Reality check on electric cars
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I've found a hybrid I will actually consider buying: https://automobiles.honda.com/prelude
You do not have to plug in the new Honda Prelude to charge it. The 2026 Honda Prelude is a traditional, self-charging hybrid—not a plug-in hybrid (PHEV) or a fully electric vehicle (EV).
The hybrid traction battery pack in the 2026 Honda Prelude weighs 36.4 kilograms (80.2 pounds).
You do not have to plug in the new Honda Prelude to charge it. The 2026 Honda Prelude is a traditional, self-charging hybrid—not a plug-in hybrid (PHEV) or a fully electric vehicle (EV).
The hybrid traction battery pack in the 2026 Honda Prelude weighs 36.4 kilograms (80.2 pounds).
- You do not need to install a garage charger or search for public EV charging stations.
- Zero Range Anxiety: You operate the coupe just like a conventional gas car by filling it up with gas.
- Seamless Power Management: The car automatically manages the balance between electric power, hybrid power, and gas propulsion while you drive.
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Despite what @T. A. Gardner says which is EV technology has made no improvements and won't make any, since the beginnings of the 1900's his BS continues to be exposed.
China’s CATL on Tuesday introduced a new set of electric vehicle battery technologies, including a lighter battery pack rated for a 1,000-km (621-mile) driving range and an upgraded fast-charging battery that can go from 10 percent to 98 percent in under seven minutes....
China’s CATL reveals 621-mile EV battery, under-7-minute charging to challenge BYD
China’s CATL on Tuesday introduced a new set of electric vehicle battery technologies, including a lighter battery pack rated for a 1,000-km (621-mile) driving range and an upgraded fast-charging battery that can go from 10 percent to 98 percent in under seven minutes....
T. A. Gardner
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Did that post make sense to you?
What would i be jealous of? You making a statement that there has been no improvement or innovation in EV tech since the early 1900's and there never will be?
T. A. Gardner
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EV's are not the future. They have proven that for more than a century. I can accept that fuel cells are likely to take the ICE engine's place, but not EV's and batteries. There are simply far too many limitations.
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Above you AGAIN see Terrys fatal flaw when it comes to technology. Time and again, not just for EV's, he has shown he believes technology does not advance and gives examples of the4 technology over a hundred years ago and says 'it was proven at that time this tech is no good enough'.
Since the beginnings of Tesla creating a new and intense focus and investment cycle on the EV industry we have seen MASSIVE gains in the technology and there are very smart Venture Capitalists and Companies and Researchers who believe more massive gains are coming and they are spending 100's of billions of dollars pursuing them. Terry's reply to all that is 'I, Terry, know better. There will be no meaningful gains'.
If that innovation, listed in that article proves fully scalable, and the prior innovation i quoted where EV batteries are over coming the issues of losing charge in extreme cold weather, then we are getting very close to parity between the EV and ICE engine in terms of performance in all areas.
The only lagging issue, which is also on a significant improvement cycle is access to its fuel (charging stations) catching up to access to gas stations. That is easy solve for the industry with EV charging opportunities easily surpassing gas station prevalence, eventually.
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And yet improvements in the technology are being constantly delivered and proved while you sit here, claiming you know chemistry and physics and saying 'thus the battery tech CANNOT improve from early 1900's'.
That would be funny if not so stupid. The issue is not the chemistry or physics but your inability to understand it
T. A. Gardner
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Batteries rely on chemistry to work. It is the difference in electrical potential between two different elements that makes them work. Therefore, the most you can get voltage-wise out of a single battery cell in voltage is that difference and that amounts to about 3 volts and change per cell at most.And yet improvements in the technology are being constantly delivered and proved while you sit here, claiming you know chemistry and physics and saying 'thus the battery tech CANNOT improve from early 1900's'.
That would be funny if not so stupid. The issue is not the chemistry or physics but your inability to understand it
Cell size determines the time it can produce voltage. The bigger the cell, the longer it works. Density of the materials will also have an impact, but that is extremely limited in terms of what you can do with it.
The chemical reaction also has a rate at which it can occur and is generally exothermic.
Batteries can improve some and have since 1900. New types using different elements have been discovered. That changes none of the above. The problem with batteries is that they have low energy density and where the chemical reaction can be reversed allowing for battery recharge, that rate is set by the reaction rate and amount of heat generated in the process.
You are too stupid to grasp that there are serious limitations on using batteries and DC electric motors to power vehicles and those limitations make such vehicles undesirable for a broad range of applications outside of passenger vehicles.
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Right.
But the real time performance gains reported in that article and many others i have posted PROVE FACTUALLY that you are wrong when you state you understand science and there HAS NOT and CANNOT be any gains in performance since the early 1900's.
