Fauci Follies: New day, SOS.

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Shaken, not stirred!
So Fauci gets grilled (not too professionally, IMHO) by GOP in Congress regarding his performance as National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases head during Covid). I find it amusing that the DEMS are rushing to his defense, given the following:

- Fauci NEVER explained exactly why American pharmaceutical companies outsourced research to the Wuhan lab in China. He assured the country that the research had nothing to do with virus research .... but he offered NO details. It should be noted that American pharma research labs are prohibited from doing certain research work, while China has lesser restrictions in that regard. So what the hell was the deal? And to date, the status quo story is that Covid originated in a Wuhan lab.

- Fauci okay the use of an upgraded version of the PCR technique to test for Covid. Thing was that this type of test had a less than 50% accuracy rate. The reason for this was that the test was developed by the late Dr. Kary Mullis, who won a Nobel Peace Prize for it. When Fauci and company began to use it to diagnose and confirm the HIV =AIDS stance for treatment, Mullis went on public record stating that his technique WAS NOT AND COULD NOT BE ADAPTED FOR DIAGNOSIS. It could only tell if you had anti-bodies of various diseases, NOT what was making you sick. He challenged Fauci to a public debate in front of any academic venue of his choosing. Fauci declined. Apropos to that, the late Dr. Peter Deusberg, a co-discoverer of the HIV virus, did the due diligence and concluded that HIV DID NOT CAUSE AIDS. He pointed out that all who joined the band wagon otherwise became wealthy and gained prestigious positions, while those who opposed were suddenly defunded of their labs. His book, Inventing the AIDS Virus has yet to be debunked factually.
To date, there has been no scientific peer reviewed paper that proves HIV=AIDS. A paper put out by French (I believe) scientists proves CORRELATION, but NOT CAUSATION.

- Noted cardiologists like Dr. Peter McCullough warned of the long-term effects of the Covid vaccines. Essentially a smear campaign was launched against him DESPITE the fact of the FDA on record warning of potentially dangerous side effects of the vaccines. While the positive proponents of the vaccines tout millions vaccinated with small negative effects, the yearly numbers of cardio-deaths for those vaxxed increase bit by bit, yet little to no coverage of that.

- Fauci pleaded the 5th, "explaining" that since the committee questioning him was plainly bias, all the questions were rigged against him. Hmm, that's the excuse heard by EVERY career criminal since the heyday of La Costra Nostra. That this joker okayed the use of AZT in his initial combat of AIDS and his deplorable mandates during COVID should warrant at least posthumous stripping of his medical license and titles (IMHO, of course).

And the beat goes on.
 
"... Fauci pleaded the 5th, "explaining" that since the committee questioning him was plainly bias, all the questions were rigged against him...."

For the record that is not why he took the 5th.

It is crystal clear that at each of these House or Senate committee summons of Trump enemies anything and everything they say will be used by magat Congress people to refer them to the DoJ for potential lies to Congress so the DoJ can open an investigation into the person and dig all thru their lives and cost them lots of money.

They just did that with Jack Smith even though Jim Jordan admitted he told no lies as Jim Jordan basically said 'he should have known what we were asking and gave us that answer anywhere instead of just being factual and accurate'.

As Jack Smith lawyers have said, by this standard everyone under oath could be investigated and prosecuted for what they did not just offer up, despite NEVER being asked.

Fauci is very old and the last thing he wants to do is spend his last days dealing with Courts and the DoJ and with this Trump DoJ we KNOW that is exactly what they want to do to him.
 
"... Fauci pleaded the 5th, "explaining" that since the committee questioning him was plainly bias, all the questions were rigged against him...."

For the record that is not why he took the 5th.

It is crystal clear that at each of these House or Senate committee summons of Trump enemies anything and everything they say will be used by magat Congress people to refer them to the DoJ for potential lies to Congress so the DoJ can open an investigation into the person and dig all thru their lives and cost them lots of money.

They just did that with Jack Smith even though Jim Jordan admitted he told no lies as Jim Jordan basically said 'he should have known what we were asking and gave us that answer anywhere instead of just being factual and accurate'.

As Jack Smith lawyers have said, by this standard everyone under oath could be investigated and prosecuted for what they did not just offer up, despite NEVER being asked.

