Archaeology of the New Testament

[Into the Night]

You already know the answer to that question.

Yup. You're making shit up again.

 

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....said the Christian who wants to believe the Earth is 6,000 years old.

I never said any such thing, moron. The age of Earth is unknown.

 

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Was there a purpose in posting the periodic table?

 

[Into the Night]

You've learn about as much as you are going to learn ,from a pure Physical universe pov. Next you really need ,to break on through to the other side. Without a physical universe, it had to be a Spirit event to trigger the Big Bang and creation of the physical universe!
"God doesn't play dice with the Universe " A. Einstein

Go learn what the 'uni-' means in 'Universe'.

 

[Into the Night]

Man created that.

That is correct. Man created the periodic table of the elements, and named each element as well.

 

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"Man created that"... based on the elegant physical and electrical organization of the elements that man observed in nature.

The Universe is not organized.

The fact that the electrical and physical properties of the elements can be shown in an orderly periodic table is evidence of the underlying organization of the atomic world.

That is not organization.

Are you aware the periodic table reveals orderly and organized electrical/physical properties of atoms?

Nope. Man created the periodic table AND named each element. The Universe is not an atom.

 

[Cypress]

Was there a purpose in posting the periodic table??

The very fact of the name "periodic" table should have given you a clue.

Early chemists discovered that there is a periodic, orderly, organized way in which the electrical and nuclear properties of atomic elements vary. That's exactly why the atomic world can be expressed in the orderly form of a table.

You claimed the universe was completely disorganized and totally random.

 

[Cypress]

But you are claiming that the design was intentional. The creation of a conscious being. Why would a being, who has that kind of ability and all options at its disposal, screw so many things up?

I don't know for certain it was a rational agency, but I can't deny circumstantial evidence pointing in that direction.

I see physical reality differently than you. I think the Earth is a beautiful, amazing, even perhaps unique planet. I marvel at the lawful nature of the universe, and I am astounded by the elegance and irreducible complexity of the cell and the neuron.

Taken as a whole, I look around and do not see ugliness, flaw, blemish.

The entire basis of your claim of an intelligent creator is the complexity and fine tuning of the creation. The creation is flawed.... like, really flawed. The fact that we have figured out how to explain, mathematically, doesn't mean the creation, at every level, is full of flaws.

You can throw your hands up in defeat and say you don't know, or you can follow the evidence we have and make a provisional judgement based on incomplete information. Everyday of the week people make judgments on the basis on imperfect or incomplete information.

Again, YOU are claiming that the design was intentional. The creation of a conscious being. Why would a being, who has that kind of ability and all options at its disposal, screw so many things up?

I believe the best explanation for a lawful and rational universe is some type of rational agency. I've never seen an explanation for the material and rational somehow being caused by the immaterial and irrational. The act of creation by a rational agency seems like a choice to me.

 

[Cypress]

The Universe is not organized!!! Nope. Man created the periodic table AND named each element!

Humans were able to represent the atomic world in the orderly form of a table because early chemists discovered that there is a periodic, orderly, organized way in which the electrical and nuclear properties of the atomic elements vary.

 

[ZenMode]

"Man created that"... based on the elegant physical and electrical organization of the elements that man observed in nature.

No. He just made the periodic table look organized and color coded.

The fact that the electrical and physical properties of the elements can be shown in an orderly periodic table is evidence of the underlying organization of the atomic world.

You could show the most disorganized collection as organized in a table. I could take a list of all cartoon characters, that were ever on Saturday morning TV, and make it look structured and organized.

Are you aware the periodic table reveals orderly and organized electrical/physical properties of atoms?

Yes. I took 7th grade science.

 

[ZenMode]

I never said any such thing, moron. The age of Earth is unknown.

The fact that you are very Christian is known, however.

 

[ZenMode]

I don't know for certain it was a rational agency, but I can't deny circumstantial evidence pointing in that direction.

I see physical reality differently than you. I think the Earth is a beautiful, amazing, even perhaps unique planet. I marvel at the lawful nature of the universe, and I am astounded by the elegance and irreducible complexity of the cell and the neuron.

Taken as a whole, I look around and do not see ugliness, flaw, blemish.

You can throw your hands up in defeat and say you don't know, or you can follow the evidence we have and make a provisional judgement based on incomplete information. Everyday of the week people make judgments on the basis on imperfect or incomplete information.

I believe the best explanation for a lawful and rational universe is some type of rational agency. I've never seen an explanation for the material and rational somehow being caused by the immaterial and irrational. The act of creation by a rational agency seems like a choice to me.

In summary: you are sticking to the lawful/rational angle and ignoring how, at every level, there are so many flaws in the universe, earth, humans, animals, etc.

And yes, you ARE saying a conscious being created it because a conscious being is required to do the planning and designing of what you call lawful and rational.

What's rational about our primary light source causing cancer? What's rational about earthquake/tsunami-causing faults in the Earth? What's rational about weather patterns that cause floods on day, followed by years of drought? What's rational about degrading eyesight and hearing? What's rational about designing human eyes backwards, causing a blind spot in every human? What's rational about giving a spine and knee design to bipeds that was actually designed for quadrupeds? Why give limb regrowth to a handful of creatures but not humans?

You are seeing what you want to see, not what is reality.

