Everyone understands that Socialism is not Communism, right?

[Into the Night]

You're the one who brought-up your sexual fantasies, and not me bringing up mine; I just tried to direct you in the right direction so that you can resolve you your issues.

Inversion fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

I suggest you ask one of your imaginary friends.

What imaginary friends??

Communism is more virulent.

It does tend to be.

In Socialism the government taxes you and says "Pay or else."

Taxes themselves are not socialism.

In Communism, the government takes what you have at the end of the barrel of a gun and says, "We will give you some stuff soon..."

This is correcct. Communism is government ownership of markets.

In Fascism, the government taxes you heavily and if you don't pay, you disappear. The government tells others, "Don't ask questions because you might get the same answer..."

Redefinition fallacy.
Fascism is not taxation.

Fascism is government manipulation of markets. It may not even involve taxes at all.
Fascism is government telling you who you must hire, who you must fire, what your product will sell for, implements burdensome regulations on your product, etc.

Under fascism, you still took the risk to create a business, but government tells you how to run it.
Under communism, you don't own the business anymore. The government does.

The government does not know your business. It does not know your market. This is another reason by socialism fails.

Example: The disaster of state run grocery stores in NYC. The disaster of a building modified by Mandani. The disaster of the SDTC handling of oil refining, building construction, shipping, high tech, real estate, water supplies, power supplies, and agriculture.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

No I was describing a system where the government controls only a small portion of the economy.

If the government can dictate to industry what can and cannot be made, or how things have to be done, the government is controlling industry.

 

[Into the Night]

In our current Corporate Democracy the government taxes you and says "Pay or else."

The United States was never a democracy, Kewpie.

 

[Into the Night]

No? You can opt out of paying taxes in the current Corporate Democracy we have? You do not have to pay? Is that really your position, Terry?

The United States was never a democracy.

Saying "as long as you pay them honestly" is still being FORCED to pay Terry. If you honestly pay all your taxes in a Socialist system you also have no issues with the government.

Oddly enough, Kewpie, taxes generally result from a vote.

Your attempts to spin and lie to try and create differences are failing badly Terry. So spin your next lie. i am ready.

Inversion fallacy. You are describing yourself.

Taxes are not socialism.

 

[Into the Night]

Corporate democracy?

It's a buzzword.

What do you think happens under communist regimes?

Communism isn't a form of government.

I assume you mean something like Cuba, where socialism prevails, or NYC, where socialism prevails.

 

[Into the Night]

In pure Capitalism there is no taxation. Everyone makes their own deals between buyer and seller.

There is no such thing as 'pure capitalism'. There is just capitalism.
Taxes may occur under capitalism. Capitalists may vote to impose them for some purpose, such as organizing the construction or improvement of a public roadway (built by capitalists).

 

[Noking]

Come back to reality.

A wannabee dictator is necessarily not a dictator,.

Why do you mistakenly focus on someone you acknowledge is not a dictator and ignore the entire DNC apparatus of tyranny?

At least it will come as no surprise to you that you have no credibility.

If I don't have any credibility with the feeble minded Magatards, that's alright with me.

 

[Into the Night]

Isn't this a rule 16 violation, you just changed the meaning of what I posted without indicating that you changed it.

No, moron. He didn't change what little meaning you had in your post at all.

 

[Into the Night]

Are you taking back your 'no' and no longer claiming that you can refuse to pay taxes in the current US democracy? Or do you maintain taxes are optional?

The United States was never a democracy, Kewpie.
Taxes are not socialism.

 

[Into the Night]

Yes the US system has been a corporate focused democracy for decades now as opposed to a populist democracy (democratic socialist) one.

The United States was never a democracy, Kewpie.
Democrats don't want a democracy. They want an oligarchy or dictatorship and try to call that a 'democracy'.

Don't really care about communism talk

But you do. You are talking about it right now.

as that is not relevant for the US system.

Communism is not a form of government, Kewpie.

The type of populist democracy Trump promised but did not delivery that is a slight spin on Bernie's democratic socialism is what is relevant here

The United States is not and never was a democracy, Kewpie.

 

[countryboy]

It's a buzzword.

Is that when libs get buzzed and make up words?

Communism isn't a form of government.

The inventors of communism would disagree.

I assume you mean something like Cuba, where socialism prevails, or NYC, where socialism prevails.

Cuba is a communist dictatorship.

 

[Into the Night]

Yes the US system has been a corporate focused democracy for decades now as opposed to a populist democracy (democratic socialist) one.

Don't really care about communism talk as that is not relevant for the US system.

The type of populist democracy Trump promised but did not delivery that is a slight spin on Bernie's democratic socialism is what is relevant here

The United States was never a democracy, Kewpie.
Communism is relevant to the United States. It's what morons like you want to implement.

