Into the Night
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Mantra 1a. Lame.
There is no die roll here, Void.
The most secure election ever and other lies.
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There is no die roll here, Void.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
Gee, Yahoo has been braying similar BS for damn near what, 20 years? Yet in all that time, the IAEC inspectors have determined that is indeed NOT the case. Then after 2 years wrangling, Obama gets a JCPOA that includes periodic inspections. The Orange Oaf tears up the agreement to the delight of Netanyahu, then starts and illegal war WITH NO PROOF.
REMEMBER, IRAN HAS NEVER BEEN A THREAT TO AMERICAN SHORES. NO NAVY, NO AIR FORCE, NO ARMY, NO ICBM'S AND WAS NOT INVOLVED IN 9-11. But they do have reasons to hate us since 1953 (do some research as to why that date is important).
So far, you've got scores of Iranian civilians (you know, the people we're supposed to liberate) getting killed and starved and such, and a small but growing number of US soldiers getting killed while Israel expands its imperialistic agenda in the region to other countries.
... And it's one, two, three ... what are we fight'in for? Don't ask me I don't give a damn! The next stop is Iran! (with apologies to Country Joe and the Fish).
QP!
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while ii do not see the trolls posts you are replying to anymore, it seems you nailed the major points.
lets not forget, Trump is now desperate to get a deal that by all measures fall way short of what Obama got.
The 2015 JCPOA released funds only after verification of nuclear compliance, whereas the June 2026 MOU operates as a "pay-for-performance" framework where massive asset releases and cash to Iran began immediately via oil export waivers that were granted upfront.
Side-by-Side Comparison of Key Points
| Feature | 2015 Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) | June 2026 Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) |
|---|---|---|
| Primary Objective | Exclusively a non-proliferation technical agreement. | A postwar ceasefire framework to halt active military conflict. |
| Total Potential Funds | ~$50 billion in unfrozen assets (+ $1.7B separate settlement). | Up to $24 billion in unfrozen assets + a proposed $300 billion reconstruction fund. |
| Upfront Triggers | Zero. Sanctions stayed active until IAEA Implementation Day. | Immediate oil export waivers and a 30-day window to lift the naval blockade. |
| Core Cash Flow Rule | "Compliance-first." Nuclear cutbacks had to happen before money moved. | "Pay-for-performance." Actual asset releases are tied to nuclear down-blending. |
| Nuclear Actions | Imposed strict caps on centrifuges, enrichment (3.67%), and stockpiles. | Broad agreement to down-blend highly enriched uranium (60%) onsite. |
| Geopolitical Terms | No constraints on maritime choke points or geographic borders. | Explicitly required reopening the Strait of Hormuz and ceasefire in Lebanon while giving Iran Authoritative control over the Strait. |
And despite the deal Trump is desperate to sign being weaker, he is consistently waving other hugely significant concessions to Iran indicating how far he will go, if only they will sign something. He goes further than the JCPOA did in omitting ballistic missiles, but not speaking to whether they or Israel would allow them, and instead makes it clear the US would BACK them having them...
President Trump sparked significant controversy by stating it is "okay" and "only fair" for Iran to possess ballistic missiles in "relative proportion" to its neighbors. [1, 2]
He made these remarks to reporters on June 17, 2026, while defending the newly signed Islamabad Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) at the Palace of Versailles. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
When pressed on why his June 2026 MOU completely ignored Iran's conventional missile arsenal—the exact same omission he fiercely criticized in Obama’s 2015 JCPOA—Trump argued that regional deterrence requires Iran to have a baseline capability: [1, 2, 3, 4]
- The "Fairness" Argument: "If other countries have them, it’s a little bit unfair for them not to have some," Trump stated. He explicitly pointed to regional rivals, adding, "If Saudi Arabia and Qatar, and they all have some, I would say in relative proportion, I think it’s okay.". [1, 2]
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But we all know what magats will do if this MOU ever gets to any final form, no matter how weak and bad it is...
