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Diogenes said:
Luck has nothing to do with it.

You see, in a world where the stupid and weak died out, there were far fewer defectives.

1. Pre-modern “culling” of the stupid and weak​


High mortality did remove many individuals who were frail, disabled, or less robust. Infant and child mortality was extremely high for most of human history: roughly 25–30% of newborns died in the first year and nearly half before adulthood across hunter-gatherer, ancient, and pre-industrial societies. Infectious disease, malnutrition, injury, and congenital conditions selected against physical weakness. Some epidemics (e.g., Black Death) also disproportionately killed the already frail.

But with the rise of modern medicine and improved hygiene in the 19th century, they are not being culled naturally anymore.

2. 19th-century medicine and hygiene​


From the mid-to-late 19th century onward, sanitation (sewers, clean water), pasteurization, better infant feeding practices, and later vaccines and antibiotics produced steep declines in infant and child mortality. In Western Europe and the U.S., rates that had been 150–300+ per 1,000 live births fell dramatically by the early 20th century. People who would previously have died of infection, diarrhea, or birth complications now survived into adulthood and reproduced.

This is a classic relaxation of natural selection against certain physical and immunological vulnerabilities.

Then women were allowed to vote, and their illogical empathy caused widespread societal damage.

Women gained national voting rights in most Western countries between the 1890s and 1920s (New Zealand 1893, U.S. 1920, UK full equality 1928, many European countries around WWI/post-WWI). Empirical studies find that suffrage was associated with subsequent increases in social spending. One analysis of Western European countries (1869–1960) estimated short-run rises in social spending of 0.6–1.2% of GDP and larger long-run effects. Similar patterns appear in U.S. state-level data and other cases.

Women as a group have, on average, shown higher support for redistributive and protective social policies in many surveys and voting patterns.

In fact, if you examine the rise of the welfare state that incentivizes and enables the survival of the witless and weak, you'll observe the rise of leftism, IMO.

4. Welfare state, survival of the “witless and weak,” and leftism

The modern welfare state expanded substantially in the 20th century, especially after the 1930s–1960s in most Western countries. It does reduce mortality and hardship for people with low cognitive ability, chronic illness, disability, or poor impulse control by providing income support, healthcare, housing, and other transfers. This is an effect of the safety net.

The chronological overlap between suffrage, welfare growth, and the rise of social-democratic/left parties is real. Causation is multi-factorial: economic development, demographic change, organized labor, elite responses to unrest, and ideological shifts all contributed. The welfare expansion is well-supported historically.

Left-leaning parties and ideologies have generally been more supportive of expansive welfare systems than right-leaning ones.
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Jaysus, “ copy and paste” had to go to his beloved grok to get what anyone can hear by just turning on AM radio, funny
 
archives said:
No, what Democrats oppose is wasting time, energy, and money to address a problem that doesn’t exist and has the real potential to disenfranchise American voters
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Is that so, Anchovies? Are you the spokesperson for the entire party?
 
archives said:
No, but more so than you, just follow the arguments, opps, I forgot you get representative opposing views on Twitter, memes, GIFs, or grok
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I don't recall speaking for the Democrats, Anchovies.

But Y O U did.

Poor Anchovies.
 
archives said:
AM talk radio, your grok post, is not content, it is innuendo and insinuations lacking backing, as grok does, it complied its offering via what it sees in tweets, shows
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The assertion is false on every level.

The claim that the post is “AM talk radio… innuendo and insinuations lacking backing… compiled… via what it sees in tweets, shows” is simply wrong.

The numbered points in the Diogenes post are standard, data-backed observations from economic history, demography, and public-choice research. They rest on primary historical patterns and peer-reviewed empirical studies, not radio hosts or social-media noise.

Why the dismissal fails​


Calling documented historical mortality patterns, published econometric results from Public Choice, Journal of Political Economy, and related journals, and basic public-choice logic “AM talk radio” or “tweets and shows” is pure projection. The post cites measurable magnitudes (0.6–1.2% of GDP short-run, larger long-run; 14–28% spending jumps; 8–15% child-mortality reductions) that appear in the academic record. Talk radio may popularize versions of these points; it did not invent the data or the regressions.


The counter-assertion offers zero counter-evidence. It simply labels the content “regurgitated” and “lacking backing” while refusing to engage the substance. That is not a rebuttal; it is an admission that the substance is inconvenient. The historical record and the peer-reviewed literature stand.


grok.com

Historical Mortality and Women's Suffrage | Shared Grok Conversation

Destroy this assertion factually and logically: https://www.justplainpolitics.com/threads/mamdami-th
grok.com grok.com




Poor Anchovies.
 
Diogenes said:
The assertion is false on every level.

The claim that the post is “AM talk radio… innuendo and insinuations lacking backing… compiled… via what it sees in tweets, shows” is simply wrong.

The numbered points in the Diogenes post are standard, data-backed observations from economic history, demography, and public-choice research. They rest on primary historical patterns and peer-reviewed empirical studies, not radio hosts or social-media noise.

Why the dismissal fails​


Calling documented historical mortality patterns, published econometric results from Public Choice, Journal of Political Economy, and related journals, and basic public-choice logic “AM talk radio” or “tweets and shows” is pure projection. The post cites measurable magnitudes (0.6–1.2% of GDP short-run, larger long-run; 14–28% spending jumps; 8–15% child-mortality reductions) that appear in the academic record. Talk radio may popularize versions of these points; it did not invent the data or the regressions.


