Nomad
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Exactly.Grok:
Subcontractors say they’re owed millions, face financial ruin, after helping build Obama Presidential Center
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T. A. Gardner
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Then Obama should be all up in that contractor's ass about paying the subs. After all, he hired the contractor to do a job and the contractor didn't do it. He hired subs and stiffed them. That comes back on Obama.
Nomad
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You must not understand delegation of authority.
Obama shouldn't be up in anyone's ass because he has people to handle those affairs.
Who runs the Obama Foundation?
How involved is Barack Obama in running The Obama Foundation?
Besides, Obama has no authority over the GC because they don't work for him.
Nomad
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Childish troll loses again.
FastLane
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The buck stops on his desk.
T. A. Gardner
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So, Trump runs his global business personally and is responsible for everything it does while Obama is too lazy and / or stupid to be able to run his personal business and has people delegated below him that are the ones responsible hum?
The Obama Presidential Center was billed as a lasting legacy to former President Barack Obama, and its construction was touted as an ambitious model built with aggressive goals for minority-owned and local businesses.
But now, some of the very subcontractors who helped build the 19.3-acre campus on Chicago’s South Side say they are facing financial ruin as they race to recover millions of dollars they claim remain unpaid ahead of the center's grand opening Friday. Overall construction costs were reported to be $830 million in 2021, and have likely climbed past the $1 billion mark.
Subcontractors say they’re owed millions, face financial ruin, after helping build Obama Presidential Center
Subcontractors claim millions in unpaid losses from Obama Presidential Center construction as the Chicago project prepares to open on Juneteenth.www.foxnews.com
Will the left slam Obama for not paying
I always take these stories with a grain of salt.
This smacks of the same shit the Marxists are constantly posting about Trump.
BTW, have they mounted Obama's essence as an all seeing eye yet?
That's not what you said when Trump was involved in a dispute.
I know,this is (D)ifferent.
T. A. Gardner
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I prefer the comparison to a Nazi flak tower. It seems so much more apropos.
And, I'm not the only one...
Obama’s Library: A Modern Flak Tower – California Globe
californiaglobe.com
Its distinctive architecture has led critics to compare it to a “Klingon prison” from Star Trek, an anti-aircraft defense tower, or even a mausoleum.
“It’s like a prison”: Reactions to Obama’s $850 million Center in Chicago, its imposing tower, and 19-acre campus - ProtoThema English
The creators’ intention was to build a “beacon” symbolizing hope and justice. However, the building’s appearance has led many to compare it to a fortress or even a science-fiction setting
en.protothema.gr
I prefer the comparison to a Nazi flak tower. It seems so much more apropos.
Lots of gunfire in that vicinity.
T. A. Gardner
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Then it's a good thing it's built like a bombproof bunker isn't it?
Nomad
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trump often boasted about his "hands on" approach to overseeing every detail.
Also, the long line of small sub contractors who've accused trump of stiffing them, say that it was trump himself who reneged on his promises, by finding bogus, unreasonable criticism of the finished product.
It never ceases to amaze normal people like me, how you MAGA cult zombies will stop at nothing to defend a guy who so obviously a grifter and con artist that you try to drag decent people like Obama down to trump's level.
You're all either incredibly stupid and gullible or you mold yourselves after your lying, grifter massa.
Nomad
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Because trump is a scumbag who personally grifted workers out of money he promised.
Obama had nothing to do with any of the contracting of his Presidential Center.
Indeed. It certainly resembles a Nazi-era fortification. I guess we'll find out if it's bulletproof as the years pass. I hope they don't have any maintenance woes like peeling surface coatings, leaks, algae in a pond or anything,
Grok:
SO MAD's characterization is overstated, one-sided, and not fully accurate.
It exaggerates Trump's role while overly insulating Obama.
On Trump
- Trump and his companies do have a well-documented history of payment disputes with contractors across multiple projects (casinos, hotels, towers, etc.) over decades. USA Today and other investigations documented 60+ lawsuits, hundreds of liens, and complaints from small businesses, suppliers, and workers alleging non-payment, under-payment, or prolonged legal fights.
- Trump was the principal owner/developer and personally involved at a high level. His companies often disputed bills citing poor quality, delays, or changes—standard hardball tactics in real estate, but the volume suggests a pattern. Some contractors went unpaid or settled for less, leading to real financial harm (e.g., cases from Atlantic City, Doral, DC hotel). Defenders note many disputes were negotiated or litigated, and Trump entities sometimes rehired the same firms.
- Calling him a "scumbag who personally grifted" is hyperbolic rhetoric. It was business leverage in a litigious industry where developers frequently renegotiate. Not every case was proven "grift," and bankruptcies/restructurings played a role. Still, the track record is legitimately criticized as tough on small contractors.
On Obama and the Presidential Center
- Obama personally had limited direct involvement in day-to-day contracting—that part is fair. The Obama Foundation (nonprofit) hired Lakeside Alliance (GC joint venture) to manage the project, and the Foundation states it paid them the agreed amount with no direct sub contracts.
- However, "had nothing to do with any of the contracting" is too absolute. As the namesake and public face, Obama and the Foundation set the vision, fundraising, goals (e.g., high diversity subcontracting targets), and oversight structure. The project had massive delays, cost overruns (to ~$850M+), and change orders that contributed to sub disputes. Subs are now pursuing payment through the GC, with some claiming losses in the millions.
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