Look what electing Democrats gets you
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T. A. Gardner
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More people die from being shot in a month in Chicago than there are transpeople. I think Pritzker has his priorities screwed up.
The claim is false.
It vastly understates the number of transgender people (primarily in the US) while overstating typical monthly gun deaths ("being shot" likely refers to fatal shootings/homicides) in Chicago.
Transgender Population
- US estimates: Recent data (Williams Institute, 2025; USAFacts) put the number at ~2.1–2.3 million adults identifying as transgender, plus ~724,000 youth (ages 13–17), for a total of over 2.8 million people ages 13+. This is roughly 0.8–1% of relevant age groups.
- Broader or global figures are higher but less relevant here; the claim appears aimed at the US context.
- These are self-identified individuals from large-scale surveys—not zero or a handful.
Chicago Gun Deaths ("Being Shot")
Chicago homicides are overwhelmingly gun-related (~80%+). Recent figures:- 2025: ~417 homicides (a historic low, ~60-year low for some periods). Average ~35 per month.
- 2026 YTD (as of late June): ~200–210 homicides through ~6 months, or roughly 33–35 per month on pace. Some months are lower (e.g., 36 in May), others higher.
- Non-fatal shootings add hundreds more victims monthly, but the claim specifies "die from being shot."
Comparison
- Monthly Chicago gun homicides: Typically 30–50.
- Total trans people (US): ~2–3 million.
- The claim fails by many orders of magnitude. A month of Chicago gun deaths does not exceed the total trans population (US or otherwise). Even annual Chicago totals (~400–800 in recent years) are a tiny fraction.
He's vry rich,
Tbird19482
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Electing a DEM gets us out of the Recessions / one almost a depression under Bush that Republicans run us into,
Fact is 10 out of the last 11 recessions were started under a Republican President.
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Yep Republicans get us into Recessions and Dems get us out of them .
That is what you get when you elect a DEM a recovered Economy that a Republican will screw up again, like Trump is doing now.
Fact is 10 out of the last 11 recessions were started under a Republican President.
How Many U.S. Recessions Began Under Each Party Since ...
Executive summary Since World War II, the clearest tally in mainstream reporting and institutional summaries is that 11 post‑war recessions have been dat...
That is what you get when you elect a DEM a recovered Economy that a Republican will screw up again, like Trump is doing now.
The post (forum #27) is a partisan defense of Democratic economic management, claiming Democrats rescue the economy from Republican-induced recessions.
Core Claim Evaluation
The specific factual assertion — "10 out of the last 11 recessions were started under a Republican President" — is broadly accurate according to National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) dating of business cycles and multiple analyses.- Post-WWII (roughly 11 recessions from the late 1940s/early 1950s through 2020): 10 began under Republican presidents (Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford/Reagan era overlaps, Bush Sr., Bush Jr. x2, Trump 2020). The main Democratic exception is often the 1980 recession under Carter.
- This pattern is widely cited across sources (Wikipedia summaries, Joint Economic Committee, academic papers like Blinder/Watson). Democrats have presided over far fewer recessionary quarters overall.
- Correlation ≠ causation. Presidents inherit economies (e.g., many recessions hit early in a new term). External shocks (oil crises, pandemics, Fed policy, global events) play huge roles. Republicans have held the White House more often in some periods, affecting exposure.
- Broader metrics show Democrats with stronger averages on GDP growth, job creation, and unemployment trends since WWII (e.g., ~3.5-4.2% avg. GDP growth under Dems vs. ~2.3-2.6% under GOP in various studies). But these are averages with exceptions, not guarantees.
- The linked factually.co article aligns with this tally.
Broader Context in the Thread
The thread title ("Look what electing Democrats gets you") and earlier posts appear to criticize Democratic priorities (e.g., trans issues vs. urban crime in Chicago, citing a Pritzker tweet). This post #27 pivots to economics as a counter. It's typical forum tit-for-tat.On "Trump is doing now" (2026 context)
As of mid-2026, this is more opinionated spin. Economic data shows resilience with challenges (tariffs, labor market softening, inflation concerns from various policies/wars), but forecasters are mixed on recession risk—not a clear "screw up" collapse. Job growth, GDP, and markets have had ups and downs; claims of disaster or roaring success are both exaggerated depending on the source.Overall Assessment
- Factual accuracy on recessions: High (the 10/11 stat holds up).
- Analytical depth: Low. Ignores nuances of causality, lags, Congress/Fed roles, and specific policy impacts.
- Tone: Standard partisan forum post — selective, triumphant, low-effort beyond linking one source.
- It's a common talking point in these debates. Useful reminder of historical patterns, but overstates presidential control and underplays trade-offs (e.g., deficits, regulation, long-term debt).