Well said, thank you.
This misbegotten mess is Trump's Wag-the-Dog fiasco. Don't look at what's in the Epstein files! Don't look at the stock markets! Don't look at the price of gas! Don't look at the war I promised to end on day one in Ukraine! Don't look at the fucked up mess I've made of the White House, the Rose Garden, the Reflecting Pool, the failed "state fair!" Don't look at the billions I'm wasting on vanity projects while throwing thousands of federal workers onto the unemployment lines! Don't look at how much everything has gone up thanks to my beautiful tariffs! Don't look at the millions losing health care because of my Big Beautiful Bill!
Methinks the twatwaddle got up on the wrong side of her coffin.
Obama signed a JCPOA... that Iran promptly ignored. Just remember that UN Security Resolution 2231 was a mandatory, critical part of the JCPOA, and it only took 3 months for Iran to break their word on it.
1) How did Trump "tear up the agreement" after Iran had already broken it, stupid?
2) How is the war illegal? Iran attacked US bases 180 times while Biden was president. Iran has been threatening genocide against America's ally for generations. It was Iranian money raining down on Israel, in the form of rockets, when the US attacked.
Sorry, dummy, but the US has a right to go to war to protect their allies, or they broke a lot of "laws" in the WWs.
Remember, Iran had 2-stage ballistic missiles and 440kg of Uranium that was enriched to 60%, and they've been promising to destroy America for generations.
It's a theocratic dictatorship that operates like a death cult, that was amassing an enormous army of drones and ballistic missiles.
How is that not a danger you fkn retard? Were you gonna wait until they had the 3-stage ballistic missile and 20 warheads?
They had a navy. They had an air force. They already perfected 2-stage ballistic missiles, and an ICBM is just a 3-stage ballistic missile, dummy.
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
Did trump say this war was about 9/11? So strange that he kept that a secret.
AFAIK all that he said (correctly, mind you) is that they harboured 9/11 terrorists after the attack.
Iran is a disgrace to the human race.
Just 6 years before 1953 they normalized relations with Pakistan, while the Pakistanis were still in the midst of an ethnic cleansing that makes the "nabka" look like a Sunday picnic. Yet somehow the ayatollahs still feel the need to kill 10M Israelis to avenge the 500 people killed in the nabka.
Have a pity party for Iran if you want you drooling fkn moron, I don't really care what you think. The war is perfectly legally, and the IRGC deserves everything they're getting.
Left4rds: "So what if Iran killed 50,000 protesters? That's normal."
Also left4rds: "OMG, the Israelis killed some Gazan civilians while Hamas was using them as meat shields!" (Of the 50k-70K Gazans killed, the majority were Hamas. That is very high ratio of military to civilian casualties for such a crowded urban environment)
Also leftards: "scores of Iranians are getting killed now... this is way worse than when the ayatollah killed 50,000"
18 US soldiers died in the 2026 Iran war
233 people were murdered in 2026 in Chicago
You fkn idiot. Israelis just want to not die. That's their "secret agenda".
Before they had a country of their own they were really bad at not getting massacred, and now that they have a country of their own they're just treading water.
FYI ever since the day you were born, Israel has been one bad day away from having every single one of its citizens murdered, and the intent has been there from many nations of the islamic world.
The only reason that the Palestinians/Arabs NEVER accept peace deals is because their goal has been genocide this whole time.
The fact that you truly don't know is a testament to your astonishing ignorance.
Query: "How long has Iran been plotting genocide against Israel?"
- AI: "Iran has been actively engaging in what human rights scholars, international legal experts, and Israeli officials classify as state-sanctioned incitement and conspiracy to commit genocide against Israel for 47 years.
If you're a muslim that might seem fine, or even if you're just a garden-variety Jew-hater it might seem fine, but for those of us who don't see religion as an excuse to massacre children, it's bad.
