Trump's approval rating drops among White working-class voters

LurchAddams said:
Well, of course. Trump ran as a populist then did the old Republican "rope-a-dope" and just transferred more wealth and power to billionaires and corporations.

BTW- have you seen new newly crafted Charlie Kirk statue? They're going to put it up in Times Square in NYC:

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T. A. Gardner said:
Really? Even if I put Hitler on the Right--which the Nazis aren't--he doesn't even come close to the number of people Stalin alone killed. The Left is the single most evil, deadly, destructive thing on the planet.

Often, it's some totally asinine idea born by the Left's leadership that is the cause. Mao's order to kill every sparrow in China to keep the birds from eating the people's crops ended in a mass famine and the Chinese importing sparrows from Russia to replace the ones they killed. That's just one example of many from the stupidity of the Left.

Lincoln was no Leftist. He wanted the union to remain intact and would have liked to end slavery. The South took that as the final straw in a losing battle to keep slavery and held an insurrection. Lincoln said it himself, that if he could hold the union together and not free a single slave, he'd do that. The continuity of the union was what was critical to him.
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When Hitler-and-Nazism is put on the Left the Left/Right dichotomy has lost it's meaning. Essentially, the Left is political power with the people, the Right political power with entrenched leadership. A far Right totalitarian government controls everything, including the means of economic production. Nazism was the latter. Lincoln was a liberal who made himself famous with his speeches attacking slavery. True, he said he'd free not a single slave in order to save the union. It's what he did that defines him.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Really? Even if I put Hitler on the Right--which the Nazis aren't--he doesn't even come close to the number of people Stalin alone killed. The Left is the single most evil, deadly, destructive thing on the planet.

Often, it's some totally asinine idea born by the Left's leadership that is the cause. Mao's order to kill every sparrow in China to keep the birds from eating the people's crops ended in a mass famine and the Chinese importing sparrows from Russia to replace the ones they killed. That's just one example of many from the stupidity of the Left.

Lincoln was no Leftist. He wanted the union to remain intact and would have liked to end slavery. The South took that as the final straw in a losing battle to keep slavery and held an insurrection. Lincoln said it himself, that if he could hold the union together and not free a single slave, he'd do that. The continuity of the union was what was critical to him.
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Even if I put Hitler on the Right--which the Nazis aren't-
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You are fucked up in the head terry , Nazism and fascism is a right wing ideology, so much for your knowledge of history

Historians and political scientists universally classify Nazism as a far-right movement

Political scholars define the far-right by its embrace of extreme nationalism, biological hierarchy, authoritarianism, and staunch opposition to egalitarianism. While the Nazi Party used "socialist" in its name to attract working-class voters, this was a political tactic; once in power, Hitler outlawed unions, executed actual socialists, and allied with conservative elites.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Buttplug is a nobody. He tried to run and couldn't break single digits with his own party.
Kelly is nothing but a "Yes" man. He's boring as hell in terms of personality. He got elected on his wife's coattails.
Newsome is as greasy a politician as they come. Used car salesmen, lawyers, and con men have more charm.
Shapiro? Who?
Walz. He's on his way to prison.
Whitmer. Yea, she's got all the charm of a snake.
Pritzker is a complete hack. Outside of Illinois he's an unknown.

Basically, right now, the Democrats have nobody worth a bucket of spit on the national stage.
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Do you think anyone expected you to reply in adult? Not I. Pete goes on Fox regularly and teaches them real history and facts. I hope you tune in next time he is on. You really need it.
Trump is the lowest level president we have ever had. He has no redeeming qualities. he has no sense of humor. He seems to have no interest in art or music. He has never had a pet.He lies at a rate no president has ever achieved and no one ever will approach. He is looting the country for all here can get.
 
martin said:
When Hitler-and-Nazism is put on the Left the Left/Right dichotomy has lost it's meaning. Essentially, the Left is political power with the people, the Right political power with entrenched leadership. A far Right totalitarian government controls everything, including the means of economic production. Nazism was the latter. Lincoln was a liberal who made himself famous with his speeches attacking slavery. True, he said he'd free not a single slave in order to save the union. It's what he did that defines him.
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You have an insane view of what the Left and Right are. That makes zero sense. When the there's not a nickel's worth of difference between Left and Right politically other than some hair splitting and use of weasel words, the definition is meaningless.

