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1781490627207.png There's a reason these tired old pathetic politicians would rather die in office than return back to their home states, its because they know exactly how fucked up their states are. All because of their failed policies and political neglect. 41 years this bastard has been in office and his state, ie Kentuckkky ranks in the top ten when it comes to poverty. This whore is gonna need hospital care, where half the hospitals and clinics have closed in rural areas he may reside. These bastards don't want to return home, they know exactly whats instore these next 2 years of Trump and that Big Beautiful Bullshit Bill he voted for. If Karma is real, I hope to God he needs the care, that isn't there anymore thanks to his votes with Trump
 
It is amazing to me, that the Constitution does not allow citizens to determine if someone 34 or younger has the maturity and mental capabilities to be POTUS and bars them and yet sets no upper limit and someone 105 can serve.

That makes no sense.

Either put limits on both ends or trust the voters judgement on each end.

The biggest fear for these aging politicians, and aging people in general, is not necessarily the loss of power, for power sake, and is the loss of their daily routine and feeling it gives them a purpose that keeps them motivated and alive. Many people, still working at those upper ages, in jobs that are not physical, have a real feel of becoming suddenly isolated as the old person family and friends hardly engage with and so they cling to these jobs as their social and societal connection and for a sense of remaining relevant. They DO want to die while still in the job.
 
QP! said:
It is amazing to me, that the Constitution does not allow citizens to determine if someone 34 or younger has the maturity and mental capabilities to be POTUS and bars them and yet sets no upper limit and someone 105 can serve.

That makes no sense.

Either put limits on both ends or trust the voters judgement on each end.

The biggest fear for these aging politicians, and aging people in general, is not necessarily the loss of power, for power sake, and is the loss of their daily routine and feeling it gives them a purpose that keeps them motivated and alive. Many people, still working at those upper ages, in jobs that are not physical, have a real feel of becoming suddenly isolated as the old person family and friends hardly engage with and so they cling to these jobs as their social and societal connection and for a sense of remaining relevant. They DO want to die while still in the job.
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Maybe an upper limit on people we elect for Congress to wouldn't be a bad idea.
 
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Damocles said:
It would take an Amendment. Get on it. I'll support you.
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Well it is time to start calling our reps in Congress and get something started.
I have a message from my congressman in my morning mail I haven't answered yet I will suggest it to him and see what he says.
 
QP! said:
It is amazing to me, that the Constitution does not allow citizens to determine if someone 34 or younger has the maturity and mental capabilities to be POTUS and bars them and yet sets no upper limit and someone 105 can serve.

That makes no sense.

Either put limits on both ends or trust the voters judgement on each end.

The biggest fear for these aging politicians, and aging people in general, is not necessarily the loss of power, for power sake, and is the loss of their daily routine and feeling it gives them a purpose that keeps them motivated and alive. Many people, still working at those upper ages, in jobs that are not physical, have a real feel of becoming suddenly isolated as the old person family and friends hardly engage with and so they cling to these jobs as their social and societal connection and for a sense of remaining relevant. They DO want to die while still in the job.
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Well you have to look at the the Constitution at the time it was written. The age limits that were stipulated were pretty old at the time. While the average life expectancy was about 35 back then, it is misleading because the number is driven by many children not living past birth.

If you made it to 20, you had a good chance of making it into your 60s

That being said, the Founders one mistake was assuming that Congress would be a part time job. They never envisioned people hanging around for as long as they do.

I don't have a problem with the age limit for being able to run for office, especially today when the youth has such little maturity compared to generations ago.

I can see the argument for setting limits on the age a Congresscritter can serve just like people argue for term limits, but ultimately I believe it should be left up to the voters. And I don't believe the law should be changed to protect the voters from their own stupidity.

Anyway, it would require a Constitutional Amendment and I don't see anyway that would get passed by the Congress Critters.

Personally, I believe the seduction of power is too great for these Congress Critters. They control billions and trillions of dollars. They can shift industries. Nowhere else in life would they posses such power. They aren't going to let that go easily

That is why George Washington is so great despite his flaws. He actually walked away from power at a time when he could have installed himself as a virtual King. That is rare and deserves praise.
 
