Archaeology of the New Testament

think for yourselves, neocon shit eaters.

tell me how globalization and AI aren't awful.

they both suck a millions cocks and are satanic.

thanks for playing.

you;re all going to hell.

nobody can say they did not know.
 
Cypress said:
A tire is not the universe.

If you can precisely explain scientifically what consciousness is and what causes it, then we can use that word as an explanatory mechanism. Otherwise, I'm under no obligation to use poorly understood and poorly defined words. I'm going to use plain English words for which there are simple universal definitions.
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It's not about about the tire. It's about the understanding that being able to explain something AFTER THE FACT, does not mean that the event was put into motion by a conscious being. The movement of the tire can be explained after the fact. That doesn't mean that a conscious being put the wheel in motion or was orchestrating the tire's movement, right?

You're basically saying that all of the equations that explain the universe were pre-made and implemented by a god of some sort. Like a god said "I'm going to create this event and this equation will be how it's explained."
 
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ZenMode said:
It's not about about the tire. It's about the understanding that being able to explain something AFTER THE FACT, does not mean that the event was put into motion by a conscious being. The movement of the tire can be explained after the fact. That doesn't mean that a conscious being put the wheel in motion or was orchestrating the tire's movement, right?

You're basically saying that all of the equations that explain the universe were pre-made and implemented by a god of some sort. Like a god said "I'm going to create this event and this equation will be how it's explained."
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Since you cannot precisely scientifically explain consciousness or what causes it, I have no obligation to use the word as an explanatory cause for the universe. It's too poorly defined and understood. As far as I know, consciousness is unique to human beings.

If you want to believe a mathematical scaffolding underlying the universe in the form of universal laws, principles, constants just popped into existence and was caused by something irrational and inanimate, that's your choice.

I find that logically incoherent, because I cannot logically make myself believe the rational and lawful is caused by the irrational and inanimate.
 
ZenMode said:
It's not about about the tire. It's about the understanding that being able to explain something AFTER THE FACT, does not mean that the event was put into motion by a conscious being. The movement of the tire can be explained after the fact. That doesn't mean that a conscious being put the wheel in motion or was orchestrating the tire's movement, right?

You're basically saying that all of the equations that explain the universe were pre-made and implemented by a god of some sort. Like a god said "I'm going to create this event and this equation will be how it's explained."
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nor can even the most accurate computer predict precisely how it would fall down a mountain, even with infinite Compute.
 
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Cypress said:
Since you cannot precisely scientifically explain consciousness or what causes it, I have no obligation to use the word as an explanatory cause for the universe. It's too poorly defined and understood. As far as I know, consciousness is unique to human beings.

If you want to believe a mathematical scaffolding underlying the universe in the form of universal laws, principles, constants just popped into existence and was caused by something irrational and inanimate, that's your choice.

I find that logically incoherent, because I cannot logically make myself believe the rational and lawful is caused by the irrational and inanimate.
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You want to believe that some kind of conscious being, when designing the universe, pre-made all the math/physics concepts and calculations that explain the movement of a tire that came off of a car, right?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Yes. A conscious being created the tire, drove the car and either crashed breaking the tire off or failed to tighten the lugnuts.

That said, I think you argument is to denounce that the creation of the Universe was by an intelligence. That's a great unknown. While I believe there is a power behind the creation of the Universe and that this power exists beyond the natural universe, it's impossible to know it's exact nature. We can only guess.

My guess is that it is not an elderly white man sitting on a golden throne surrounded by angels singing hosannas or 72 virgins.
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yes.

you're a delusional mason who believes in lucifer.

you literally worship Satan and he is your God.
 
Melchizedek=Tecumseh said:
Matter didn't exist before the Big Bang!
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Unknown. At one time the prevailing theory was "the Oscillating Universe" which would allow for matter to exist before the Big Bang, at least in some form. Modern tech has shown that the Universe is not only expanding, but accelerating in expanding. The end of the Universe will likely be a state of complete entropy. The Big Chill AKA Heat Death.

"Exploring The Mysteries Of The Universe: A Comprehensive Overview Of Modern Cosmology"
 
ZenMode said:
Nope. The tire was not pushed off of the car by a person.

The movements of the tire were not orchestrated by a conscious being.
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How do you know? If the car was just sitting there, do you really think the tire would spontaneously launch itself into flight?

A conscious being made the tire. A conscious being did something that induced to tire to fly off either intentionally or unintentionally. You are bogging yourself down in your own flawed analogy.
 
ZenMode said:
We've been through this before.... we don't have free will.
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You're free to believe you are a robot with no responsibility for your own actions. Tyler Robinson and Luigi Mangione are finding out the hard way that human society disagrees with you.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
How do you know? If the car was just sitting there, do you really think the tire would spontaneously launch itself into flight?

A conscious being made the tire. A conscious being did something that induced to tire to fly off either intentionally or unintentionally. You are bogging yourself down in your own flawed analogy.
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I was referring to a car in motion... driving down the street.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
You're free to believe you are a robot with no responsibility for your own actions. Tyler Robinson and Luigi Mangione are finding out the hard way that human society disagrees with you.
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Free will and consequences for ones actions aren't the same thing.

If someone has the brain of a serial killer, they should be locked away, regardless of whether or not they are free to make choices regarding their actions.
 
Cypress said:
"Quantum electrodynamics (QED), quantum field theory of the interactions of charged particles with the electromagnetic field."
~ Encyclopedia Britannica​


"Quantum chromodynamics (QCD) is the theory that explains how quarks and gluons interact through the strong force to produce larger subatomic particles such as protons and neutrons."
~ U.S. Department of Energy​
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There is no such thing as 'quantum electrodynamics'.
There is no such thing as 'quantum field theory'.
There is no such thing as 'quantum field'.

There is no such thing as 'quantum chromodynamics'.

Science is not an encyclopedia.
Science is not a government agency.
 
ZenMode said:
I was referring to a car in motion... driving down the street.
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Driven by a robot made by a conscious being or simply by a conscious being? The speed of the car is chosen, directly or indirectly, by a conscious being. The failure of the tire assembly was due to a failure of design, improper maintenance and/or abuse by the driver. Regardless, at several points between the time the tire was manufactured to the point where it was launched into the air, a conscious human being was involved.

Overall, it's a flawed analogy for you to attempt to prove the Universe can come into existence randomly.

Worse, you continue to believe you are simply a soulless meat robot who can't choose to not rape, murder or steal since you have no free will. You are also a science denier who believes the Universe is chaotic and without rules. Your choice.
 
Jerry Mathers said:
think for yourselves, neocon shit eaters.
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What is a 'neocon shit eater'??
Jerry Mathers said:
tell me how globalization and AI aren't awful.
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This is two questions:

International sales benefit both the buyer and the seller. The buyer gets to obtain an imported product, and the seller gets to export his product and make the sale.

AI is a useful tool. You already admitted this yourself. Now you are back to mindlessly chanting 'AI is awful' without ever explaining why, and even contradicting yourself.
Jerry Mathers said:
they both suck a millions cocks and are satanic.
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Satan does not want trade. He wants tyranny.
Satan does not want AI. He wants illiteracy.
Jerry Mathers said:
thanks for playing.

you;re all going to hell.
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So now you quote the Prose Erda. Satan is not in the Prose Erda.
Jerry Mathers said:
nobody can say they did not know.
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Void argument fallacy.
 
ZenMode said:
Free will and consequences for ones actions aren't the same thing.

If someone has the brain of a serial killer, they should be locked away, regardless of whether or not they are free to make choices regarding their actions.
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You've already admitted you can't control yourself. That you cannot choose since you have no free will.
 
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