Fauci is very old and the last thing he wants to do is spend his last days dealing with Courts and the DoJ and with this Trump DoJ we KNOW that is exactly what they want to do to him.
It's pretty obvious why Fauci took the Fifth. If he answered the questions and dissembled, lied, or couldn't keep his lies straight and without solid proof, he was looking, potentially, at getting felony charges. His best course of action when trapped in a situation where he is likely guilty of felonies is to not answer anything. Lois Learner (remember her) did the same thing when caught slow playing and denying Conservative groups tax exempt status by the IRS.

Fauci is hoping to run out the clock, and given his age he likely will. That doesn't change that it's pretty damn obvious he's:

A. Marginally competent in his field

and

B. A total piece of human shit.
 
"... Fauci pleaded the 5th, "explaining" that since the committee questioning him was plainly bias, all the questions were rigged against him...."

For the record that is not why he took the 5th.

It is crystal clear that at each of these House or Senate committee summons of Trump enemies anything and everything they say will be used by magat Congress people to refer them to the DoJ for potential lies to Congress so the DoJ can open an investigation into the person and dig all thru their lives and cost them lots of money.

They just did that with Jack Smith even though Jim Jordan admitted he told no lies as Jim Jordan basically said 'he should have known what we were asking and gave us that answer anywhere instead of just being factual and accurate'.

As Jack Smith lawyers have said, by this standard everyone under oath could be investigated and prosecuted for what they did not just offer up, despite NEVER being asked.

Fauci is very old and the last thing he wants to do is spend his last days dealing with Courts and the DoJ and with this Trump DoJ we KNOW that is exactly what they want to do to him.
You just expanded, not contradicted what I said in my first paragraph.
Any thoughts on the rest of the OP?
 
It's pretty obvious why Fauci took the Fifth. If he answered the questions and dissembled, lied, or couldn't keep his lies straight and without solid proof, he was looking, potentially, at getting felony charges. His best course of action when trapped in a situation where he is likely guilty of felonies is to not answer anything. Lois Learner (remember her) did the same thing when caught slow playing and denying Conservative groups tax exempt status by the IRS.

Fauci is hoping to run out the clock, and given his age he likely will. That doesn't change that it's pretty damn obvious he's:

A. Marginally competent in his field

and

B. A total piece of human shit.
Just to be clear about Lois Learner:

Fauci, on the other hand, would be cooked without the 5th.
 
"... Fauci pleaded the 5th, "explaining" that since the committee questioning him was plainly bias, all the questions were rigged against him...."

For the record that is not why he took the 5th.

It is crystal clear that at each of these House or Senate committee summons of Trump enemies anything and everything they say will be used by magat Congress people to refer them to the DoJ for potential lies to Congress so the DoJ can open an investigation into the person and dig all thru their lives and cost them lots of money.

They just did that with Jack Smith even though Jim Jordan admitted he told no lies as Jim Jordan basically said 'he should have known what we were asking and gave us that answer anywhere instead of just being factual and accurate'.

As Jack Smith lawyers have said, by this standard everyone under oath could be investigated and prosecuted for what they did not just offer up, despite NEVER being asked.

Fauci is very old and the last thing he wants to do is spend his last days dealing with Courts and the DoJ and with this Trump DoJ we KNOW that is exactly what they want to do to him.


Looks as though the lunkhead MAGA morons are in high dudgeon over the fact that Dr. Fauci made the Republican members of that committee look like a bunch of dunces. Actually, it was not that hard to do, because they are dunces.


All the MAGA morons are. Especially our group here in JPP.
 
It's pretty obvious why Fauci took the Fifth. If he answered the questions and dissembled, lied, or couldn't keep his lies straight and without solid proof, he was looking, potentially, at getting felony charges. His best course of action when trapped in a situation where he is likely guilty of felonies is to not answer anything. Lois Learner (remember her) did the same thing when caught slow playing and denying Conservative groups tax exempt status by the IRS.

Fauci is hoping to run out the clock, and given his age he likely will. That doesn't change that it's pretty damn obvious he's:

A. Marginally competent in his field

and

B. A total piece of human shit.
Fauci has answered those same questions several times already so you are WRONG in what you say.