ZenMode
Well-known member
and?
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
Whenever you maga wonks can't handle the truth, you think a deluge of revised facts and absurd comparisons will fool everyone into thinking you're correct.
You fail as usual. Your first paragraph makes a claim that you supply no proof of Iran breaking the deal.
In fact, your entire screed id chock full of claims that you supply NO VALID PROOF OF. (i.e., the majority of those killed in Gaza and the West Bank were Hamas).
Essentially you just vomit forth the SOS rabid zionist have done for a generation. Let me just pull the rug out from under you:
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
As always, you da man!while ii do not see the trolls posts you are replying to anymore, it seems you nailed the major points.
lets not forget, Trump is now desperate to get a deal that by all measures fall way short of what Obama got.
The 2015 JCPOA released funds only after verification of nuclear compliance, whereas the June 2026 MOU operates as a "pay-for-performance" framework where massive asset releases and cash to Iran began immediately via oil export waivers that were granted upfront.
Side-by-Side Comparison of Key Points
Feature 2015 Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) June 2026 Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) Primary Objective Exclusively a non-proliferation technical agreement. A postwar ceasefire framework to halt active military conflict. Total Potential Funds ~$50 billion in unfrozen assets (+ $1.7B separate settlement). Up to $24 billion in unfrozen assets + a proposed $300 billion reconstruction fund. Upfront Triggers Zero. Sanctions stayed active until IAEA Implementation Day. Immediate oil export waivers and a 30-day window to lift the naval blockade. Core Cash Flow Rule "Compliance-first." Nuclear cutbacks had to happen before money moved. "Pay-for-performance." Actual asset releases are tied to nuclear down-blending. Nuclear Actions Imposed strict caps on centrifuges, enrichment (3.67%), and stockpiles. Broad agreement to down-blend highly enriched uranium (60%) onsite. Geopolitical Terms No constraints on maritime choke points or geographic borders. Explicitly required reopening the Strait of Hormuz and ceasefire in Lebanon while giving Iran Authoritative control over the Strait.
And despite the deal Trump is desperate to sign being weaker, he is consistently waving other hugely significant concessions to Iran indicating how far he will go, if only they will sign something. He goes further than the JCPOA did in omitting ballistic missiles, but not speaking to whether they or Israel would allow them, and instead makes it clear the US would BACK them having them...
President Trump sparked significant controversy by stating it is "okay" and "only fair" for Iran to possess ballistic missiles in "relative proportion" to its neighbors. [1, 2]
He made these remarks to reporters on June 17, 2026, while defending the newly signed Islamabad Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) at the Palace of Versailles. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
When pressed on why his June 2026 MOU completely ignored Iran's conventional missile arsenal—the exact same omission he fiercely criticized in Obama’s 2015 JCPOA—Trump argued that regional deterrence requires Iran to have a baseline capability: [1, 2, 3, 4]
- The "Fairness" Argument: "If other countries have them, it’s a little bit unfair for them not to have some," Trump stated. He explicitly pointed to regional rivals, adding, "If Saudi Arabia and Qatar, and they all have some, I would say in relative proportion, I think it’s okay.". [1, 2]
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But we all know what magats will do if this MOU ever gets to any final form, no matter how weak and bad it is...
How would requiring a passport to vote help, other than make it difficult for average Americans to vote?
QP!
Verified User
And more importantly a passport (any ID form) does not stop a determined fraudster from attempting fraud. Passports can be faked
at best he can reply to that, 'passports make it harder' meaning he is 'quantifying how much fraud is done and if 'harder' is ok with it'. and if that is the case then that destroys his argument against the current levels of fraud which are meaningless to vote outcomes.
You cannot be 'ok with fraud as long as we make it harder' while ignoring that fraud is meaningless already as then there is no point in making it harder.
An absolutist might have a position (a weak one) if their goal is no fraud ever, zero. Even though that cannot be accomplished. But the 'harder' distinction is absolutely meaningless.