QP! said:
It is amazing to me, that the Constitution does not allow citizens to determine if someone 34 or younger has the maturity and mental capabilities to be POTUS and bars them and yet sets no upper limit and someone 105 can serve.

That makes no sense.

Either put limits on both ends or trust the voters judgement on each end.

The biggest fear for these aging politicians, and aging people in general, is not necessarily the loss of power, for power sake, and is the loss of their daily routine and feeling it gives them a purpose that keeps them motivated and alive. Many people, still working at those upper ages, in jobs that are not physical, have a real feel of becoming suddenly isolated as the old person family and friends hardly engage with and so they cling to these jobs as their social and societal connection and for a sense of remaining relevant. They DO want to die while still in the job.
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This nation is so long over due for some serious changes to our Constitution to reflect this new century of Trumpism. One being, that the equal branches of Gov. that fails to do its diligence, should be removed from their positions. Another being term limits...the day this nation imposes term limits from all branches of government starting with the Supreme Courts, our nation will emerge in a much better and functional existance.
 
Teflon Don said:
Well you have to look at the the Constitution at the time it was written. The age limits that were stipulated were pretty old at the time. While the average life expectancy was about 35 back then, it is misleading because the number is driven by many children not living past birth.

If you made it to 20, you had a good chance of making it into your 60s

That being said, the Founders one mistake was assuming that Congress would be a part time job. They never envisioned people hanging around for as long as they do.

I don't have a problem with the age limit for being able to run for office, especially today when the youth has such little maturity compared to generations ago.

I can see the argument for setting limits on the age a Congresscritter can serve just like people argue for term limits, but ultimately I believe it should be left up to the voters. And I don't believe the law should be changed to protect the voters from their own stupidity.

Anyway, it would require a Constitutional Amendment and I don't see anyway that would get passed by the Congress Critters.

Personally, I believe the seduction of power is too great for these Congress Critters. They control billions and trillions of dollars. They can shift industries. Nowhere else in life would they posses such power. They aren't going to let that go easily

That is why George Washington is so great despite his flaws. He actually walked away from power at a time when he could have installed himself as a virtual King. That is rare and deserves praise.
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Brilliant commentary, Don. I agree with all you said. However, times have changed, we're in a new era of Trumpism that has us all questioning what was once normal. If we don't address this problem today, we'll keep seeing politicians like Trump; duplicated over and over and over. Long after Trump has left office, his stench will be the template of how to ruin governments embraced by GOP politicians. Change must come to America.
 
tigerred59 said:
Brilliant commentary, Don. I agree with all you said. However, times have changed, we're in a new era of Trumpism that has us all questioning what was once normal. If we don't address this problem today, we'll keep seeing politicians like Trump; duplicated over and over and over. Long after Trump has left office, his stench will be the template of how to ruin governments embraced by GOP politicians. Change must come to America.
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I don't deny that there should be change. But the issue of aging politicians hanging on for dear life predates Trump. Many a politician has been seen trying to sneak by reporters in wheelchairs.

Heck, it is well known that Woodrow Wilson suffered a debilitating stroke while campaigning and his wife controlled all access. While there is debate about how much power she had, clearly for his last 17 months, he should not have been in charge of the country. At the time there was no 25th Amendment

FDR was in extremely poor health toward the end

Toward the end, Reagan wasn't himself

We all saw what happened to Biden

As I said, I wouldn't be opposed to changes on age limits of Congress critters, but I don't think it has a snowballs chance in hell of ever passing Congress or being ratified as an Amendment.

The closest chance you would have is calling a Constitutional Convention, but I suspect the powers that be would do everything possible to prevent that.
 
Teflon Don said:
I don't deny that there should be change. But the issue of aging politicians hanging on for dear life predates Trump. Many a politician has been seen trying to sneak by reporters in wheelchairs.

