Trump says peace deal to be signed tomorrow, Iran says no such plans.

QP! said:
I think the title is supposed to say "Trump says peace deal tomorrow" and not "Iran".

And yes we will see who and who does not have any cards in this negotiation, based on whether Trump is dictating tomorrow or Iran is dictating 'not tomorrow'.

And by the way, it is not even a 'Peace deal' being negotiated right now despite the Trump spin. It is an MOU that would set the stage for "Peace Deal" negotiations.

What the MOU does is have both party agree, in advance the outline of the talks, so it is not a complete waste of time with people talking past one another. So one party does not show up saying "i will negotiate on the subway but not the airport" and the other shows up saying "i will negotiate on the airport but not the subway", and thus the trip was wasted. An MOU is established and agreed to that 'both the airport and subway will be discussed' and once agreed you set up the actual negotiations to follow.
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A peace treaty must be ratified by Congress so they are calling it a MOU.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
No......this is a possible structure for negotiations.....not a deal.
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So no deal, and we are no better off than we were pre war.

Iran was negotiating and Hormuz was open when we bombed them.

How is this a win for The Sleepy PP?
 
Jarod said:
A peace treaty must be ratified by Congress so they are calling it a MOU.
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While the first part of what you say is true, the second part is not what i have seen being reported and which i cited above in article.

This MOU is simply an agreement that these (A thru F) are the topics we will be negotiating and this will likely be executed over ZOOM call.

Then JD Vance and the team will likely fly to a location to meet Iran negotiators and with intermediaries present in an ATTEMPT to close an actual agreement that can be be pitched to Congress.

I do not think there is any chance or belief this MOU will have terms in it, and especially not anything that can be shown to COngress. It is merely the frame work, since Iran has been saying 'here is our proposal and red lines', and Trump has been saying something entirely else and thus no peace deal was advancing as they could not even agree on what to negotiate or not.
 
QP! said:
While the first part of what you say is true, the second part is not what i have seen being reported and which i cited above in article.

This MOU is simply an agreement that these (A thru F) are the topics we will be negotiating and this will likely be executed over ZOOM call.

Then JD Vance and the team will likely fly to a location to meet Iran negotiators and with intermediaries present in an ATTEMPT to close an actual agreement that can be be pitched to Congress.

I do not think there is any chance or belief this MOU will have terms in it, and especially not anything that can be shown to COngress. It is merely the frame work, since Iran has been saying 'here is our proposal and red lines', and Trump has been saying something entirely else and thus no peace deal was advancing as they could not even agree on what to negotiate or not.
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How is that a win for the Sleepy PP?
 
Jarod said:
So no deal, and we are no better off than we were pre war.

Iran was negotiating and Hormuz was open when we bombed them.

How is this a win for The Sleepy PP?
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Picking dishonorable fights and then getting humiliated carries consequences.
 
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“The Deal is scheduled to get signed tomorrow, and immediately after it is signed, the Hormuz Strait is OPEN TO ALL,”

The Sleepy PP called it a deal, not a Memo of understanding.
 
Jarod said:
How is that a win for the Sleepy PP?
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Sleepy PP has claimed 30 wins already on this path, so this will likely be no different.

That is unless Trump is basically prepared to concede almost all of Iran's original detailed terms, they would accept the US surrender over, and it does not seem so out of bounds to believe now, Trump concedes them all, with some mild largely meaningless window dressing he will call 'a massive win' as all his magats here clap like seals.

The rest of the world meanwhile will see how badly Trump and the US lost.
 
Jarod said:
“The Deal is scheduled to get signed tomorrow, and immediately after it is signed, the Hormuz Strait is OPEN TO ALL,”

The Sleepy PP called it a deal, not a Memo of understanding.
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They may well get some good faith gestures, from both sides, upon signing of the MOU. Things like 'opening the strait', for allowing Iran to send out oil to China, etc. Things they can both shut down again if the talks fail, but will be seen as good faith and helpful to set up the actual negotiations and talks.

That is not uncommon.
 
I read that by Iran's count, this is the 39th time Trump said he had a deal. Every time he says it is over, rightys jump on board believing what he says. They never come back and say they made a mistake and believed what Trump said.
 
Nordberg said:
I read that by Iran's count, this is the 39th time Trump said he had a deal. Every time he says it is over, rightys jump on board believing what he says. They never come back and say they made a mistake and believed what Trump said.
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Trump is a genius bullshit artist...as for being a OK American or global leader forget about....he is making the collapse of the Demonic Empire way worse than it had to be.
 
QP! said:
They may well get some good faith gestures, from both sides, upon signing of the MOU. Things like 'opening the strait', for allowing Iran to send out oil to China, etc. Things they can both shut down again if the talks fail, but will be seen as good faith and helpful to set up the actual negotiations and talks.

That is not uncommon.
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What is better than before the war started?
 
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