So, by your definition, N. Korea is a "far Right totalitarian government?"

The South in seceding from the Union instituted a government based on states rights with a very weak central / federal government. That puts them well to the Right of the Union under Lincoln who was much more a Centrist wanting a balance between the two.

My view on what constitutes Left and Right politically is consistent and to a good degree, measurable.

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They are identified as radically right wing because of their absolute rejection of equality. In their case, inequality covered the spectrum from race to class to gender. Much like many right-wing political movements, Nazism rested on the tenets of one group rising above others. On the flip side of this, most liberal political movements advocate for some, if not total equality at the expense of both the individual and the group.
 
Guno צְבִי said:
Since Trump first ran for president a decade ago, White working class and rural voters have been an important base of support, drawn to his vows to bring back manufacturing and crack down on immigration.
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And Trump has succeed marvelously.
Guno צְבִי said:
In 2024, 2 in 3 White working-class voters backed him, according to research group PRRI's post-election survey. Trump won 69% of the rural vote in 2024, according to Pew Research Center exit polling.
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Argument from randU fallacy.
Guno צְבִי said:
A CBS News-YouGov poll in May found 54% of White, noncollege voters disapproved of Trump's performance, up from 32% in February 2025. That disapproval hit 49% in a June NPR/PBS/Marist poll and 51% in an April Fox News poll. Among rural voters, a June Reuters/Ipsos poll found 48% disapproved of Trump, up from 34% the month after he returned to office.
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Argument from randU fallacy.
Guno צְבִי said:
"The decline is significant given that White working-class voters were a pretty stable support between 2016 and 2020 for Trump after trending Republican since the early 1990s," said Noam Lupu, a Vanderbilt University political science professor.
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What 'decline'. Argument from randU fallacy. Base rate fallacy.
Noam Lupu does not get to speak for everyone. Omniscience fallacy.

Guno צְבִי said:
The main driver of the discontent is higher prices for necessities like gas and food, pushed up by the Iran war and tariffs, experts said.
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Void reference fallacy.
Food is cheap.
Gas prices are down.
Guno צְבִי said:
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Trump's approval rating drops among White working-class voters

Polling shows declining support for President Donald Trump among his white working-class base, but will it hurt Republicans in the midterms?
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Argument from randU fallacy.
Random numbers are not data.
 
Guno צְבִי said:
Although Trump won't be on the November ballot, growing disapproval could bleed into the GOP's midterm fortunes, Lupu said. While "stickiness" of U.S. party affiliation means relatively few such voters are likely to switch allegiances to Democrats, it may hurt Republicans by dampening turnout.

Reed, who no longer supports the MAGA movement for a variety of reasons, said plenty of people in his largely conservative part of Missouri, just west of the Mississippi River, still do. But Reed predicted he won't be the only former Trump voter who is "going to possibly vote for a Democrat for the first time in their lives" in the midterms.
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Argument from randU fallacy. Random numbers are not data.
Omniscience fallacies.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
You have an insane view of what the Left and Right are. That makes zero sense. When the there's not a nickel's worth of difference between Left and Right politically other than some hair splitting and use of weasel words, the definition is meaningless.

So, by your definition, N. Korea is a "far Right totalitarian government?"

The South in seceding from the Union instituted a government based on states rights with a very weak central / federal government. That puts them well to the Right of the Union under Lincoln who was much more a Centrist wanting a balance between the two.

My view on what constitutes Left and Right politically is consistent and to a good degree, measurable.
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You've lost yourself in the weeds. I see even King George would appear on your idea of the Left. As for North Korea, the government is more Right than Left having abandoned true Communism for outright dictatorship. Communism is just its window dressing.
 
martin said:
You've lost yourself in the weeds. I see even King George would appear on your idea of the Left. As for North Korea, the government is more Right rather than Left having abandoned true Communism for outright dictatorship. Communism is just its window dressing.
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N. Korea is an absolute monarchy. One family rules the nation, and that rule is inherited. That defines it as a monarchy. It is on the Left because it has a command economy and puts society well ahead of the individual.

When you try to define Left and Right all you are actually doing is comparing two Leftist systems that have significant political differences of opinion and dislike each other for that reason. A great example of this is Communists versus Fascists. The differences are in the details, but overall they are the same thing: Dictatorships with a command economy, and put society ahead of the individual.
 
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