Archaeology of the New Testament

[Cypress]

It was pretty silly of you to claim that the laws of Nature prevent anything from being random, e.g. the distribution of matter and energy throughout the universe.

Stars, gas, and dust are organized by gravitational fields into solar systems, galaxies, local groups, clusters, super clusters, filaments, and voids.

We can predict that the Milky Way galaxy will collide with the Andromeda galaxy in about two billion years precisely because their motions are not random.

 

[Jerry Mathers]

Stars, gas, and dust are organized by gravitational fields into solar systems, galaxies, local groups, clusters, super clusters, filaments, and voids.

We can predict that the Milky Way galaxy will collide with the Andromeda galaxy in about two billion years precisely because their motions are not random.

can you verify this output?

no system can verify its own output.

it must be verified from outside the system.

 

[Cypress]

can you verify this output?
no system can verify its own output!

You just singlehandedly eliminated the the disciplines of neuroscience, biochemistry, genetics, cellular biology, psychology, physiology, and psychiatry.

 

[Jerry Mathers]

You just singlehandedly eliminated the the disciplines of neuroscience, biochemistry, genetics, cellular biology, psychology, physiology, and psychiatry.

no.
I broke your delusion with reality, stupid fuck.

see GODEL's paper.

look it up, you dumb fucking idiot.

this is why the mark to model that wall street wanted is also delusional, stupid banker cocksucker.

 

[Into the Night]

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You can't laugh your way out of your illiteracy, Cyborg.

 

[Into the Night]

I believed the universe was marvelously organized

The Universe is unorganized. It doesn't matter what you believe.

and mathematically rational

Buzzword fallacy.

when I was an agnostic flirting with atheism

You are not an atheist.

studying physics and astronomy in college.

Physics is not a college.
Astronomy is not a college.

Science doesn't explain. Science describes.

Science is a set of falsifiable theories. A theory is an explanatory argument.

The origin,

How do you know the Universe has an origin?

order,

The Universe is unorganized. It has no order.

and lawfullnes of the universe

The Universe is not a law.

is not a gap.

The Universe is not a gap.

It's a philosophical question;

The Universe is not a question.
The Universe is not philosophy.

a question of logic.

Philosophy is not logic.
The Universe is not logic.

As for the order and rational intelligibility of the universe, are free to think you and IntoTheNight are correct - and that Albert Einstein, Stephen Hawking, and me are wrong.

You don't get to speak for the dead. Omniscience fallacy.
There is no order of the Universe.
The Universe is not a 'rational'.
The Universe is not sentient.
The Universe is not an opinion.

The Universe is unorganized.

 

[Into the Night]

Every electron, every quark, every photon in the universe precisely obeys a universal set of rationally intelligible rules.

...deleted random equations...

The Universe is not an electron.
The Universe is not a quark.
The Universe is not a photon.
There is not 'universal law'.
The Universe is not an equation.

The Universe is unorganized.

 

[ZenMode]

I believed the universe was marvelously organized and mathematically rational when I was an agnostic flirting with atheism studying physics and astronomy in college.

Uh huh.. Sure.

Science doesn't explain. Science describes.

The origin, order, and lawfullnes of the universe is not a gap. It's a philosophical question; a question of logic.

Or, in your case, a religious question which is what you are c o n s t a n t l y trying to justify.

As for the order and rational intelligibility of the universe, are free to think you and IntoTheNight are correct - and that Albert Einstein, Stephen Hawking, and me are wrong.

Not wrong. Again, this is all God of the Gaps stuff. You're falling into the same trap as men who killed animals to change the weather and drilled holes in peoples' heads to release demons.

 

[Into the Night]

iBDaMann: "The motions of particles are random but determined!"

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Stop misquoting.
Stop making shit up.

 

[Into the Night]

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Lie. Synthesis.

 

[Into the Night]

You just singlehandedly eliminated the the disciplines of neuroscience, biochemistry, genetics, cellular biology, psychology, physiology, and psychiatry.

YARP. He is not talking about any of these subjects, Cyborg.
Stop misquoting.

 

[Into the Night]

Uh huh.. Sure.

Or, in your case, a religious question which is what you are c o n s t a n t l y trying to justify.

Not wrong. Again, this is all God of the Gaps stuff. You're falling into the same trap as men who killed animals to change the weather

Yet you believe that killing animals can change the weather.
What is 'the Gap'?
What is this 'God of the Gaps' you keep saying exists?

You have very strange religions.

and drilled holes in peoples' heads to release demons.

You drill holes in people's heads too? Did you know that's generally illegal? The only exception is for surgical reasons.

 

[ZenMode]

Yet you believe that killing animals can change the weather.

Derp.

What is 'the Gap'?

RQAA

What is this 'God of the Gaps' you keep saying exists?

RQAA

You have very strange religions.

Derp.

You drill holes in people's heads too?

Derp.

Did you know that's generally illegal?

Derp.

The only exception is for surgical reasons.

Derp.

 

[Into the Night]

Derp.

RQAA

RQAA

Derp.

Derp.

Derp.

Derp.

Can't keep track of the conversation again, eh?
DON'T TRY TO CLAIM A POST YOU NEVER MADE!

 

[ZenMode]

Can't keep track of the conversation again, eh?

There is no conversation.

DON'T TRY TO CLAIM A POST YOU NEVER MADE!