Trump never promised to convert the United States into a democracy.
Bernie never did either. Bernie wants to convert the United States into a dictatorship, but he would settle for an oligarchy.

 

[Into the Night]

No I'm not. And your non answer does not change that.

Try English. It works better.

 

[Into the Night]

Are you pushing a fantasy structure that has never existed in any modern nation?

All nations are modern.

Do you recognize how terrible that society would be with no roads, hospitals, police, army, beyond what individual rich provided for themselves?

Roads are built by capitalists.
Hospitals are built by capitalists. They are staffed by capitalists (doctors, nurses, radiologists, orderlies, etc).
The army is equipped by capitalists.

It is beneficial that the rich (and everyone else) provide for themselves.

 

[Into the Night]

If the government can dictate to industry what can and cannot be made, or how things have to be done, the government is controlling industry.

Quite right. This is fascism, a form of socialism.

 

[Into the Night]

If I don't have any credibility with the feeble minded Magatards, that's alright with me.

'Magatard' is not a word, commie.

 

[IBDaMann]

If I don't have any credibility with the feeble minded Magatards, that's alright with me.

I get it. You don't have to have any credibility when you OBEY in your echo chamber.

 

[QP!]

If the government can dictate to industry what can and cannot be made, or how things have to be done, the government is controlling industry.

Which the Trump government is doing more than any other government in our lifetime by making the government long term shareholders in many companies.

That is what prior Republicans rightly identified as a danger because then the government has a huge incentive to give those companies contracts to both boost the value of their investment and make it look like they made a good decision.

That moral hazard often come at expensr of better, more innovative companies being passed over and diminishing in value.

 

[Into the Night]

Is that when libs get buzzed and make up words?

Yup. They do it because they are trying to hide what they are.
I call the language 'liberal'. It looks like English, but words in it have no meaning or shifting meaning.

Gfm7175 has created a list of buzzwords that he has collected from them. It contains several hundred such words. You can view them here. He has not updated it in awhile though.

The inventors of communism would disagree.

An interesting point, this. Who actually invented communism?
To answer this, is should be noted the difference between communism and charity.

Charity is voluntary. One chooses to help another voluntarily, and can stop at any time.

I shall reference the Bible here, since it's easily obtained. I use the KJV, since others distort the gospel more for their own purposes.
I do acknowledge the distortions introduced in the KJV as well, but they are not as bad.

In the Bible, God and Jesus Christ perform an act of charity in creating this Earth and placing Man upon it, and for providing a means for others to come to Earth to live for a bit of time upon it. They were not forced to do so.

Further, Jesus Christ sacrificed Himself for the sake of the Earth and all men upon it, to redeem it from the Fall. This too was an act of charity.

Christ's teaching are essential about freedom of choice. Men are free to choose. They are NOT free from the consequences of their choices. God and Christ desire Man to be able to freely choose, and to increase their ability to freely choose.

This is the essence of capitalism, a voluntary system where one freely chooses to create a product or service, to be sold at a voluntarily agreed upon price with a buyer. In other words, capitalism is also all about choice.

Satan teaches compulsion. He always has.
This is the essence of socialism. 'Charity' by force. This isn't charity. It's fascism and communism. It ends in the same place: slavery.

So one might say that Satan invented socialism.

Socialism has been a part of Earth as long as any surviving records trace back to.
So has capitalism.

Cuba is a communist dictatorship.

Cuba has both capitalism and socialism (especially communism). Communism is not a form of government, but communism (and indeed all socialism) needs to be implemented by force. Socialism is based on theft of wealth, and people don't like their wealth stolen.

Hence, socialism is often accompanied with oligarchy and dictatorship (like Cuba), to force a predominantly socialist economy. Such are considered 'The Elite'. They take from others and give to themselves. If any DOES manage to get to the poor, they take the hefty cut first.

So you get things like the Industrial Homeless complex, the Industrial Druguse complex, the Industrial Green complex, etc.
Notice the poor get nothing. There are more poor than ever in such places. The poor and the 'commoner' does not get power, air conditioning, etc.; but The Elite does!

They try to take your guns, but they live in luxury properties surrounded by armed security.
They try to take your gasoline, but they fly around on swanky private jets and ride in big gas guzzling limousines and collect cars.
They try to take your water, but they are surrounded by lush green landscaped mansions.
They try to 'tax the rich', but they live in mansions, often having several of them, and exempt themselves from the tax.
They tell you you can't have air conditioning because it 'destroys the environment', but they have air conditioning for themselves.
They tell you to be 'fair' and distribute your wealth equally but they live in mansions and have fancy cars and aircraft and yachts.

They blame their racism on you.
They blame their hatred on you.
They blame their stolen wealth on you.
They blame their desire for a dictatorship or oligarchy on you.

This is a projection. It's other name is an inversion fallacy, one of their favorites.
They do it to hide what they are, and to blame what they are on you.