Entering your home without a warrant.

[Into the Night]

Usually rental contracts reserve some rights for the landlord to enter, with notice, and to do repairs. This is not a right to give keys to the police for them to enter.

If a lease does not control the space, what good is it?

An illegal alien signing a lease such as this is null and void. Such contract itself is null and void. It is ILLEGAL for a landlord or employer to harbor illegal aliens.

 

[Into the Night]

Bubba, I've been through this. Either the owner can give them permission, or they have to get a warrant.
Seen it happen both ways a couple times or more.

ICE usually just gets a warrant.

 

[Into the Night]

Estimates are several thousand times. ICE is of course not releasing any data about it.

Argument from randU fallacy.

The secret policy memorandum authorizing agents to enter homes using only administrative warrants (Form I-205) was issued in May 2025. This means the policy has been actively utilized by field offices for approximately one year.

If community-based operations average several hundred per day over a 12-month period, the total number of community-based interactions spans into the tens of thousands. Even if ICE agents only resort to forcing entry without a judicial warrant in a conservative 2% to 5% of these targeted residential encounters—such as when a subject refuses to open the door—the cumulative total easily reaches between 2,000 and 5,000 warrantless home entries nationwide.

Argument from randU fallacy.

Random numbers are not data, Stooge.

 

[Into the Night]

Our home or apartment is viewed as a sanctuary.

WRONG. It is ILLEGAL for an illegal alien to own land. See USC Title 48.
It is ILLEGAL for a landlord or employer to house or employ an illegal alien. See USC Title 8 and Title 48.
If an illegal alien flees to a home or apartment, it is no 'safe base'.

The 4th amendment says police require a warrant signed by a judge to enter. It can be bypassed if there is a medical emergency, if you consent or they are in hot pursuit.

DON'T TRY TO HIDE BEHIND THE CONSTITUTION YOU DESPISE, SYBIL!

 

[Crepitus]

Argument from randU fallacy.

Argument from randU fallacy.

Random numbers are not data, Stooge.

Awesome, I'll remember that is I ever decide to post random numbers, Larry.

And you're welcome, thanks to me you finally know what at least one of the "fallacies" you are always blabbering about means.

 

[Walt]

What you said was by signing the lease the landlord sold the right to occupy and control the space. When someone sells a car they have no more control over it thats not the case with a lease of a building or a car. The tenant cannot altar the space, like knocking down walls to suit their personal needs. They have a right to occupy and some privacy but no control is sold to the tenant

Can you imagine if a tenant were to knock down an entire wing of a building, after having claimed he would not even touch it. Worse yet, if it included destroying millions of dollars in equipment, and illegal destruction of documents. Then he went on to claim that private donors would build a ballroom there(remember he is just a tenant), but then demanded the landlord spend several billion dollars, or he would just leave a huge gaping hole there. Yes, we are talking about trump.

There are some rental agreements that allow construction on the property, but that is extremely unusual. There are no rental agreements that allow ICE to come in and arrest people in their homes with no warrants. Just a reminder that over half the people in this building were American citizens, with ancestry that goes back over 200 years. ICE cannot breakdown their doors and arrest them, even if they rent their homes.

 

[Walt]

It is ILLEGAL for an illegal alien to own land.

There are some restrictions on non-citizens owning land, but generally not many. For the most part anyone can own land, whether they live in the USA, or not.

 

[Walt]

An illegal alien signing a lease such as this is null and void.

Slightly over half the tenants were American citizens whose ancestors had been here for over 200 years. The rest had temporary visas. Basically none were illegal aliens.

If you think there was enough evidence to prove they were criminals to "void" the lease, that would be something to bring up in court. ICE could get a search warrant based on that claim, if only they had some sort of evidence.

 

[Into the Night]

Awesome, I'll remember that is I ever decide to post random numbers, Larry.

I am not you, Stooge. DON'T TRY TO DENY YOUR OWN POSTS!

 

[Into the Night]

Can you imagine if a tenant were to knock down an entire wing of a building, after having claimed he would not even touch it. Worse yet, if it included destroying millions of dollars in equipment, and illegal destruction of documents. Then he went on to claim that private donors would build a ballroom there(remember he is just a tenant), but then demanded the landlord spend several billion dollars, or he would just leave a huge gaping hole there. Yes, we are talking about trump.

Trump has all the authority he needs to construct a ballroom.