What is UNDENYABLY clear is that what we are seeing going on now is the people on Trump's Enemies List, are being dragged before his Congress and asked questions and even when they answer 100% truthful and accurate as Jack Smith did, and Jim Jordan admitted, this magat Congress is still referring them to DoJ for investigation.

Jim Jordan has literally said he referred Jack Smith for what he thinks he SHOULD HAVE SAID and in not saying it he was DECEPTIVE.

Jim Jordan is imposing a positive burden to disclose, even when a question is not asked with the reason being 'Jack should have known that is what we wanted'. Something that does not exist in law.

So seeing this there is not a defense lawyer in the country who would want his client to say anything before this body because even if you answer honestly they will say there are things 'you SHOULD have disclosed and thus were being deceptive' and refer you.

So you can guys pretend all you want Fauci should not care about being investigated and indicted by Trumps DoJ and spending the majority of his remaining years dealing with that, but no defense lawyer is going to tell him to willingly play that game and not jsut take the 5th. Especially since he has answered these same question many times prior.
 
You just expanded, not contradicted what I said in my first paragraph.
Any thoughts on the rest of the OP?
Ya, i just wanted to make that point clear.

No one, NO ONE, should expect Fauci to submit to the circus which is Trump's weaponized Congress and DoJ. They have shown now there sole goal is to tie people up in the inconvenience and threat and cost of investigations even when they know they have no case. As @FastLane acknowledged, when it was clear the Trump admin was doing it, ....the process of it is the point...'.

It is 100% predictable that no matter what Fauci answered they would conclude they do not believe him, do not think he was fully disclosing and refer him to the DoJ for investigation. The reason they called him in the first place. Heck Rand Paul said that even with Fauci only taking the 5th. But good luck to Rand making a case that taking the 5th is illegal and needs to be investigated.

I mean he almost certainly will, and Trump's DoJ will almost certainly use that as their predication to do just that because they clearly do not care how laughable the case is. The 'process is the point'.

My views on the rest of the OP are not fully formed. I agree with parts while having questions and views on others that diverge from the main stream but stick more to the established science and view.

For instance even before Covid i have always believed the gov't will participate in some form of Gain of Function scientific investigation, even if by other names. I believe they are doing it now, even if driven more covert. I believe they will never stop.

And i can make the case as to why which is '...if we do not do it we are vulnerable to anyone else who does and who releases devastating engineered viruses...'

That is not me agreeing with that decision but instead recognizing how gov'ts think. Just like chasing AI that could 'destroy the world' because we cannot allow others to do it and have control of it, it is the same with Gain of Function. The very process of learning how to 'Gain Function' gives insights into how to deal with and control and counter them.
 
Scandals apparently stop being scandals when Democrats are in the spotlight.

Watergate became the defining political scandal of modern America. Had the same machinery been aimed at protecting Democrats rather than exposing Republicans, I increasingly doubt it would have received the same treatment.

Bill Clinton had a sexual relationship with a young White House intern while occupying the most powerful office in the world. Democrats constantly lecture others about abuses of power, yet Clinton remains a respected party elder who is routinely brought out to campaign for votes.

Clinton also had a substantial, documented association with Jeffrey Epstein. He traveled repeatedly on Epstein’s private plane, moved within his social orbit and has faced legitimate questions about the full extent of that relationship. Yet Democrats show remarkably little interest in examining Clinton with the same intensity they demand for Trump. Epstein matters primarily as a partisan bludgeon. When the trail points toward one of their own icons, their appetite for transparency disappears.

Hillary Clinton operated a private email server for official government business and deleted thousands of emails after they were under subpoena. Democrats treated it as a tedious technicality and nominated her for president.

Joe Biden also kept classified documents in unsecured locations for years. Unlike Trump, however, he was presented as a sympathetic, forgetful old man who was too diminished to prosecute seriously—while the same party simultaneously insisted he was fully capable of serving another four years as president.

Democrats and much of the press spent years dismissing sworn testimony and evidence concerning the Biden family’s foreign business dealings. Then they concealed his obvious cognitive decline, calling damaging footage “cheap fakes” until the deception became impossible to maintain.

Hunter Biden committed multiple crimes, benefited from extraordinary institutional protection and ultimately received a sweeping presidential pardon from his father.

