A heavily armed man was arrested outside Trump National Golf Club just days before President Trump’s scheduled visit

Is Trump dead? No. So there was no assassination.

Are you sad about that?

Did someone shoot at Trump? No. So there was no attempt to assassinate.

On the claim: “Did someone shoot at Trump? No. So there was no attempt to assassinate.”


Strictly speaking, no one fired a shot at Trump in the Jeanine John Taele incident. Trump was not present when Taele was arrested, and no attack with gunfire occurred. That narrow point is factually correct.


But the rest of the argument is weaker. Authorities did not treat this as ordinary loitering with a gun. According to the U.S. Attorney’s Office, FBI, and Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department:


  • Taele was observed on the grounds of Trump National Golf Club in Rancho Palos Verdes days before the president’s scheduled visit, photographing and recording security-planning activity while wearing an earpiece.
  • He told agents he was State Department security detail.
  • He had a loaded magazine with hollow-point rounds in his pocket, a loaded pistol in his vehicle, binoculars, and a badge reading “security protection agent.”
  • A search of his home recovered an illegally modified short-barreled AR-platform rifle, additional firearms, body armor, high-capacity magazines, radio devices, and notebooks containing what officials called “concerning statements.”
  • He was already out on bail in a prior robbery case.

Federal prosecutors charged him with possession of an unregistered short-barreled rifle (a felony carrying up to 10 years). Officials described the behavior as “troubling,” said it “raised serious red flags,” and noted they were “thankful he was apprehended before the President’s visit.” The investigation into his motives remains open; Secret Service and the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force are involved.


In both legal and ordinary language, an “assassination attempt” or disrupted plot does not require a shot to have been fired. Substantial preparatory steps — scouting security, arming oneself with modified weapons and body armor, claiming official status, and making concerning written statements — can support attempt, conspiracy, or threat-related charges, and are routinely described as foiled assassination efforts when the target is a president.


The claim is true only if one insists that “attempt” means “successful discharge of a firearm at the target.” Under any broader, practical, or investigative standard used by law enforcement here, the conduct was treated as a serious potential threat that was interrupted early.


 
Are you sad about that?



On the claim: “Did someone shoot at Trump? No. So there was no attempt to assassinate.”


Strictly speaking, no one fired a shot at Trump in the Jeanine John Taele incident. Trump was not present when Taele was arrested, and no attack with gunfire occurred. That narrow point is factually correct.


But the rest of the argument is weaker. Authorities did not treat this as ordinary loitering with a gun. According to the U.S. Attorney’s Office, FBI, and Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department:


  • Taele was observed on the grounds of Trump National Golf Club in Rancho Palos Verdes days before the president’s scheduled visit, photographing and recording security-planning activity while wearing an earpiece.
  • He told agents he was State Department security detail.
  • He had a loaded magazine with hollow-point rounds in his pocket, a loaded pistol in his vehicle, binoculars, and a badge reading “security protection agent.”
  • A search of his home recovered an illegally modified short-barreled AR-platform rifle, additional firearms, body armor, high-capacity magazines, radio devices, and notebooks containing what officials called “concerning statements.”
  • He was already out on bail in a prior robbery case.

Federal prosecutors charged him with possession of an unregistered short-barreled rifle (a felony carrying up to 10 years). Officials described the behavior as “troubling,” said it “raised serious red flags,” and noted they were “thankful he was apprehended before the President’s visit.” The investigation into his motives remains open; Secret Service and the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force are involved.


In both legal and ordinary language, an “assassination attempt” or disrupted plot does not require a shot to have been fired. Substantial preparatory steps — scouting security, arming oneself with modified weapons and body armor, claiming official status, and making concerning written statements — can support attempt, conspiracy, or threat-related charges, and are routinely described as foiled assassination efforts when the target is a president.


The claim is true only if one insists that “attempt” means “successful discharge of a firearm at the target.” Under any broader, practical, or investigative standard used by law enforcement here, the conduct was treated as a serious potential threat that was interrupted early.


