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Taichiliberal

Taichiliberal

Shaken, not stirred!
This is a classic!

Acting on a phone call by an upset parent, the FBI busted a plot to attack the White House Trump birthday nonsense that would have killed a lot of folk. Check it out, because already Little Smokey Vance is trying to blame the Democrats, which flies in the face of reality:

www.bbc.com

Group planned to attack White House UFC event using snipers and drones, FBI says

In newly unsealed court filings, the government says the group allegedly expressed grievances about corruption, the Epstein files, and data centres.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
 
Taichiliberal said:
This is a classic!

Acting on a phone call by an upset parent, the FBI busted a plot to attack the White House Trump birthday nonsense that would have killed a lot of folk. Check it out, because already Little Smokey Vance is trying to blame the Democrats, which flies in the face of reality:

www.bbc.com

Group planned to attack White House UFC event using snipers and drones, FBI says

In newly unsealed court filings, the government says the group allegedly expressed grievances about corruption, the Epstein files, and data centres.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
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How does it "fly in the face of reality"? Your article lists many of the same false grievances you and your ilk complain about here every day.
 
countryboy said:
How does it "fly in the face of reality"? Your article lists many of the same false grievances you and your ilk complain about here every day.
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🙄 So a white militia type group has false grievances. Fascinating. Here's what Litlle Smokey was saying yesterday;
www.yahoo.com

Vance warns left-wing political rhetoric fueling violence after FBI foils alleged White House UFC terror plot

JD Vance calls out left-wing violence after FBI disrupts alleged terror plot targeting the White House UFC event with explosive drones and a sniper team.
www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com

The group "Vanguard of the Old" is said to be made up of caucasian ex-military and extreme Christian types. Hardly the profile you and your brethren caste "lib'ruls' as.

And don't pretend that your Cheeto Jeezus administration doesn't scream vitriol against any and all of its perceived enemies.
 
Diogenes said:
So, which is it?
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What are you confused about? Clearly, the Fox Noise flunkies along with J.D. "little smokey" Vance are trying to spin a fantastic tale to exonerate all the vitriol from Cheeto Jeezus and his acolytes. Unfortunately for them, their policy actions and rhetoric has set off something they thought to either tamp down via a controlled media or just ignore. They were wrong.
 
Taichiliberal said:
What are you confused about? Clearly, the Fox Noise flunkies along with J.D. "little smokey" Vance are trying to spin a fantastic tale to exonerate all the vitriol from Cheeto Jeezus and his acolytes. Unfortunately for them, their policy actions and rhetoric has set off something they thought to either tamp down via a controlled media or just ignore. They were wrong.
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Is that so?
 
Taichiliberal said:
Did you actually READ the information in the links I provided to prove my claims? Try doing that before wasting time and space.
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Grok:

Your comment mixes some accurate context with spin that doesn't fully align with the unsealed court details or suspect statements.


Accurate Parts​


  • Yes, the FBI acted on a tip from Tycen Proper's mother (concerned about his gun purchases, online activity, and "homicidal ideations"). This helped disrupt the plot early.
  • The event was the UFC Freedom 250 on the White House South Lawn, tied to U.S. 250th anniversary events and President Trump's 80th birthday. No attack occurred.
  • Plans involved explosive-laden drones to create panic, followed by snipers on "high-value targets" (politicians, elites) and potential follow-on actions. Five arrested (Proper/Ohio, Roa/Thomas/California, others in Missouri/Nebraska); broader network of ~23 discussed via Signal.