Anthony Fauci received a preemptive pardon covering more than a decade of government service. His private diary entries conflict sharply with the cautious, self-exonerating account he presented publicly, but Democrats have no interest in forcing an honest accounting. They already declared him a hero, so the contradictions must be buried beneath the mythology.

And none of this is new.

Lyndon Johnson’s path to the Senate ran through the infamous 1948 “Box 13” election, in which conveniently late ballots from a machine-controlled precinct delivered him an 87-vote victory. The episode became so notorious that “Landslide Lyndon” entered the political vocabulary. Yet it was eventually softened into colorful folklore about a shrewd politician rather than treated as a foundational corruption scandal in the career of a future Democratic president.

That is how long this has been happening.

The institution supposedly responsible for policing political power has repeatedly shown that it is not equally invested in policing both sides. Republican misconduct becomes a national emergency. Democratic misconduct becomes complicated, old news, a distraction, a technicality or an amusing historical anecdote.

That is not a free press applying one standard to everyone. It is a partisan gatekeeping system deciding which scandals become history—and which ones are quietly scrubbed from it.
 
So Fauci gets grilled (not too professionally, IMHO) by GOP in Congress regarding his performance as National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases head during Covid). I find it amusing that the DEMS are rushing to his defense, given the following:

- Fauci NEVER explained exactly why American pharmaceutical companies outsourced research to the Wuhan lab in China. He assured the country that the research had nothing to do with virus research .... but he offered NO details. It should be noted that American pharma research labs are prohibited from doing certain research work, while China has lesser restrictions in that regard. So what the hell was the deal? And to date, the status quo story is that Covid originated in a Wuhan lab.

- Fauci okay the use of an upgraded version of the PCR technique to test for Covid. Thing was that this type of test had a less than 50% accuracy rate. The reason for this was that the test was developed by the late Dr. Kary Mullis, who won a Nobel Peace Prize for it. When Fauci and company began to use it to diagnose and confirm the HIV =AIDS stance for treatment, Mullis went on public record stating that his technique WAS NOT AND COULD NOT BE ADAPTED FOR DIAGNOSIS. It could only tell if you had anti-bodies of various diseases, NOT what was making you sick. He challenged Fauci to a public debate in front of any academic venue of his choosing. Fauci declined. Apropos to that, the late Dr. Peter Deusberg, a co-discoverer of the HIV virus, did the due diligence and concluded that HIV DID NOT CAUSE AIDS. He pointed out that all who joined the band wagon otherwise became wealthy and gained prestigious positions, while those who opposed were suddenly defunded of their labs. His book, Inventing the AIDS Virus has yet to be debunked factually.
To date, there has been no scientific peer reviewed paper that proves HIV=AIDS. A paper put out by French (I believe) scientists proves CORRELATION, but NOT CAUSATION.

- Noted cardiologists like Dr. Peter McCullough warned of the long-term effects of the Covid vaccines. Essentially a smear campaign was launched against him DESPITE the fact of the FDA on record warning of potentially dangerous side effects of the vaccines. While the positive proponents of the vaccines tout millions vaccinated with small negative effects, the yearly numbers of cardio-deaths for those vaxxed increase bit by bit, yet little to no coverage of that.

- Fauci pleaded the 5th, "explaining" that since the committee questioning him was plainly bias, all the questions were rigged against him. Hmm, that's the excuse heard by EVERY career criminal since the heyday of La Costra Nostra. That this joker okayed the use of AZT in his initial combat of AIDS and his deplorable mandates during COVID should warrant at least posthumous stripping of his medical license and titles (IMHO, of course).

And the beat goes on.
Comey absolutely had to plead the fifth, this administration as a record of putting enemies under oath, then making the wildest claims that they project themselves over simple, misspeaking, or answers that could be interpreted in several different ways.

Had Fauci not taken the fifth, I guarantee they would’ve found a way to charge him with perjury, no matter how honest he was.

They tried to do it to James Comey
 
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Scandals apparently stop being scandals when Democrats are in the spotlight.

Watergate became the defining political scandal of modern America. Had the same machinery been aimed at protecting Democrats rather than exposing Republicans, I increasingly doubt it would have received the same treatment.

Bill Clinton had a sexual relationship with a young White House intern while occupying the most powerful office in the world. Democrats constantly lecture others about abuses of power, yet Clinton remains a respected party elder who is routinely brought out to campaign for votes.