Recession History: Democrats vs Republicans | Shared Grok Conversation
Evaluate this post: https://www.justplainpolitics.com/threads/look-what-electing-democrats-gets-you.
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I doubt a family whose child was molested or robbed/raped/ etc. as a result of Democrat policies would be impressed by your stats, though.
I really doubt a murder victim would willingly trade "prosperity" for their lives, either.
Tbird19482
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Well facts are facts.The post (forum #27) is a partisan defense of Democratic economic management, claiming Democrats rescue the economy from Republican-induced recessions.
Core Claim Evaluation
The specific factual assertion — "10 out of the last 11 recessions were started under a Republican President" — is broadly accurate according to National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) dating of business cycles and multiple analyses.
Caveats on interpretation (important for a fair evaluation):
- Post-WWII (roughly 11 recessions from the late 1940s/early 1950s through 2020): 10 began under Republican presidents (Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford/Reagan era overlaps, Bush Sr., Bush Jr. x2, Trump 2020). The main Democratic exception is often the 1980 recession under Carter.
- This pattern is widely cited across sources (Wikipedia summaries, Joint Economic Committee, academic papers like Blinder/Watson). Democrats have presided over far fewer recessionary quarters overall.
The post's framing ("Republicans run us into [recessions]... Dems get us out") is a simplistic partisan narrative. Recovery often spans administrations, and expansions have occurred under both parties. The 2008-09 Great Recession started under Bush but the deep trough and initial recovery were under Obama. The 2020 COVID recession started under Trump but was followed by a sharp rebound under Biden.
- Correlation ≠ causation. Presidents inherit economies (e.g., many recessions hit early in a new term). External shocks (oil crises, pandemics, Fed policy, global events) play huge roles. Republicans have held the White House more often in some periods, affecting exposure.
- Broader metrics show Democrats with stronger averages on GDP growth, job creation, and unemployment trends since WWII (e.g., ~3.5-4.2% avg. GDP growth under Dems vs. ~2.3-2.6% under GOP in various studies). But these are averages with exceptions, not guarantees.
- The linked factually.co article aligns with this tally.
Broader Context in the Thread
The thread title ("Look what electing Democrats gets you") and earlier posts appear to criticize Democratic priorities (e.g., trans issues vs. urban crime in Chicago, citing a Pritzker tweet). This post #27 pivots to economics as a counter. It's typical forum tit-for-tat.
On "Trump is doing now" (2026 context)
As of mid-2026, this is more opinionated spin. Economic data shows resilience with challenges (tariffs, labor market softening, inflation concerns from various policies/wars), but forecasters are mixed on recession risk—not a clear "screw up" collapse. Job growth, GDP, and markets have had ups and downs; claims of disaster or roaring success are both exaggerated depending on the source.
Overall Assessment
Economic outcomes are influenced by far more than the president's party. Both sides cherry-pick these stats. For deeper dives, check NBER recession chronology directly.
- Factual accuracy on recessions: High (the 10/11 stat holds up).
- Analytical depth: Low. Ignores nuances of causality, lags, Congress/Fed roles, and specific policy impacts.
- Tone: Standard partisan forum post — selective, triumphant, low-effort beyond linking one source.
- It's a common talking point in these debates. Useful reminder of historical patterns, but overstates presidential control and underplays trade-offs (e.g., deficits, regulation, long-term debt).
Recession History: Democrats vs Republicans | Shared Grok Conversation
Evaluate this post: https://www.justplainpolitics.com/threads/look-what-electing-democrats-gets-you.
I doubt a family whose child was molested or robbed/raped/ etc. as a result of Democrat policies would be impressed by your stats, though.
I really doubt a murder victim would willingly trade "prosperity" for their lives, either.
Fact IS Republicans have run us into 10 out of the last 11 recessions.
Republicans run us into recessions and Dems get us back out and then a Republican runs us into another one.
And your boy Trump is running us into another one.
I noticed you avoided the points I mentioned.
I do understand why you chose to do that, of course.
Tbird19482
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What points the ones that show that Republicans fuck up the economy and the Dems are the ones that get it back on track.
Tbird19482
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I never did and won't my point has always been when you elect Dems they more then likely will have to turn our economy around because you stupid Republicans fucked it up.
And a look at the crimes you talk about may be a result of people needing jobs, money and help to put food on their tables help they are not getting from the Republicans.
I know, and I understand your reluctance to do so, as I said already.
Tbird19482
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Fact is if the Republicans would keep the economy going when they are handed a good one crime would go down.
Does a Good Economy Reduce Crime?
Property crime tends to fall with better economic conditions
Research shows that when people have more access to jobs, income, and economic opportunity, property crime — which makes up more than 80% of all crimes — often declines. This is because economic desperation is a major driver of theft, burglary, and other property offenses. Policies that reduce material hardship, such as job creation or income support programs, can lower property crime rates
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