Key Inaccuracies / Omissions​


  • "Trump birthday nonsense" framing: The group explicitly discussed the event as a target because it celebrated Trump's birthday on White House grounds—a symbol of the "elites" they opposed. Proper described it as a "jumpstart" to revolution by attacking the gathering.
  • Ideology doesn't match standard left/Democrat rhetoric: Court docs describe anti-government accelerationism ("tear down the U.S. to rebuild"), ultra-religious/Christian-based framing, grievances over Epstein files ("elites sacrifice/eat children"), data centers, "capitalist elites"/billionaires, and pro-Israel lobbying (AIPAC). Antisemitic elements and Hitler sympathy noted in family reports on Proper. One suspect (Michael Alan Thomas) viewed Trump as protecting the elites. This is syncretic fringe conspiracism—not mainstream Democratic talking points, identity politics, or organized left groups.
  • Vance's comments: He highlighted overheated political rhetoric contributing to violence (pointing more to the left currently) and praised law enforcement. This is partisan commentary, but the plotters' own words show anti-Trump/anti-elite conspiracism, not direct inspiration from typical Dem rhetoric. Domestic extremism often blends elements beyond neat partisan lines.

The plot was foiled quickly due to the mother's tip and multi-agency work (FBI, Secret Service, etc.). Ongoing probes may add more on motives.

Claims of "Fox Noise spin to exonerate vitriol" overlook that the suspects' documented grievances targeted the current administration's symbols and "elites" (including Trump ties to Epstein in their view).

This fits broader patterns of online radicalization via TikTok/Signal into hybrid anti-system extremism, not a clean "right-wing caused by left rhetoric" story.
 
Diogenes said:
Grok:

Your comment mixes some accurate context with spin that doesn't fully align with the unsealed court details or suspect statements.


Accurate Parts​


  • Yes, the FBI acted on a tip from Tycen Proper's mother (concerned about his gun purchases, online activity, and "homicidal ideations"). This helped disrupt the plot early.
  • The event was the UFC Freedom 250 on the White House South Lawn, tied to U.S. 250th anniversary events and President Trump's 80th birthday. No attack occurred.
  • Plans involved explosive-laden drones to create panic, followed by snipers on "high-value targets" (politicians, elites) and potential follow-on actions. Five arrested (Proper/Ohio, Roa/Thomas/California, others in Missouri/Nebraska); broader network of ~23 discussed via Signal.

Key Inaccuracies / Omissions​


  • "Trump birthday nonsense" framing: The group explicitly discussed the event as a target because it celebrated Trump's birthday on White House grounds—a symbol of the "elites" they opposed. Proper described it as a "jumpstart" to revolution by attacking the gathering.
  • Ideology doesn't match standard left/Democrat rhetoric: Court docs describe anti-government accelerationism ("tear down the U.S. to rebuild"), ultra-religious/Christian-based framing, grievances over Epstein files ("elites sacrifice/eat children"), data centers, "capitalist elites"/billionaires, and pro-Israel lobbying (AIPAC). Antisemitic elements and Hitler sympathy noted in family reports on Proper. One suspect (Michael Alan Thomas) viewed Trump as protecting the elites. This is syncretic fringe conspiracism—not mainstream Democratic talking points, identity politics, or organized left groups.
  • Vance's comments: He highlighted overheated political rhetoric contributing to violence (pointing more to the left currently) and praised law enforcement. This is partisan commentary, but the plotters' own words show anti-Trump/anti-elite conspiracism, not direct inspiration from typical Dem rhetoric. Domestic extremism often blends elements beyond neat partisan lines.

The plot was foiled quickly due to the mother's tip and multi-agency work (FBI, Secret Service, etc.). Ongoing probes may add more on motives.

Claims of "Fox Noise spin to exonerate vitriol" overlook that the suspects' documented grievances targeted the current administration's symbols and "elites" (including Trump ties to Epstein in their view).

This fits broader patterns of online radicalization via TikTok/Signal into hybrid anti-system extremism, not a clean "right-wing caused by left rhetoric" story.
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Since when do "ultra religious christians" advocate against the zionist state of Israel? the whole point of these clowns is to preserve Israel until Jesus comes back and converts or kills the Jewish inhabitants. So your blather essentially belies all the christo-fascist crap that has come out of the mouths of the Rep. House Speaker, the Vice President, Secty of Defense, etc., etc. That's a cornerstone that collapses your excuse/justification laden screed.

