and Elizabeth Warren have called for lowering rates in recent times.

As I understand it, the recent spike in oil prices have made the argument for lowering rates much more difficult.
 
"Highly trained and experienced economists" have been calling the shots for 100 years plus and we're 40 trillion in debt with insolvency of the dollar lurking.
The debt is decided by the politicians, not the economists. We did wall off the Fed from the politicians, and had a couple of decades of target inflation. Now we are going back to the politicians being in charge, like in the early 1970's, with assumably the same effect.

The Dollar has been quite solvent for a long time, but again, the politicians might change that.

This country needs another great depression
Or maybe it would be better not to have trump put us into a great depression?
 
Fed raising lowering rates really wont solve problems

We need to Gaza Iran to get Hormuz openre

then we need to bring home some (not all) troops and place them in rural bases allowing the nearby towns and villages to get more income
 
Waller was appointed by Trump and said we can't rule out rate hikes.

I suppose its understandable people who don't follow the Fed closely assume Fed Governors vote along party lines like in Congress. The Fed and monetary policy doesn't work that way however.


Fed’s Waller: Inflation Risks Mean Fed Should No Longer Signal Cuts

Christopher Waller says holding rates steady will likely be the right course for the foreseeable future


 
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