The DSA’s Communist Turn

T. A. Gardner said:
Two sides of the same coin wanting to rule Russia.
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No. Democratic socialists are not totalitarian, and they have won elections and governed in France, Britain, and Spain. The British labour party is considered democratic socialist. These socialist governments were NATO allies who were prepared to defend Europe against Russian threats.

The leader of the Provisional government in 1917 prior to the Bolshevik October revolution, Kerensky, was a democratic socialist and in no way equivalent to or allied with Lenin.
 
Cypress said:
No. Democratic socialists are not totalitarian, and they have won elections and governed in France, Britain, and Spain. The British labour party is considered democratic socialist. These socialist governments were NATO allies who were prepared to defend Europe against Russian threats.

The leader of the Provisional government in 1917 prior to the Bolshevik October revolution, Kerensky, was a democratic socialist and in no way equivalent to or allied with Lenin.
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Yes, they are. They just take longer to reach that stage.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
The French Revolution followed by two decades of war by Napoleon?

The Terror of Paris maybe?

The Russian Revolution followed by wars of expansion in Romania, Finland, China, and then Lenin and Stalin between them killing off something like 20 to 40 million people because those people disagreed with their rule?

The creation of N. Korea out of Soviet Communism? The creation of Communist China out of that same revolution?
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this is non responsive to the discussion, dirty libertarian genocider.
 
Jerry Mathers said:
calling every economic concern of a non oligarchic "communism" is low IQ fed slop, dickeater.
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Venezuela was Democratic Socialism in action. Chavez won an election. He immediately started socializing the economy. Taking over the oil industry, he--as happened in Mexico a century earlier doing the same thing--kicked the big corporations out and the state took control. The energy corporations responded by pulling all their people out of the country leaving Venezuela with no technical knowledge or supply line for maintenance parts. Soon, production fell to a low.

Then, as the money ran out from confiscating the wealth of the Rich, everything else became scarce. Grocery stores started rationing and bread lines formed.

Chavez, then Maduro increasingly rigged elections. As more sectors of the economy failed, the state stepped in and took them over. Nothing improved. The Bolivar became nearly worthless. Corruption and graft permeated the government then the economy. It took about a decade for that to happen instead of immediately as with actual Communism, but it happened.

Democratic Socialism leads to the same ruin as Communism, just slower.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
The French Revolution followed by two decades of war by Napoleon?

The Terror of Paris maybe?

The Russian Revolution followed by wars of expansion in Romania, Finland, China, and then Lenin and Stalin between them killing off something like 20 to 40 million people because those people disagreed with their rule?

The creation of N. Korea out of Soviet Communism? The creation of Communist China out of that same revolution?
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It will take whatever it takes to defeat the scourge of so few owning so much that the many often have to deal with not nearly enough.

I know, I know...you do not see that.

There is something wrong with you, TA. There is something seriously wrong with anyone who is unwilling to see the damage that Trump and his disgusting administration is doing to our Republic...particularly because we set the tone for all the other countries. Unfortunately, because of people like you, the negative impact of this catastrophe will last for decades...MANY decades.

I wish you a good life, TA. I wish that for all the people throughout the world, although I am sad for whatever has happened in so many lives to cause them to be okay with what is happening right now.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Venezuela was Democratic Socialism in action. Chavez won an election. He immediately started socializing the economy. Taking over the oil industry, he--as happened in Mexico a century earlier doing the same thing--kicked the big corporations out and the state took control. The energy corporations responded by pulling all their people out of the country leaving Venezuela with no technical knowledge or supply line for maintenance parts. Soon, production fell to a low.

Then, as the money ran out from confiscating the wealth of the Rich, everything else became scarce. Grocery stores started rationing and bread lines formed.

Chavez, then Maduro increasingly rigged elections. As more sectors of the economy failed, the state stepped in and took them over. Nothing improved. The Bolivar became nearly worthless. Corruption and graft permeated the government then the economy. It took about a decade for that to happen instead of immediately as with actual Communism, but it happened.

Democratic Socialism leads to the same ruin as Communism, just slower.
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that's fine.

but calling every economic concertn of a non-oligarchic "communism" is low-iq fed slop, dickeater.


thats what I used to do when I was a dumb neocon like you. then I woke up.

RtWngAvngr.
 
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