You are simply factually wrong in thinking you are understanding and applying science correctly. Real time GAINS are being realized all the time despite you saying it is not possible.
And because you are so stupid, despite me providing you PROOF of the advancements you claim 'I know science and improvements are NOT possible'.
T. A. Gardner
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That doesn't get around all the problems with EV's. They work fine if:
1. You are using it in an urban environment with good charging infrastructure.
2. The application is a light passenger vehicle.
3. Use is intermittent or short distance.
Where they don't work is:
1. Towing and carrying heavy loads.
2. Use in areas with little or no charging infrastructure.
3. Areas of temperature extremes, hot or cold.
4. Long distance driving requiring repeated charging.
You are focused on the technology alone. I am focused equally on that along with the intentions of users. For a great portion of the population, an EV is simply not the best choice for a vehicle.
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Nothing you say there matters.
You have pushed and continue to push that since the early 1900's there has be NO advancement or improvement in EV technology that makes it more user friendly to a driver.
Even as i post an article demonstrating a MASSIVE improvement from the 1900's early technology you reply with 'I know science and i know that improvements are not possible'.
You are wrong and stupid and that is the bottom line.
Improvements have happened and will continue to happen and their billions upon billions of dollars being placed by smart guys who believe that and are proving that despite you standing on the sideline yelling at them all 'i know science and what you just accomplished was not possible'.
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@T. A. Gardner says despite this new battery innovation below now already rolling out, he says...,
'I Terry, know science and can state that these technology improvements are impossible and not happening and all battery tech is the same now as it was in the early 1900's'.'
He says that with a straight face as new daily publications of improving technology, via science being demonstrated and launched into the market.
The below address the prior, very serious 'cold temperature' limitations (-30 now not a problem), and times to charge CONTINUALLY improving to the point now it is very comparable, if not faster than ICE fuel-up times.
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Chinese battery giant CATL has unveiled the Shenxing III, a new EV battery capable of charging from 10% to 80% in just 3 minutes and 44 seconds. This breakthrough is achieved by engineering a synthetic Solid Electrolyte Interphase layer to increase ion transport speed and stability, and by modifying the graphite anode structure to enable ultra-fast lithium diffusion.
'I Terry, know science and can state that these technology improvements are impossible and not happening and all battery tech is the same now as it was in the early 1900's'.'
He says that with a straight face as new daily publications of improving technology, via science being demonstrated and launched into the market.
The below address the prior, very serious 'cold temperature' limitations (-30 now not a problem), and times to charge CONTINUALLY improving to the point now it is very comparable, if not faster than ICE fuel-up times.
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Chinese battery giant CATL has unveiled the Shenxing III, a new EV battery capable of charging from 10% to 80% in just 3 minutes and 44 seconds. This breakthrough is achieved by engineering a synthetic Solid Electrolyte Interphase layer to increase ion transport speed and stability, and by modifying the graphite anode structure to enable ultra-fast lithium diffusion.
T. A. Gardner
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It's not just about charge times. The issues with EV's are more complex than that. Whatever the charge speed is, if there is nowhere to charge the battery, you are screwed. Gasoline, even anhydrous ammonia or hydrogen, are portable. I can bring them to where I need to refuel without extensive and permanent infrastructure being installed.@T. A. Gardner says despite this new battery innovation below now already rolling out, he says...,
'I Terry, know science and can state that these technology improvements are impossible and not happening and all battery tech is the same now as it was in the early 1900's'.'
He says that with a straight face as new daily publications of improving technology, via science being demonstrated and launched into the market.
The below address the prior, very serious 'cold temperature' limitations (-30 now not a problem), and times to charge CONTINUALLY improving to the point now it is very comparable, if not faster than ICE fuel-up times.
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Chinese battery giant CATL has unveiled the Shenxing III, a new EV battery capable of charging from 10% to 80% in just 3 minutes and 44 seconds. This breakthrough is achieved by engineering a synthetic Solid Electrolyte Interphase layer to increase ion transport speed and stability, and by modifying the graphite anode structure to enable ultra-fast lithium diffusion.
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Glad to see you back peddling from saying you know science and this type of improvement is not possible, as you have been saying prior. Glad to you move from that stupidity.
The ability to carry around fuel, when it comes to the utility of an EV versus ICE would be important to less than a fraction of 1% of drivers.
Far more impactful is the convenience of where fuel can be obtained and how long it takes to fuel up. Something ICE had by chasmic advantage but has been rapidly declining as the EV technology improves.
And we are still at the early stages of EV tech advancement with mass amounts of VC money betting more major ones will come