 

[Cypress]

No. He just made the periodic table look organized and color coded.

You could show the most disorganized collection as organized in a table. I could take a list of all cartoon characters, that were ever on Saturday morning TV, and make it look structured and organized.

Yes. I took 7th grade science.

If you create a table for report, term paper, or PowerPoint slide there better be some sensible and organized way it is presenting information, otherwise your bosses, clients, or teachers are going to wonder about your ability to communicate information.

The periodic table is quite specifically arranged in a way that illustrates the organized and periodic way the electrical and nuclear properties of the atomic world vary. That's how we were able to make predictions about the properties of elements we hadn't even discovered yet.


The orderly, periodic, and organized electrical and nuclear properties of the atomic elements existed 13.5 billion years before humans appeared, and they will continue to persist hundreds of billions of years after we are gone. They don't need a table to tell them that.

 

[Cypress]

That is correct. Man created the periodic table of the elements, and named each element as well!

The periodic table is a human device which reveals the underlying natural organization and orderly periodicity of the atomic world humans discovered in the 19th and early 20th centuries.

The various electrical and nuclear properties of the atomic elements are so orderly, early chemists were able to use early and incomplete versions of the periodic table to predict the properties of elements we hadn't even discovered yet.

 

[ZenMode]

If you create a table for report, term paper, or PowerPoint slide there better be some sensible and organized way it is presenting information, otherwise your bosses, clients, or teachers are going to wonder about your ability to communicate information.

Yes, it is what man does. Man takes things that are disorganized and makes them look organized.

The periodic table is quite specifically arranged in a way that illustrates the organized and periodic way the electrical and nuclear properties of the atomic world vary. That's how we were able to make predictions about the properties of elements we hadn't even discovered yet.

Adams, protons, neutrons and electrons do what they do and man makes it look organized.

The orderly, periodic, and organized electrical and nuclear properties of the atomic elements existed 13.5 billion years before humans appeared, and they will continue to persist hundreds of billions of years after we are gone. They don't need a table to tell them that.

Again, nature does what it does. H2O is the life blood of the planet. H202 is not. That's not example of organization or lawfulness in science. It just is what it is and man explains it / organizes it after the fact.

As my other post once again detailed, and you ignored, the universe and all of its contents are anything but well designed or organized.

 

[Into the Night]

The very fact of the name "periodic" table should have given you a clue.

Was there a point to posting the periodic table?

Early chemists discovered that there is a periodic, orderly, organized way in which the electrical and nuclear properties of atomic elements vary. That's exactly why the atomic world can be expressed in the orderly form of a table.

You claimed the universe was completely disorganized and totally random.

The Universe is not an atom, Cyborg.
The Universe is a random dust cloud. It is totally random.

 

[Into the Night]

I don't know for certain it was a rational agency, but I can't deny circumstantial evidence pointing in that direction.

Buzzword fallacy. Go learn what 'rational' means.

I see physical reality differently than you.

Go learn what 'real' means why you're at it.

I think the Earth is a beautiful, amazing, even perhaps unique planet.

I agree with this part.

I marvel at the lawful nature of the universe,

There is no law. The Universe is a random dust cloud.

and I am astounded by the elegance and irreducible complexity of the cell and the neuron.

Taken as a whole, I look around and do not see ugliness, flaw, blemish.

Fine.

You can throw your hands up in defeat and say you don't know, or you can follow the evidence we have and make a provisional judgement based on incomplete information. Everyday of the week people make judgments on the basis on imperfect or incomplete information.

I believe the best explanation for a lawful and rational universe is some type of rational agency. I've never seen an explanation for the material and rational somehow being caused by the immaterial and irrational. The act of creation by a rational agency seems like a choice to me.

Buzzword fallacies (lawful, rational).
The universe is a random dust cloud. There is no 'lawful universe'.
Go learn what 'rational' means. You seem to think it's some kind of magick word.
How can any event create the Universe when there is no Universe for the event to take place in??

 

[Into the Night]

Humans were able to represent the atomic world in the orderly form of a table because early chemists discovered that there is a periodic, orderly, organized way in which the electrical and nuclear properties of the atomic elements vary.

Man created the period table, Cyborg. He also named each and every element. Man also created the model of the atom.
The Universe is not an atom.
The Universe is not organized.

 

[Into the Night]

The fact that you are very Christian is known, however.

So? What has that got to do with the age of the Earth?

 

[Into the Night]

In summary: you are sticking to the lawful/rational angle and ignoring how, at every level, there are so many flaws in the universe, earth, humans, animals, etc.

And yes, you ARE saying a conscious being created it because a conscious being is required to do the planning and designing of what you call lawful and rational.

He doesn't know what 'lawful' or 'rational' even mean.

What's rational about our primary light source causing cancer? What's rational about earthquake/tsunami-causing faults in the Earth? What's rational about weather patterns that cause floods on day, followed by years of drought? What's rational about degrading eyesight and hearing? What's rational about designing human eyes backwards, causing a blind spot in every human? What's rational about giving a spine and knee design to bipeds that was actually designed for quadrupeds? Why give limb regrowth to a handful of creatures but not humans?

All of it is rational.
Go learn what 'rational' means.

You are seeing what you want to see, not what is reality.

Go learn what 'reality' means while you're there.