Everyone understands that Socialism is not Communism, right?

[IBDaMann]

trump himself doesn't know that, but as long as he says it his sheep will believe it.

As long as leftists can content themselves inside their echo chamber with things Trump has said, they can take their minds off the fact that Trump's actions make the country and the world much, much better.

 

[IBDaMann]

1. The Means of Production

Socialism: Major industries (like healthcare, energy, and transportation) are collectively owned and managed by the state or the public, while individuals can still own private property, homes, and small businesses.

Communism: All private property and means of production are eliminated. Everything is owned by the community as a whole, and resources are distributed by a central authority based strictly on individual need.

Stupid. You just said:

Socialism: everything owned and managed by the State
Communism: everything owned and managed by the State

The difference between Communism and Socialism is that Communism is impossible to achieve.

2. Compensation and Wealth

Socialism: Citizens are compensated based on their individual contributions and the level of effort they put into the economy.

Nope. Socialism: all peers are paid the same. There is no motivation to put in extra effort.

Communism: Governed by the principle: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs," compensation is not based on individual output but on what a person requires to survive and thrive.

Nope. Communism is not possible and thus has never existed. Otherwise, there would be no compensation because there is no money or legal tender. The idea of compensation within Communism is purely theoretical.

3. Political Transition and Strategy

Socialism: Socialism operates on a flexible, often democratic framework.

Nope. Socialism is nothing less than a hostile takeover by a tyrannical oligarchy.

Socialists believe in achieving economic equality through gradual reform,

Nope. Socialists belive in seizing total power immediately, and thereafter is of little importance; in fact, the economy could collapse for all they care, as long as they have complete power.

high taxation on the wealthy,

i.e. drain power from the wealthy (who are not in the oligarchy) and transfer that wealth and power to the oligarchy.

and robust social welfare programs

Nope. Let the poor starve. Destroy the economy. Make the people flee. How did you miss this?

Communism: Communists believe that a violent, working-class revolution is necessary to overthrow capitalism.

Except that is the Socialism phase, or didn't you finish the reading assignment. For this reason, and because oligarchies who seize power never step down to turn everything over to Communism, Communists oppose the necessary Socialism phase of transition.

The ultimate goal is the dismantling of the state apparatus entirely,

The ultimate goal is to seize power. All of it.

resulting in a completely classless, stateless society ... that flees the destroyed economy for a sliver of hope somewhere else.

FTFY

 

[Jarod]

Democrat Party = Democratic Socialism = Social Democracy = Socialism

False

 

[Jarod]

You do realize that you have no idea what those differences are, right?

I do, as described above. Communism is a centrally planned economy with noting privately owned.

Socialism is an economic system, where the government ensures citizens get basic human needs, and the economy is mostly private owned. There are generally no fully owned government enterprises but some are highly managed.

Public education is a socialist system in the USA almost completely owned and managed by the government, for the benefit of the nation and its people m.

The power companies in the US are generally a hybrid socialist system with private and public elements.

I could go on.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I do, as described above. Communism is a centrally planned economy with noting privately owned.

That is just a more virulent version of Socialism.

Socialism is an economic system, where the government ensures citizens get basic human needs, and the economy is mostly private owned. There are generally no fully owned government enterprises but some are highly managed.

What you are describing is a form of Socialism called Statist Capitalism. It is still Socialism and the government still controls most of the economy.

Public education is a socialist system in the USA almost completely owned and managed by the government, for the benefit of the nation and its people m.

Much to the detriment of society I might add.

The power companies in the US are generally a hybrid socialist system with private and public elements.

More Statist Capitalism.

Here's a decent essay on it:

Capitalism versus Statism | Mises Institute

"[I]f the glorious public sector, if expanded government, has brought us to this pretty pass, perhaps the answer is to roll government back, to return to the

mises.org

 

[Noking]

Are you pushing a fantasy structure that has never existed in any modern nation?

Do you recognize how terrible that society would be with no roads, hospitals, police, army, beyond what individual rich provided for themselves?

Poor TAG, such a lost soul.

 

[Noking]

Leftists have been programmed to love words that they don't understand, and to worship them to the destruction of society.

Oh dear me, tell me that this isn't true.

 

[Lionfish]

 

[Noking]

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What would we get if wannabe dictator Crazy Trump could get 100% his way?????

 

[Lionfish]

What would we get if wannabe dictator Crazy Trump could get 100% his way?????

 

[Noking]

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You poor pathetic lost soul, you just can't understand that wannabe dictator Crazy Trump is just what our forefathers didn't want.

 

[Jarod]

What you are describing is a form of Socialism called Statist Capitalism. It is still Socialism and the government still controls most of the economy.

No I was describing a system where the government controls only a small portion of the economy.

 

[QP!]

No I was describing a system where the government controls only a small portion of the economy.

@T. A. Gardner is so far off the reservation that he is arguing that the core difference between Bernie's Democratic Socialism and the current from of corporate Democracy we have lived under for decades now, is that Democratic Socialism has forced taxation (he calls theft), but he argues corporate Democracy does not as long as you pay on time and properly.

Yes he is actually arguing that as the one and only real distinction he has been able to craft.

Fact is Bernie's version of DS and what Trump was pitching but did not deliver only differ in how they prioritize the spending of the money they tax. Currently Trump is calling for a MASSIVE increase in the Military budget while ballooning debt. Dem Socialist need not take any more money than the current Trump gov't and just instead prioritize a big chunk of military budget and ICE, etc to the Populist issues Trump promised but did not deliver.

 

[Lionfish]

You poor pathetic lost soul, you just can't understand that wannabe dictator Crazy Trump is just what our forefathers didn't want.

 

[Lionfish]

 

[Lionfish]

 

[IBDaMann]

False

Too funny! Your deep denial is very entertaining.

Why aren't you able to identify any substantive differences?

Way too funny.

 

[IBDaMann]

Oh dear me, tell me that this isn't true.

Come back to reality.

What would we get if wannabe dictator Crazy Trump could get 100% his way?????

A wannabee dictator is necessarily not a dictator,.

Why do you mistakenly focus on someone you acknowledge is not a dictator and ignore the entire DNC apparatus of tyranny?

At least it will come as no surprise to you that you have no credibility.

 

[Jarod]

Too funny! Your deep denial is very entertaining.

Why aren't you able to identify any substantive differences?

Way too funny.

I have done so quite a few times. Additionally it’s all over any education website.

 

[IBDaMann]

I do, as described above.

All erroneous.

Communism is a centrally planned economy with noting privately owned.

What examples can you cite?

Socialism is an economic system,

Nope, but then again, you don't know anything about economics.

A tyrannical oligarchy is an ideologically driven political system, and you should not have dropped out of school.

where the government ensures citizens get no more than basic human needs, but often not even that.

FTFY

, and the economy is mostly private owned.by the oligarchy

FTFY

There are generally no fully owned government enterprises but some are highly managed.

The oligarchy claims it all in any case.

Public education is a socialist system in the USA

It's a complete failure.

almost completely run into the ground by the government, to the detriment of the nation and its people

FTFY

The power companies in the US are generally a hybrid socialist system with private and public elements.

So you were taught that government oversight is socialism? ... and you never called booooooolsc't?

I could go on.

Please do.