Your attempt to excuse Vance's rhetoric would be hysterical if not such a pathetic ploy.

Here's the thing, gumby; you idiots and your leadership thought they could just play their "base" for fools as they did everything that countermanded the very racist, anti-big government and corruption stories fed to the base. Essentially, factions of the "right wing" are becoming "woke" to what they've been really supporting. And brother, you ain't seen nothing yet until all the REAL antisemitism sets with the growing realization that our economy is screwed up due to fighting a war on Iran's behalf.

All your blather dances around and avoids, but can't debunk the FACTS of the OP. Now, run-a-long and repeat yourself or post some self-aggrandizing drivel like you usually do.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Since when do "ultra religious christians" advocate against the zionist state of Israel? the whole point of these clowns is to preserve Israel until Jesus comes back and converts or kills the Jewish inhabitants. So your blather essentially belies all the christo-fascist crap that has come out of the mouths of the Rep. House Speaker, the Vice President, Secty of Defense, etc., etc. That's a cornerstone that collapses your excuse/justification laden screed.

Your attempt to excuse Vance's rhetoric would be hysterical if not such a pathetic ploy.

Here's the thing, gumby; you idiots and your leadership thought they could just play their "base" for fools as they did everything that countermanded the very racist, anti-big government and corruption stories fed to the base. Essentially, factions of the "right wing" are becoming "woke" to what they've been really supporting. And brother, you ain't seen nothing yet until all the REAL antisemitism sets with the growing realization that our economy is screwed up due to fighting a war on Iran's behalf.

All your blather dances around and avoids, but can't debunk the FACTS of the OP. Now, run-a-long and repeat yourself or post some self-aggrandizing drivel like you usually do.
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Grok:


Taichiliberal's pushback highlights a real tension in Christian theology and politics, but it doesn't collapse the evidence from court documents on this specific group.

Christian Views on Israel: Not Monolithic​

  • Mainstream Christian Zionism (strong among many U.S. evangelicals): Yes, a large segment sees modern Israel's founding/existence as fulfilling biblical prophecy (return of Jews to the land as a precursor to end times, Second Coming, etc.). Support for Israel is often unconditional, tied to dispensationalist theology. This influences some Republican figures.
  • But counterexamples exist: Not all "ultra-religious Christians" are Zionists. There are:
    • Supersessionist/Replacement theology traditions (common in Catholicism, mainline Protestantism, some evangelicals): The Church fulfills Old Testament promises; modern Israel has no special divine mandate.
    • Fringe hybrids: Christian Identity (white nationalist, antisemitic, claiming whites are "true Israel"), certain accelerationist or apocalyptic groups, and growing skepticism among younger conservatives/populists ("America First" prioritizing U.S. interests over foreign aid). Reports note declining unconditional support even on the right, with critiques of AIPAC influence, wars, or perceived dual loyalty.
  • This group's "ultra-religious" self-description (per Proper's mother and affidavits) coexisted with explicit anti-Israel actions: Targeting politicians (e.g., Sen. Marsha Blackburn) specifically for "pro-Israel lobby" money and support. Grievances included AIPAC alongside Epstein conspiracies and "capitalist elites." Family reports noted antisemitic posts and Hitler sympathy. Mother said the group used religion to manipulate her son toward anti-government views.
This isn't mainstream "Christo-fascism" or standard evangelicalism—it's syncretic fringe stuff: ultra-religious language + conspiracism + accelerationism ("tear down to rebuild") + antisemitism. Court docs don't portray classic dispensationalist Zionism; they show opposition to it.