Heck, it is well known that Woodrow Wilson suffered a debilitating stroke while campaigning and his wife controlled all access. While there is debate about how much power she had, clearly for his last 17 months, he should not have been in charge of the country. At the time there was no 25th Amendment

FDR was in extremely poor health toward the end

Toward the end, Reagan wasn't himself

We all saw what happened to Biden

As I said, I wouldn't be opposed to changes on age limits of Congress critters, but I don't think it has a snowballs chance in hell of ever passing Congress or being ratified as an Amendment.

The closest chance you would have is calling a Constitutional Convention, but I suspect the powers that be would do everything possible to prevent that.
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I want to clarify my stance in all this....age is just a number and Bernie is a prime example of an aging politician who still has the energy to motivate and rally his base...however, there are those like a Ruth Gingberg, Diane Fienstien, etc. who refuse to leave their positions while gravely ill, prefering to die in office instead, those ppl should be FORCED OUT OF OFFICE IN MY OPINION. But my highest regards in all this, is that I am for TERM LIMITS, TERM LIMITS, TERM LIMITS REGARDLESS OF AGE. The power of term limits give those who make all these grand policies ideas into law, must in turn, live with those policies outside of Washington D.C once their time is up. When you have to live with the choices you made, things that now will effect you, you're more apt to think things out carefully and with a lasting purpose of what's good the country. Right now we have these gerrymandered lifers who'll never experience the Big Beautiful Bill or any of the shit Trumpism GOP lawmakes mandate into law.
 
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Tbird19482 said:
Maybe an upper limit on people we elect for Congress to wouldn't be a bad idea.
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Would this proposed structure apply to Democrats, too?


Grok:

  • Maxine Waters (D-CA): ~86–87 years old (one of the oldest Democrats in Congress).
  • Steny Hoyer (D-MD): ~85–86 years old.
  • Nancy Pelosi (D-CA): ~85–86 years old.
  • Jim Clyburn (D-SC): ~84–85 years old.
  • Danny K. Davis (D-IL): ~83–84 years old.
  • Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton (D-DC): ~87–88 years old (oldest House Democrat in some reports).

Other Democrats in the House around or above this threshold (often in the early-to-mid 80s) include figures like Rosa DeLauro (D-CT, ~82–83).
 
tigerred59 said:
I am for TERM LIMITS, TERM LIMITS, TERM LIMITS REGARDLESS OF AGE.
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Same.

Grok:

Congressional term limits cannot be enacted through ordinary legislation or state laws. The Supreme Court ruled in U.S. Term Limits, Inc. v. Thornton (1995) that states cannot impose additional qualifications (like term limits) on federal legislators beyond those in the Constitution.

Therefore, term limits require a constitutional amendment.


Article V Amendment Process​


Under Article V of the U.S. Constitution, there are two paths to propose an amendment:


  1. Congressional Proposal (the standard and most common path):
    • A joint resolution must pass by a two-thirds supermajority vote in both the House and the Senate.
    • It then goes to the states for ratification by three-fourths (38) of the state legislatures (or state conventions).
    • Congress decides the ratification mode and can set a time limit (often 7 years).
    • Multiple joint resolutions for congressional term limits (e.g., limiting House members to 6 terms and Senators to 2 terms) have been introduced in recent Congresses, including the 119th, but none have achieved the required 2/3 vote.
  2. Convention of States (alternative path):
    • If two-thirds (34) of state legislatures apply, Congress must call a convention to propose amendments.
    • Any term limits amendment proposed at the convention would still require ratification by 38 states.
    • This route bypasses the initial congressional vote on proposing the amendment, though Congress plays a ministerial role in calling the convention. Efforts by groups like U.S. Term Limits are pursuing this.

Key Points​


  • No simple majority or statute suffices — It must be a constitutional change.
  • Past attempts (e.g., in the 1990s under the Contract with America) passed with simple majorities in the House but fell short of 2/3 and never succeeded.
  • Any amendment would likely include a grandfather clause or effective date so it doesn't immediately affect current members.