There are some rental agreements that allow construction on the property, but that is extremely unusual. There are no rental agreements that allow ICE to come in and arrest people in their homes with no warrants. Just a reminder that over half the people in this building were American citizens, with ancestry that goes back over 200 years. ICE cannot breakdown their doors and arrest them, even if they rent their homes.

The White House is not a rental agreement, Wally.

 

[Into the Night]

There are some restrictions on non-citizens owning land, but generally not many. For the most part anyone can own land, whether they live in the USA, or not.

Illegal immigrants cannot own land, Wally.

 

[Into the Night]

Slightly over half the tenants were American citizens whose ancestors had been here for over 200 years.

Argument from randU fallacy.

The rest had temporary visas. Basically none were illegal aliens.

Lie. Denial.

If you think there was enough evidence to prove they were criminals to "void" the lease, that would be something to bring up in court. ICE could get a search warrant based on that claim, if only they had some sort of evidence.

An arrest warrant is not a search warrant, Wally. It is a warrant to arrest someone. It does not matter if they are in their home at the time.

ICE doesn't arrest random people, Wally.

 

[Walt]

Trump has all the authority he needs to construct a ballroom.

The White House is not a rental agreement, Wally.

trump does not own the White House. he is a tenant, with limited rights to live there. he did not have the right to unilaterally destroy a third of the White House.

An arrest warrant is not a search warrant, Wally. It is a warrant to arrest someone.

There were no arrest or search warrants sought.

ICE doesn't arrest random people, Wally.

They arrested everyone in a building, including American citizens.

 

[Into the Night]

trump does not own the White House.

Still figure out English, can ya?

he is a tenant, with limited rights to live there.

Trump is not a tenant.

he did not have the right to unilaterally destroy a third of the White House.

He does, Wally.

There were no arrest or search warrants sought.

Lie. ICE does not arrest anyone without cause.

They arrested everyone in a building, including American citizens.

Lie. Synthesis.

 

[christiefan915]

You said you were in corporate or real estate or insurance law before, motherfucker!
You're lying!
Name a prominent criminal defense lawyer in your area, liar! I know a couple down that way.
I certainly know one from Palm Beach County.

It was PostmodernProphet who was in real estate law.

 

[Walt]

No police agency arrests anyone without cause.

If that were true, why does the Constitution require warrants? If the police only arrest guilty people, why bother with courts?

There are police agencies in Iran, are they also perfect?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Yes they do, They not only have the authority, they have the responsibility to report illegal aliens in the complex to ICE.
ICE also has the inherent right of self defense.

the 4th Amendment restricts the government, not the people, therefore, ICE has to follow the same constitutional limits as DHS.

ICE is a government agency. as such, they do not have rights, only prescribed powers.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Yes they can, The contract is void. Illegal aliens cannot sign such a contract. It is immediately void.

cite the case law for that BS claim, please.

 

[Lionfish]

Not necessarily, but besides that, most of these victims were Americans.

Liar.

If you enter the country illegally, you are a criminal.

 

[Tobytone]

ICE claims the right to enter your home without a warrant.

Historically and very long established caselaw says the only time the GOVERNMENT has that right is if they are in hot pursuit if a dangerous felon.



Do you Trumppers agree with ICE, that they can simply enter homes without a warrant? Is this not the type of shit we quit England over? What about the 4th Amendment?

Are you libertarians upset? @Damocles

Oh Jarod, you sure do love to scream Constitution when it fits the narrative, as always, you're comparing apples to oranges.

ICE does NOT claim the right to just walk into any random American citizen’s home without a warrant. Stop lying. They are targeting ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS who have already been ordered deported by a court and are hiding in the country.

The 4th Amendment protects American citizens. It does not give illegal invaders a magic force field once they cross the border illegally. If you're here unlawfully, especially after a judge already told you to leave, you don’t get full constitutional protections in every situation.

They can enter without a warrant in very limited situations: hot pursuit of a dangerous felon, or when they have consent, or in true emergencies. Those rules have existed forever. What has changed is the massive number of illegal invaders we now have in this country, well over 10 million who were let in under Biden.

If ICE has a final deportation order on someone and they watch that person run into a house, they don’t need a new warrant to go in after them. That person is already in the country illegally and has been ordered removed by a judge. They are not some innocent citizens hiding in their castle. They are a lawbreaker trying to evade the law.

You're easily fooled for all the reasons I've documented here since coming to JPP. You're a mindless drone that thinks wanting it to be so, means it is so.

Keep crying losers.