Broader Points​

  • Vance's rhetoric: He commented on overheated political climate enabling threats (common after plots). That's interpretive spin from all sides; the plotters' own words (anti-elite, anti-Trump-as-protector-of-elites, targeting his birthday event) stand independently. No need to "excuse"—facts are facts.
  • "Right-wing waking up" / antisemitism narrative: Some populist shifts critique Israel aid, neocons, or lobbying (overlaps with left critiques). But framing the entire plot as "right-wing factions becoming woke" ignores the suspects' documented conspiracism, not mainstream GOP policy. Domestic extremism often hybridizes (anti-government + conspiracies + selective religious elements) rather than fitting neat partisan boxes. Economy/foreign policy debates are separate from this foiled terror plot.
  • OP facts: The bust happened via a parent's tip + FBI work. No attack. Ideology per affidavits: anti-government accelerationism with religious overlay, Epstein obsession, anti-elite/anti-AIPAC targeting. Not a clean "leftist vs. rightist" story.
Ideologies evolve and splinter—Christian support for Israel has always had dissenters, and online radicalization (TikTok/Signal) produces eclectic mixes. This case fits hybrid domestic extremism more than partisan gotcha. Ongoing court proceedings will add details; primary sources (affidavits) remain the best anchor over commentary.
 
I don't know where Diogenes lifts his format from, but it's SO full of shit.....a collection of revisionism, supposition and conjecture and just plain old lies. Case in point:

www.pbs.org/newshour/show/what-is-christian-nationalism-and-why-it-raises-concerns-about-threats-to-democracy

www.blogs.timesofisrael.com/dispensationalism-christian-zionism-and-their-role-in-antisemitism-in-the-us-2/

That's just a cornerstone that when pulled collapses Diogene's screed. But he'll just regurgitate himself in some form or another. That's why I have no use in just giving him a platform. He's done.
 
Taichiliberal said:
I don't know where Diogenes lifts his format from, but it's SO full of shit.....a collection of revisionism, supposition and conjecture and just plain old lies. Case in point:

www.pbs.org/newshour/show/what-is-christian-nationalism-and-why-it-raises-concerns-about-threats-to-democracy

www.blogs.timesofisrael.com/dispensationalism-christian-zionism-and-their-role-in-antisemitism-in-the-us-2/

That's just a cornerstone that when pulled collapses Diogene's screed. But he'll just regurgitate himself in some form or another. That's why I have no use in just giving him a platform. He's done.
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Grok:

Taichiliberal's linked articles address broader debates on Christian nationalism and dispensationalist Christian Zionism, but they don't refute the court-documented details of this specific "Vanguard of the Old" group.


The Links Summarized​


  • PBS on Christian Nationalism: Discusses it as an ideology fusing Christianity with American identity/nationalism (e.g., U.S. as a "Christian nation," laws based on Christian values). It's a general 2024 piece on concerns about threats to democracy—not about this 2026 plot or these suspects.
  • Times of Israel on Dispensationalism/Christian Zionism: Argues that this theology (popular among some evangelicals) can contribute to antisemitism by treating Jews/Israel as prophetic tools for end-times scenarios, often with conditional support or conversion expectations. It critiques how it shapes U.S. policy and relations.

These are real theological/political debates with merit on all sides—Christian views on Israel range widely (strong Zionism in dispensationalist circles vs. supersessionism/replacement theology in other traditions, plus "America First" critiques of aid/lobbying). However, they don't map directly onto the suspects here.


What Court Docs Show for This Group​


  • Anti-Israel/AIPAC Focus: Proper and others explicitly targeted U.S. politicians (e.g., Sens. Marsha Blackburn, Tom Cotton) for accepting "pro-Israel lobby" money. They compiled lists from sites like TrackAIPAC.com. Potential targets included Netanyahu alongside Trump, Vance, and Musk.
  • Religious Framing: "Ultra-religious," "Christian-based," "ex-military" self-description. Religion reportedly used for recruitment/manipulation (per Proper's mother). Grievances mixed Epstein conspiracies ("elites sacrifice/eat children"), antisemitic elements (Proper's posts, Hitler sympathy per family), anti-government accelerationism ("tear down the U.S. to rebuild"), and "capitalist elites."
  • Not Pro-Zionist End-Times: No evidence in affidavits of dispensationalist prophecy about preserving Israel for Jesus' return. Instead, opposition to Israel support as part of the corrupt system. This contradicts standard Christian Zionist ideology.