In short, Congress has the primary gatekeeping role via a high-threshold vote in the usual process, which is why term limits proposals have repeatedly stalled despite public support. The convention path offers a workaround but has never been used for any amendment in U.S. history.
 
tigerred59 said:
I want to clarify my stance in all this....age is just a number and Bernie is a prime example of an aging politician who still has the energy to motivate and rally his base...however, there are those like a Ruth Gingberg, Diane Fienstien, etc. who refuse to leave their positions while gravely ill, prefering to die in office instead, those ppl should be FORCED OUT OF OFFICE IN MY OPINION. But my highest regards in all this, is that I am for TERM LIMITS, TERM LIMITS, TERM LIMITS REGARDLESS OF AGE. The power of term limits give those who make all these grand policies ideas into law, must in turn, live with those policies outside of Washington D.C once their time is up. When you have to live with the choices you made, things that now will effect you, you're more apt to think things out carefully and with a lasting purpose of what's good the country. Right now we have these gerrymandered lifers who'll never experience the Big Beautiful Bill or any of the shit Trumpism GOP lawmakes mandate into law.
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Actually I don't disagree with you that we now have a political class that doesn't suffer from the laws they pass. Unfortunately that is not a partisan issue.

I firmly believe that both parties like to keep the rest of us bickering over little shit while they just sit back and enrich themselves all the while having a good laugh at our expense.

I was never a fan of term limits, but after seeing these fossils hang around forever I am warming to the idea.

I don't think it will do anything about swamp critters finding their way into office, but maybe it will at least limit how much they enrich themselves and their families.

I am also in favor of a 5 year ban on lobbying, or sitting on boards of publicly traded companies for anyone who has served in federal office. Of course there will be those who say it is unconstitutional and it probably is

But, I am tired of these fuckers just enriching themselves and their families while fucking over the country
 
Grok: On February 20, 2025 (his 83rd birthday), McConnell announced he would not seek an eighth term in 2026 and plans to retire at the end of his current term.
 
Teflon Don said:
Actually I don't disagree with you that we now have a political class that doesn't suffer from the laws they pass. Unfortunately that is not a partisan issue.

I firmly believe that both parties like to keep the rest of us bickering over little shit while they just sit back and enrich themselves all the while having a good laugh at our expense.

I was never a fan of term limits, but after seeing these fossils hang around forever I am warming to the idea.

I don't think it will do anything about swamp critters finding their way into office, but maybe it will at least limit how much they enrich themselves and their families.

I am also in favor of a 5 year ban on lobbying, or sitting on boards of publicly traded companies for anyone who has served in federal office. Of course there will be those who say it is unconstitutional and it probably is

But, I am tired of these fuckers just enriching themselves and their families while fucking over the country
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No better words spoken here today.
 
tigerred59 said:
View attachment 86325 There's a reason these tired old pathetic politicians would rather die in office than return back to their home states, its because they know exactly how fucked up their states are. All because of their failed policies and political neglect. 41 years this bastard has been in office and his state, ie Kentuckkky ranks in the top ten when it comes to poverty. This whore is gonna need hospital care, where half the hospitals and clinics have closed in rural areas he may reside. These bastards don't want to return home, they know exactly whats instore these next 2 years of Trump and that Big Beautiful Bullshit Bill he voted for. If Karma is real, I hope to God he needs the care, that isn't there anymore thanks to his votes with Trump
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Oh look, it's the masked marauder.
 
Diogenes said:
Would this proposed structure apply to Democrats, too?


Grok:

  • Maxine Waters (D-CA): ~86–87 years old (one of the oldest Democrats in Congress).
  • Steny Hoyer (D-MD): ~85–86 years old.
  • Nancy Pelosi (D-CA): ~85–86 years old.
  • Jim Clyburn (D-SC): ~84–85 years old.
  • Danny K. Davis (D-IL): ~83–84 years old.
  • Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton (D-DC): ~87–88 years old (oldest House Democrat in some reports).

Other Democrats in the House around or above this threshold (often in the early-to-mid 80s) include figures like Rosa DeLauro (D-CT, ~82–83).
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Why not?
 
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