ZenMode
Well-known member
Not that the conspiracy theorist like @Into the Night and @IBDaMann will care, but the issue in New Jersey was discovered and fixed in June of 2024. The previous governor kept a secret, which is really stupid on his part.
So, according to the conspiracy theorist, here's how this went down.
- Democrats in New Jersey intentionally created a system to register illegals to vote to steal elections
- They apparently registered thousands of illegals as part of this fraudulent scam
- They then fixed the issue in June of 2024
- They only had 400 illegals vote, out of the thousands registered, which is a meaningless amount
- The new Democratic governor voluntarily went public with the information and called out the previous governor for hiding it
Into the Night
Contributor
RQAA
Into the Night
Contributor
Maga isn't a person, Libby.
Go learn what 'fact' means. A fact cannot be 'revised'.
Denying history does not make it go away, Libby.
Iran broke the deal.
Attempted proof by denial.
Israel is already established.
YouTube is not a proof.
Into the Night
Contributor
The old argument...that Democrats are too stupid to get ID and therefore too stupid to vote.
Into the Night
Contributor
The Democrat party is a conspiracy, Void. It is no theory.
It was not fixed in 2024, Void. Trivial fallacy. Argument of the Stone fallacy. Strawman fallacy.but the issue in New Jersey was discovered and fixed in June of 2024. The previous governor kept a secret, which is really stupid on his part.
So, according to the conspiracy theorist, here's how this went down.
- Democrats in New Jersey intentionally created a system to register illegals to vote to steal elections
- They apparently registered thousands of illegals as part of this fraudulent scam
- They then fixed the issue in June of 2024
- They only had 400 illegals vote, out of the thousands registered, which is a meaningless amount
- The new Democratic governor voluntarily went public with the information and called out the previous governor for hiding it
ZenMode
Well-known member
It was fixed in 2024 and the current governor publicly criticizes the previous for hiding it.
Get better news sources.
Statement by Governor Mikie Sherrill
Posted on 07/21/2026
“Last week I learned that a serious software error in New Jersey’s Motor Vehicle System led to the registration of roughly 6,600 people who indicated that they were not U.S. citizens between June 2023 and June 2024, almost three years prior to my taking office. These individuals answered ‘no’ when asked on a keypad whether they were a U.S. citizen when applying for drivers' licenses and identification cards, but through no fault of their own, the system registered them anyway.
“This happened under the previous administration and, upon learning this information, I immediately ordered my chief counsel to launch an investigation to get to the bottom of what occurred. I also ordered the removal of any residents from our voter rolls who were erroneously added between June 2023 and June 2024. The new MVC Administrator that I appointed has begun the process of replacing the vendor responsible for administering the system.
“Our preliminary analysis shows fewer than 400 individuals who were newly registered for the first time because of the error voted. They were registered as Democrats, Republicans and Unaffiliated voters and were scattered across the state.
“I want to underscore how seriously I take this matter. As a military veteran who swore an oath to defend our Constitution, and as a former federal prosecutor, I believe the integrity of our elections is fundamental to our democracy. I am appalled by the reckless failures that allowed this to happen and the lack of transparency shown by those in charge at the time. This failure didn’t occur under my watch, but accountability starts now. I am taking action to prevent anything like it from occurring in the future and make sure those responsible are held accountable.
Statement by Governor Mikie Sherrill
“Last week I learned that a serious software error in New Jersey’s Motor Vehicle System led to the registration of roughly 6,600 people who indicated that they were not U.S. citizens between June 2023 and June 2024, almost three years prior to my taking office. These individuals answered ‘no’ when a
www.nj.gov
IBDaMann
Probably the worse human in the threads
Correct. Democrats actively cheat to the fullest extent in every election. They have not fixed any issues; they have only created dozens more.
Our voting systems are broken. They need to be fixed. Democrats will only make the problems worse.