This remains hybrid fringe extremism: conspiratorial accelerationism with selective religious language, not textbook Christian nationalism or dispensationalism.

Online radicalization (TikTok → Signal) frequently produces such eclectic, non-coherent mixes that borrow from multiple sources without fitting partisan or denominational boxes.


Broader arguments about rhetoric, "Christo-fascism," or shifts in evangelical views on Israel are worth discussing separately—but they don't change what the unsealed complaints say about these plotters' motivations. Primary sources (DOJ filings) over general articles or commentary. If more details drop from ongoing proceedings, the picture could sharpen further.
 
Taichiliberal said:
🙄 So a white militia type group has false grievances. Fascinating. Here's what Litlle Smokey was saying yesterday;
www.yahoo.com

Vance warns left-wing political rhetoric fueling violence after FBI foils alleged White House UFC terror plot

JD Vance calls out left-wing violence after FBI disrupts alleged terror plot targeting the White House UFC event with explosive drones and a sniper team.
www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com

The group "Vanguard of the Old" is said to be made up of caucasian ex-military and extreme Christian types. Hardly the profile you and your brethren caste "lib'ruls' as.

And don't pretend that your Cheeto Jeezus administration doesn't scream vitriol against any and all of its perceived enemies.
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I understand you are desperately trying to disseminate the official DNC issued talking point, but it is only effective on uninformed idiots. The rhetoric being spewed by this group could easily be printed on campaign material from the Bernie/Platner platform.

The goal was to "target capitalist elites or billionaires, or politicians who received donations from the American-Israeli Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC)"

Doesn't sound very " MAGA" to me.
 
countryboy said:
I understand you are desperately trying to disseminate the official DNC issued talking point, but it is only effective on uninformed idiots. The rhetoric being spewed by this group could easily be printed on campaign material from the Bernie/Platner platform.

The goal was to "target capitalist elites or billionaires, or politicians who received donations from the American-Israeli Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC)"

Doesn't sound very " MAGA" to me.
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Poor @Taichiliberal. If you keep questioning his assertions, he might announce that you're going to be placed on "ignore".
 
countryboy said:
I understand you are desperately trying to disseminate the official DNC issued talking point, but it is only effective on uninformed idiots. The rhetoric being spewed by this group could easily be printed on campaign material from the Bernie/Platner platform.

The goal was to "target capitalist elites or billionaires, or politicians who received donations from the American-Israeli Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC)"

Doesn't sound very " MAGA" to me.
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The first two words of your revisionist screed are a joke to anyone exposed to your nonsense in just this year.

Your supposition and conjecture aside, please document where either Sanders or Platner advocated violence. Also, you may note who is currently weaponizing the FBI, DOJ, FCC to threaten, intimidate, incarcerated or destroy anyone of prominence who dares publicly ridicule or criticize them (exp. Jimmy Kimmel, CBS 60 Minutes).

And liberals & Democrats aren't the only ones pissed about the Epstein files or this AIPAC control of our politicians.

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/05/16/poll-israel-aipac-gop-divides-trump-00919073

poll.qu.edu

63% Of Voters Disapprove Of The Trump Administration's Handling Of The Jeffrey Epstein Files, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Nearly Half Of Voters Would Consider Joining A Third Party, Just Not One Created By Elon Musk | Quinnipiac Univer

“Epstein has been dead and gone for years but his tawdry legacy looms large in a country wanting to know more about who he knew and whether secrets have been buried with him,” said Quinnipiac University Polling Analyst Tim Malloy.
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To dumb it down for you: white, conservative, anti-semetic, anti- immigrant, anti civil rights, deep state condpiracy folk are realizing that they are being screwed by the people the voted for. And as always, there are extremist who take that dugruntlement to the next level (ex., Luigi).