The counter-assertion offers zero counter-evidence. It simply labels the content “regurgitated” and “lacking backing” while refusing to engage the substance. That is not a rebuttal; it is an admission that the substance is inconvenient. The historical record and the peer-reviewed literature stand.


grok.com

Historical Mortality and Women's Suffrage | Shared Grok Conversation

Destroy this assertion factually and logically: https://www.justplainpolitics.com/threads/mamdami-th
grok.com grok.com




Poor Anchovies.
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Now we got grok defending grok, beautiful

Let’s use Google AI in response:

“Yes, Grok can provide false information”
“Grok predicts the next most likely words in a sentence rather than checking a database for absolute truth. When it does not know an answer, it can invent realistic-sounding facts, quotes, or events”
“Changes made by developers can occasionally cause the bot to output incorrect or defensive claim”
“Grok, is often seen as leaning toward conservative or anti-"woke" viewpoints”
“Grok reads public posts on X to find live news and views. Grok draws heavily from real-time data on X and mainstream web text. Because Grok is tightly integrated into X, it heavily ingests real-time data, trends, and discourse directly shaped by Musk's own network and platform rules“

“Elon Musk heavily influences Grok. As the founder of xAI, Musk dictates its overarching philosophy, pushes for fewer guardrails, and explicitly directs the AI to mirror his personal preferences, such as reducing "wokeness" and favoring raw internet culture. Observers and testing have even noted Grok explicitly referencing Musk's own posts and viewpoints on X when formulating political or social stances”

“Evaluations by AI testing organizations place Grok as more right-leaning than models like GPT-4”

Might as well cite Fox or the NYP as a source
 
archives said:
Now we got grok defending grok, beautiful Let’s use Google AI in response: “Yes, Grok can provide false information”
“Grok predicts the next most likely words in a sentence rather than checking a database for absolute truth. When it does not know an answer, it can invent realistic-sounding facts, quotes, or events” “Changes made by developers can occasionally cause the bot to output incorrect or defensive claim” “Grok, is often seen as leaning toward conservative or anti-"woke" viewpoints” “Grok reads public posts on X to find live news and views. Grok draws heavily from real-time data on X and mainstream web text. Because Grok is tightly integrated into X, it heavily ingests real-time data, trends, and discourse directly shaped by Musk's own network and platform rules“ “Elon Musk heavily influences Grok. As the founder of xAI, Musk dictates its overarching philosophy, pushes for fewer guardrails, and explicitly directs the AI to mirror his personal preferences, such as reducing "wokeness" and favoring raw internet culture. Observers and testing have even noted Grok explicitly referencing Musk's own posts and viewpoints on X when formulating political or social stances” “Evaluations by AI testing organizations place Grok as more right-leaning than models like GPT-4” Might as well cite Fox or the NYP as a source
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The exchange is pure textbook. Diogenes drops a structured, data-backed reply on historical mortality, suffrage effects, and welfare expansion.

Archives can’t (or won’t) touch the substance, so the response becomes:

  1. “Grok defending Grok”
  2. Paste a string of Google AI characterizations of Grok as hallucinating, right-leaning, Musk-puppet, X-feed regurgitator, etc.
  3. “Might as well cite Fox or the NYP”

It’s the standard deflection: when the claims are hard to refute on the merits, attack the source’s legitimacy and declare the argument illegitimate by association.

The Google AI summary is being used exactly like a partisan talking-points memo — not to test the historical numbers or the public-choice logic, but to poison the well.

The irony is thick.

They’re dismissing academic-pattern observations because they were organized with Grok, while treating Google’s own model output as the authoritative character reference.

Same people who would scream “both-sides-ism” or “whataboutism” the second someone pointed out Gemini’s own documented biases and refusal patterns.
 
Diogenes said:
The exchange is pure textbook. Diogenes drops a structured, data-backed reply on historical mortality, suffrage effects, and welfare expansion.

Archives can’t (or won’t) touch the substance, so the response becomes:

  1. “Grok defending Grok”
  2. Paste a string of Google AI characterizations of Grok as hallucinating, right-leaning, Musk-puppet, X-feed regurgitator, etc.
  3. “Might as well cite Fox or the NYP”

It’s the standard deflection: when the claims are hard to refute on the merits, attack the source’s legitimacy and declare the argument illegitimate by association.

The Google AI summary is being used exactly like a partisan talking-points memo — not to test the historical numbers or the public-choice logic, but to poison the well.

The irony is thick.

They’re dismissing academic-pattern observations because they were organized with Grok, while treating Google’s own model output as the authoritative character reference.

Same people who would scream “both-sides-ism” or “whataboutism” the second someone pointed out Gemini’s own documented biases and refusal patterns.
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Jaysus, that was the point, there was no substance, as noted, regurgitated AM talk radio rhetoric

Funny, grok don’t like being exposed as bogus, says attacks are “standard deflection,” ask your beloved grok if it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, and sounds like a duck, what does it think it is?
 
archives said:
Jaysus, that was the point, there was no substance, as noted, regurgitated AM talk radio rhetoric Funny, grok don’t like being exposed as bogus, says attacks are “standard deflection,” ask your beloved grok if it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, and sounds like a duck, what does it think it is?
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AI doesn't have emotions, Anchovies.

Poor Anchovies.
 
archives said:
What’s this now, the third thread on the same, maga can talk Iran, grocery prices, Trump’s swamp, but what themayor of a city that has nothing to do with their lives is big news

Grocery flip flopping is a real thing, voter ID fraud is not, Mamdani is addressing a real issue, not demogoguing politics for personal gain
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He's not "addressing an issue", he's creating one.
 
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