I see Grok doesn't understand the English language since Grok went off on a tangent about the law.
My statement was factually correct. Full stop. Any attempt to try to make my statement not correct is a digression or a deflection.
 
I see Grok doesn't understand the English language since Grok went off on a tangent about the law.

Is that so?

Here was my question to Grok, verbatim:

"With reference to the accused, Poor Richard Sanders claims "Did someone shoot at Trump? No. So there was no attempt to assassinate".

My statement was factually correct. Full stop. Any attempt to try to make my statement not correct is a digression or a deflection.

Nobody tried to make it "not correct". Grok responded factually to the prompt. Full stop.
 
Is that so?

Here was my question to Grok, verbatim:

"With reference to the accused, Poor Richard Sanders claims "Did someone shoot at Trump? No. So there was no attempt to assassinate".



Nobody tried to make it "not correct". Grok responded factually to the prompt. Full stop.
No. Grok did not FULL STOP. Grok went off on a tangent about the law while ignoring the actual law.

18 U.S. Code § 1751​

 
No. Grok did not FULL STOP. Grok went off on a tangent about the law while ignoring the actual law. 18 U.S. Code § 1751


Jeanine John Taele has not been charged under § 1751.

The federal charge announced is possession of an unregistered short-barreled rifle (a National Firearms Act violation). State charges are firearms-related plus a prior robbery case. No attempt or conspiracy charge under the presidential assassination statute has been filed as of the latest public information.


On the “tangent” criticism​


My earlier reply was responding to the colloquial claim: “Did someone shoot at Trump? No. So there was no attempt to assassinate.” That is a public/political assertion, not a formal legal question about whether the elements of § 1751(c) are currently met and charged.


I did not claim Taele had been indicted for attempted assassination under § 1751. I noted:


  • No shot was fired and Trump was not present.
  • Authorities described the conduct as “troubling,” said it “raised serious red flags,” and expressed relief he was stopped before the visit.
  • In ordinary language and investigative practice, substantial preparatory acts (scouting security while armed, claiming official status, body armor, modified rifle, “concerning” notebooks) are often treated and described as a disrupted potential threat even if prosecutors ultimately charge clearer, more easily provable offenses first.

Under federal attempt law generally (and under § 1751), an “attempt” requires specific intent plus a substantial step toward the commission of the crime — more than mere preparation or suspicious presence. Whether the publicly described facts would satisfy that standard is a question for prosecutors and, if charged, a jury.

So far they have chosen the firearms charge.
 

A heavily armed man was arrested outside Trump National Golf Club just days before President Trump’s scheduled visit​

The bigoted racist is scared of my guns.
Do my guns scare you, Creepy?
Right wingers want everyone to have guns... And by "everyone" they mean only some peope.

If you think guns are a right, all he did was hang out, which also is a right.

Perhaps you should read the " illegally-modified AR-style rifle" part of the report.
There is no 'illegally modified' in the Constitution of the United States.
ALL weapons (arms) are legal to own. NO government in the United States has any authority to ban or limit any weapon.
Again, if guns are a right...
 
Right wingers want everyone to have guns... And by "everyone" they mean only some peope.

If you think guns are a right, all he did was hang out, which also is a right.



Again, if guns are a right...
So suddenly alt leftie Wally, pride of the democrat party, is a Second Amendment supporter?

:magagrin:
 
Right wingers want everyone to have guns... And by "everyone" they mean only some peope.

Is that so?

If you think guns are a right, all he did was hang out, which also is a right.

The federal charge announced is possession of an unregistered short-barreled rifle (a National Firearms Act violation).

State charges are firearms-related plus a prior robbery case.

In ordinary language and investigative practice, substantial preparatory acts (scouting security while armed, claiming official status, body armor, modified rifle, “concerning” notebooks) are often treated and described as a disrupted potential threat even if prosecutors ultimately charge clearer, more easily provable offenses first.

Again, if guns are a right...

Non sequitur.
 
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