Trump gives Iran ammunition to say Trump simply cannot be trusted to stand behind any deal

Cypress said:
"The Paris agreement represented a victory for the North Vietnamese. It left thousands of North Vietnamese soldiers in South Vietnam (estimates ranged from 140,000 to 300,000) well positioned to continue the war when the Americans departed".
~ U.S. State Department ​


[https://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ho/time/dr/17411.htm
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No such phrase in the source you gave, Cyborg. Misquoting and revisionism won't help you.
 
Into the Night said:
No such phrase in the source you gave, Cyborg. Misquoting and revisionism won't help you.
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:lolup: :lolup:
Trapped like a rat!​

Me, the US State Department, and Google AI all collectively state that Nixon signed an agreement that left significant parts of South Vietnam under the North's control, and occupied by the North Vietnamese army, but your best response is to just lie 🤣
 
Cypress said:
:lolup: :lolup:
Trapped like a rat!​

Me, the US State Department, and Google AI all collectively state that Nixon signed an agreement that left significant parts of South Vietnam under the North's control, and occupied by the North Vietnamese army, but your best response is to just lie 🤣
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The US State Department made no such statement, liar.
AI is not a source.
 
Vietnamization was a policy enacted in early 1969 by the Richard Nixon administrationaimed at ending U.S. involvement in the Vietnam Warby expanding, equipping, and training the South Vietnamese armed forces (ARVN) and increasing their combat role, while at the same reducing involvement of U.S. combat troops. The policy of Vietnamization, despite its successful execution, was ultimately a failure as the improved ARVN forces were unable to stop North Vietnamand its People's Army of Vietnam(PAVN). The South Vietnamese government collapsed with the fall of Saigon in April 1975 and north and south Vietnam were subsequently unified under communism as the Socialist Republic of Vietnam.
 
Into the Night said:
The US State Department made no such statement, liar!!
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:lolup: You suck at gas lighting.
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The only concession the Paris Accord required of the North Vietnamese was to return our POWs, and not shoot at us as we withdrew and retreated.

The only country the accord required to withdraw armed forces and dismantle their bases was the United States.

The Paris accord did not require North Vietnam to withdraw their armed forces from areas of South Vietnam they occupied.

Nixon knew he was signing an agreement that required a complete US retreat, while allowing the North Vietnamese army to hold on to their ill-gotten gains and to continue occupying large areas of South Vietnam they had captured.

The Paris accord was almost a complete capitulation by the U.S.
 
Cypress said:
:lolup: You suck at gas lighting.
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The only concession the Paris Accord required of the North Vietnamese was to return our POWs, and not shoot at us as we withdrew and retreated.

The only country the accord required to withdraw armed forces and dismantle their bases was the United States.

The Paris accord did not require North Vietnam to withdraw their armed forces from areas of South Vietnam they occupied.

Nixon knew he was signing an agreement that required a complete US retreat, while allowing the North Vietnamese army to hold on to their ill-gotten gains and to continue occupying large areas of South Vietnam they had captured.

The Paris accord was almost a complete capitulation by the U.S.
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Larry cannot admit he was wrong.
 
Cypress said:
They honered the pledge to not enrich uranium to near-weapons grade, until Trump tore up the 2015 agreement
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Because it was incredibly bad. We can discuss why it was if you want. But only if you can do it civilly.
Cypress said:
and released Iran from their treaty obligations.
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What treaty obligations are you talking about? There was no treaty with the U.S.
Cypress said:
This litany of complaints
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What complaints? I stated a strongly held opinion based on loads of past behavior by the regime.
Cypress said:
does nothing to get us out of the foreign policy disaster you and Trump got us into.
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Me? What position do I have in govt. that has any effect at all on foreign policy?
 
Cypress said:
:lolup: You suck at gas lighting.​
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Buzzword fallacy.
Cypress said:
The Paris accord did not require North Vietnam to withdraw their armed forces from areas of South Vietnam they occupied.
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They weren't in South Vietnam at the time, Cyborg.
Cypress said:
Nixon knew he was signing an agreement that required a complete US retreat, while allowing the North Vietnamese army to hold on to their ill-gotten gains and to continue occupying large areas of South Vietnam they had captured.
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North Vietnam did not occupy South Vietnam at the time, Cybotg.
Cypress said:
The Paris accord was almost a complete capitulation by the U.S.
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No caputilation, Cyborg.
 
evince said:
Vietnamization was a policy enacted in early 1969 by the Richard Nixon administrationaimed at ending U.S. involvement in the Vietnam Warby expanding, equipping, and training the South Vietnamese armed forces (ARVN) and increasing their combat role, while at the same reducing involvement of U.S. combat troops. The policy of Vietnamization, despite its successful execution, was ultimately a failure as the improved ARVN forces were unable to stop North Vietnamand its People's Army of Vietnam(PAVN). The South Vietnamese government collapsed with the fall of Saigon in April 1975 and north and south Vietnam were subsequently unified under communism as the Socialist Republic of Vietnam.
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Other that your plagiarizing Wiki, it shows one aspect of exactly what I stated: Nixon wanted to get the US out of the war. Vietnamization did not accomplish that on its own. Nixon had to find a way to bring N. Vietnam to the negotiating table on his terms and that was bombing and then the mining of major harbors in N. Vietnam, particularly Haiphong. That ended Soviet shipping of war material to N. Vietnam for fear of hitting sea mines the US laid. With their munitions and arms running out and bombing continuing non-stop, N. Vietnam agreed to a peace treaty.

The N. Vietnamese waited for the US to fully withdraw, and for their own military to be restocked with material and munitions. They then invaded the South. Their first invasion was stopped cold. Their second succeeded because the Democrat led congress refused to honor the terms of the peace treaty and supply S. Vietnam with replacement arms and munitions Nixon asked them for.

The simplistic Wiki version doesn't cover this well, but that's kind of to be expected.
 
Moosakofsky said:
Don’t you think it’s pointless to make any “deal” with Iran?
1. There’s zero chance they’ll honor it.
2. The mullahs care less about their own people than they do about turning Israel into glass. In fact, that’s about all they care about.
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You could interchange Iran with Trump in your post and it remains equally true.
 
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