Clinton also had a substantial, documented association with Jeffrey Epstein. He traveled repeatedly on Epstein’s private plane, moved within his social orbit and has faced legitimate questions about the full extent of that relationship. Yet Democrats show remarkably little interest in examining Clinton with the same intensity they demand for Trump. Epstein matters primarily as a partisan bludgeon. When the trail points toward one of their own icons, their appetite for transparency disappears.

Hillary Clinton operated a private email server for official government business and deleted thousands of emails after they were under subpoena. Democrats treated it as a tedious technicality and nominated her for president.

Joe Biden also kept classified documents in unsecured locations for years. Unlike Trump, however, he was presented as a sympathetic, forgetful old man who was too diminished to prosecute seriously—while the same party simultaneously insisted he was fully capable of serving another four years as president.

Democrats and much of the press spent years dismissing sworn testimony and evidence concerning the Biden family’s foreign business dealings. Then they concealed his obvious cognitive decline, calling damaging footage “cheap fakes” until the deception became impossible to maintain.

Hunter Biden committed multiple crimes, benefited from extraordinary institutional protection and ultimately received a sweeping presidential pardon from his father.

Anthony Fauci received a preemptive pardon covering more than a decade of government service. His private diary entries conflict sharply with the cautious, self-exonerating account he presented publicly, but Democrats have no interest in forcing an honest accounting. They already declared him a hero, so the contradictions must be buried beneath the mythology.

And none of this is new.

Lyndon Johnson’s path to the Senate ran through the infamous 1948 “Box 13” election, in which conveniently late ballots from a machine-controlled precinct delivered him an 87-vote victory. The episode became so notorious that “Landslide Lyndon” entered the political vocabulary. Yet it was eventually softened into colorful folklore about a shrewd politician rather than treated as a foundational corruption scandal in the career of a future Democratic president.

That is how long this has been happening.

The institution supposedly responsible for policing political power has repeatedly shown that it is not equally invested in policing both sides. Republican misconduct becomes a national emergency. Democratic misconduct becomes complicated, old news, a distraction, a technicality or an amusing historical anecdote.

That is not a free press applying one standard to everyone. It is a partisan gatekeeping system deciding which scandals become history—and which ones are quietly scrubbed from it.
Yeah, but the MAGA morons are an especially immature, stupid, grovelling, unpleasant, bratty, snivelling, grievance-filled assholes who...ummm...well, to be honest, I am not sure of where I was going with this. Just wanted to get some of that off my chest.

In the meantime, I hope all is well with you and yours.
 
Doesn't change one iota what I said.

On this I agree. Fauci was an arrogant fool. He thought he was untouchable and ended up getting fucked for it.
He often does that, same as The Rapist, but for some reason, a subset of our culture likes it. Randal Paul will get reelected by a subset of Kentucky voters for as long as he wants.
 
Comey absolutely had to plead the fifth, this administration as a record of putting enemies under oath, then making the wildest claims that they project themselves over simple, miss speaking, or answers that could be interpreted in several different ways.

Had Fauci not taken the fifth, I guarantee they would’ve found a way to charge him with perjury, no matter how honest he was.

They tried to do it to James Comey
People need to understand this and how far the magat Congress is going.

It is one thing to say "i think Comey lied" and refer him for investigation based on that low bar, and quite another to lower the bar so low, because Jack Smith gave you nothing to call a lie so instead you say, as Jim Jordan did, that '...even though everything Jack Smith was literarly true and a full answer to our questions, he should have known what we wanted to know and VOLUNTEERED other info, even though we never asked for it.... thus that is a half truth and i am referring him to the DoJ for investigation'.



House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan accused former special counsel Jack Smith of lying during a congressional deposition. The dispute centers on whether Smith's literal, truthful answers about subpoenaed toll records constituted a "half-truth" because he did not volunteer information about text messages obtained through a separate National Archives subpoena. [1, 2, 3, 4]

NO one, and i mean NO ONE, has to or should be volunteering answers to questions not asked. There is no expectation that a target 'guess or assume what they might want to hear and volunteer it'. Every good defense lawyer tells the client to only answer what was asked and do not speculate and go beyond.
 