The god of the gaps discussion and description came up in this thread, several times.

Go back and read them.

 

[Jerry Mathers]

give gap, take gap.

 

[Cypress]

Or, in your case, a religious question which is what you are c o n s t a n t l y trying to justify.

I started out with an agnostic belief when I became acutely aware how physics and astronomy showed the universe was marvelously organized and lawful. Inexplicably organized as Einstein would say.

Of course it means something, even if we don't exactly know what it means.

Ultimately, after years of reflection I just couldn't convince myself that the best explanation for an organized, lawful, mathematically rational universe would be an irrational, inanimate, random cause. That's logically incoherent.

You've had three thousand posts to convince me the cause of the universe was irrational, inanimate, random chance and you've avoided the topic like it's the plague.

Not wrong. Again, this is all God of the Gaps stuff. You're falling into the same trap as men who killed animals to change the weather and drilled holes in peoples' heads to release demons.

God of the gaps is just a turn of phrase atheists invented.

There are no gaps. Science doesn't explain anything. Science describes.

The ultimate explanation for what caused the origin of the universe, what caused the mathematical laws of physics, what caused the fundamental forces and physical constants, what caused the fine tuning is a question of logic and philosophy. It's not a scientific question.

 

[Into the Night]

There is no conversation.

Not with YOU anymore!

The god of the gaps discussion and description came up in this thread, several times.

And you never defined it.
It guess it's just a mindless buzzphrase for you to chant.

 

[Into the Night]

I started out with an agnostic belief when I became acutely aware how physics and astronomy showed the universe was marvelously organized and lawful. Inexplicably organized as Einstein would say.

The Universe is not a law.
The Universe is not physics.
The Universe is not astronony.

The Universe is unorganized.

Of course it means something, even if we don't exactly know what it means.

Void argument fallacy.

Ultimately, after years of reflection I just couldn't convince myself that the best explanation for an organized, lawful, mathematically rational universe would be an irrational, inanimate, random cause. That's logically incoherent.

The Universe is not a law.
The Universe is not mathematics.
The Universe is not a division.
The Universe is not sentient.
The Universe is a perfect random number generator.

Redefinition fallacy. Inversion fallacy.

The Universe is unorganized.

You've had three thousand posts to convince me the cause of the universe was irrational, inanimate, random chance and you've avoided the topic like it's the plague.

Argument from randU fallacy.
The Universe is not a cause.
The Universe is not a division.
The Universe is not sentient.
The Universe is not a probability.
The Universe is not a disease.

Math error: Failure to declare boundary. Failure to declare randX.

The Universe is unorganized.

God of the gaps is just a turn of phrase atheists invented.

ZenMode is not an atheist. He invented the phrase. I has no apparent meaning.

There are no gaps. Science doesn't explain anything. Science describes.

Science is a set of falsifiable theories.
A theory is an explanatory argument.
The Universe is not a theory.

The Universe is unorganized.

The ultimate explanation for what caused the origin of the universe, what caused the mathematical laws of physics, what caused the fundamental forces and physical constants, what caused the fine tuning is a question of logic and philosophy. It's not a scientific question.

How do you know the Universe has an origin?
Every single law of physics was created by a human being.
Every single 'fundamental force' is named by a human being.
Every single physical constant is created by a human being.
Logic was created by human beings.
Philosophy was created by human beings.
Science was created by human beings.

Science is not a question.

The Universe is not 'tuned'.
The Universe is not an engine or a musical instrument.

The Universe is not mathematics.
The Universe is not a law.
The Universe is not a force.
The Universe is not a constant.
The Universe is not logic.
The Universe is not philosophy.
The Universe is not science.
The Universe is not a question.

The Universe is unorganized.

 

[ZenMode]

I started out with an agnostic belief when I became acutely aware how physics and astronomy showed the universe was marvelously organized and lawful. Inexplicably organized as Einstein would say.

How you started is irrelevant. It's where you are now that matters. Where you are now is at the point where you believe in, or want to justify believing in, some god.

Of course it means something, even if we don't exactly know what it means.

Ultimately, after years of reflection I just couldn't convince myself that the best explanation for an organized, lawful, mathematically rational universe would be an irrational, inanimate, random cause. That's logically incoherent.

You use words to justify what you want to believe. Organized, lawful, mathematically rational, irrational, inanimate, etc

You've had three thousand posts to convince me the cause of the universe was irrational, inanimate, random chance and you've avoided the topic like it's the plague.

I have never tried to convince you of anything except that it is more honest, intellectually and otherwise, to say you don't know than it is to create fairytale creatures.

God of the gaps is just a turn of phrase atheists invented.

God of the Gaps is an accurate description of what man has done throughout time.

"Atheist" shouldn't even be a word and while my beliefs are most closely aligned with atheism, I don't believe in the concept of atheism any more than I believe in the necessity for a word for people who don't believe in astrology or alchemy. Either we consider evidence and reason or we don't.

There are no gaps. Science doesn't explain anything. Science describes.

You're playing word games.

The ultimate explanation for what caused the origin of the universe, what caused the mathematical laws of physics, what caused the fundamental forces and physical constants, what caused the fine tuning is a question of logic and philosophy. It's not a scientific question.

Then why do you keep referencing scientists to support your beliefs that the universe is organized, rational, etc?