Got thst gumby?
 
Taichiliberal said:
This is a classic!

Acting on a phone call by an upset parent, the FBI busted a plot to attack the White House Trump birthday nonsense that would have killed a lot of folk. Check it out, because already Little Smokey Vance is trying to blame the Democrats, which flies in the face of reality:

www.bbc.com

Group planned to attack White House UFC event using snipers and drones, FBI says

In newly unsealed court filings, the government says the group allegedly expressed grievances about corruption, the Epstein files, and data centres.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
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Since the democrats are behind the plot - it makes perfect sense to blame the traitors..
 
Taichiliberal said:
To dumb it down for you: white, conservative, anti-semetic, anti- immigrant, anti civil rights, deep state condpiracy folk are realizing that they are being screwed by the people the voted for. And as always, there are extremist who take that dugruntlement to the next level (ex., Luigi).

Got thst gumby?
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Grok:


Taichiliberal's comment is a partisan attempt to frame the foiled White House/UFC drone plot as evidence of right-wing disillusionment with Trump, while shoehorning in stereotypes and an unrelated example (Luigi Mangione).

Context of the actual event​


The FBI and partners recently disrupted a plot targeting the UFC Freedom 250 event held at the White House (attended by President Trump).

Key details from court filings and reports:

  • Plotters allegedly planned explosive-laden drones to strike near the event (to create panic and funnel crowds toward exits) combined with snipers targeting "high-value targets" (including politicians seen as pro-Israel).
  • One key suspect (a 19-year-old Ohio teen, Tycen Proper) reportedly told investigators he wanted to "jump-start a revolution."
  • The group discussed grievances involving corruption, the Epstein files, and broader anti-government or accelerationist themes. A concerned mother’s tip about her son helped trigger the investigation, leading to arrests across states.
This was not a mainstream political protest but a fringe mass-casualty scheme stopped early.

The screed's claims and relevance (or lack thereof)​

Taichiliberal reduces the plot to: "White, conservative, anti-Semitic, anti-immigrant, anti-civil rights, deep state conspiracy" supporters of Trump realizing "they are being screwed" by him, with extremists like Luigi Mangione acting out. This is mostly rhetorical projection rather than analysis tied to the facts:

  • Stereotyping the plotters: Available details point to conspiracy-minded individuals with anti-government/accelerationist leanings (wanting chaos to "jump-start" upheaval), not a coherent "conservative" bloc. Grievances like Epstein files or "deep state" cut across fringes; they aren't exclusive to one side. Painting it as typical right-wing Trump-voter rage ignores the specific revolutionary rhetoric.
  • "Screwed by the people they voted for": This assumes the plotters were core Trump supporters now rebelling. Evidence doesn't support that. The timing (during a Trump-hosted UFC event) and targets suggest opposition to the administration or the system broadly, not buyer’s remorse from MAGA faithful. Many Trump critics (left or libertarian) also traffic in "deep state" or elite corruption talk.
  • Luigi Mangione as the example: This is a mismatch. Mangione is the suspect in the 2024 assassination of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson. He’s often portrayed in media and online as anti-corporate/anti-insurance-system (with notes referencing "delay, deny, depose"), from a privileged background, and with eclectic or left-leaning influences (e.g., following figures like AOC in some reports; not easily slotted as a right-wing conservative). Linking him to this drone plot (or generic "conservative" extremism) is a stretch—it's using one high-profile vigilante killing to smear an unrelated foiled terror plot as right-wing.
Overall relevance: The comment isn't explaining the drone plot on its own terms (fringe conspiracy-driven violence stopped by law enforcement). It's repurposing it for a culture-war narrative: Trump voters/supporters are inherently extremist and now fracturing violently.

This fits a pattern of attributing most domestic threats to one political side while downplaying others.

The screed simplifies a complex security incident into "dumbed down" tribal blame.
 
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