"... Fauci pleaded the 5th, "explaining" that since the committee questioning him was plainly bias, all the questions were rigged against him...."

For the record that is not why he took the 5th.

It is crystal clear that at each of these House or Senate committee summons of Trump enemies anything and everything they say will be used by magat Congress people to refer them to the DoJ for potential lies to Congress so the DoJ can open an investigation into the person and dig all thru their lives and cost them lots of money.

They just did that with Jack Smith even though Jim Jordan admitted he told no lies as Jim Jordan basically said 'he should have known what we were asking and gave us that answer anywhere instead of just being factual and accurate'.

As Jack Smith lawyers have said, by this standard everyone under oath could be investigated and prosecuted for what they did not just offer up, despite NEVER being asked.

Fauci is very old and the last thing he wants to do is spend his last days dealing with Courts and the DoJ and with this Trump DoJ we KNOW that is exactly what they want to do to him.
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^ I think the more accurate statement re Fauci is simply that 'because this Trump Congress has fully weaponized the process of testifying before them such that even if you say, what they admit is literally true, factually correct and accurate, as Jim Jordan did with Jack Smith, they will still refer you to DoJ for investigation and Trumps DoJ will use that to launch an invasive and expensive investigation'.

Anyone knowing the above, and knowing they are on Trump's enemy list doing anything but taking the 5th would be a fool.
 
So Fauci gets grilled (not too professionally, IMHO) by GOP in Congress regarding his performance as National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases head during Covid). I find it amusing that the DEMS are rushing to his defense, given the following:

- Fauci NEVER explained exactly why American pharmaceutical companies outsourced research to the Wuhan lab in China. He assured the country that the research had nothing to do with virus research .... but he offered NO details. It should be noted that American pharma research labs are prohibited from doing certain research work, while China has lesser restrictions in that regard. So what the hell was the deal? And to date, the status quo story is that Covid originated in a Wuhan lab.

- Fauci okay the use of an upgraded version of the PCR technique to test for Covid. Thing was that this type of test had a less than 50% accuracy rate. The reason for this was that the test was developed by the late Dr. Kary Mullis, who won a Nobel Peace Prize for it. When Fauci and company began to use it to diagnose and confirm the HIV =AIDS stance for treatment, Mullis went on public record stating that his technique WAS NOT AND COULD NOT BE ADAPTED FOR DIAGNOSIS. It could only tell if you had anti-bodies of various diseases, NOT what was making you sick. He challenged Fauci to a public debate in front of any academic venue of his choosing. Fauci declined. Apropos to that, the late Dr. Peter Deusberg, a co-discoverer of the HIV virus, did the due diligence and concluded that HIV DID NOT CAUSE AIDS. He pointed out that all who joined the band wagon otherwise became wealthy and gained prestigious positions, while those who opposed were suddenly defunded of their labs. His book, Inventing the AIDS Virus has yet to be debunked factually.
To date, there has been no scientific peer reviewed paper that proves HIV=AIDS. A paper put out by French (I believe) scientists proves CORRELATION, but NOT CAUSATION.

- Noted cardiologists like Dr. Peter McCullough warned of the long-term effects of the Covid vaccines. Essentially a smear campaign was launched against him DESPITE the fact of the FDA on record warning of potentially dangerous side effects of the vaccines. While the positive proponents of the vaccines tout millions vaccinated with small negative effects, the yearly numbers of cardio-deaths for those vaxxed increase bit by bit, yet little to no coverage of that.

- Fauci pleaded the 5th, "explaining" that since the committee questioning him was plainly bias, all the questions were rigged against him. Hmm, that's the excuse heard by EVERY career criminal since the heyday of La Costra Nostra. That this joker okayed the use of AZT in his initial combat of AIDS and his deplorable mandates during COVID should warrant at least posthumous stripping of his medical license and titles (IMHO, of course).

And the beat goes on.
He did nothing wrong correct? And he was given a pardon, correct? So why would the useless piece of shit plead the fifth?
 
Doesn't change one iota what I said.

On this I agree. Fauci was an arrogant fool. He thought he was untouchable and ended up getting fucked for it.
To the first part; yeah, it kind of does ... the devil is in the details, NOT just the general category.

To the second part we are in agreement.
 
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