MMR vaccine "quite lethal" "some people say"

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Trump admitted he has seen no evidence, no studies and no proof that the MMR vaccine is not safe but he has "heard some people say it".

Discuss.

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During an Oval Office event, President Donald Trump signed an executive order targeting childhood immunization guidelines, claiming the combined MMR vaccine could be "quite lethal" and suggesting it be split into separate shots. When asked by reporters for evidence backing his claims, Trump stated, "What I've heard is that there are some people that say it is that way". [1, 2]

Scientific Consensus and Facts
    • Extensive global research and decades of real-world data show the combined measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine is safe and highly effective. [1, 2]
    • Major scientific and medical organizations, including the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the American Academy of Pediatrics, state there is no credible evidence linking the MMR vaccine to autism or showing any medical benefit to splitting the combination shot. [1, 2]
    • Public health experts warn that separating the shots or spacing them out increases health care costs, burdens families with extra doctor visits, and leaves children vulnerable to dangerous, preventable diseases for longer periods. [1]
 
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QP! said:
Trump admitted he has seen no evidence, no studies and no proof that the MMR vaccine is not safe but he has "heard some people say it".

Discuss.

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During an Oval Office event, President Donald Trump signed an executive order targeting childhood immunization guidelines, claiming the combined MMR vaccine could be "quite lethal" and suggesting it be split into separate shots. When asked by reporters for evidence backing his claims, Trump stated, "What I've heard is that there are some people that say it is that way". [1, 2]

Scientific Consensus and Facts
    • Extensive global research and decades of real-world data show the combined measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine is safe and highly effective. [1, 2]
    • Major scientific and medical organizations, including the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the American Academy of Pediatrics, state there is no credible evidence linking the MMR vaccine to autism or showing any medical benefit to splitting the combination shot. [1, 2]
    • Public health experts warn that separating the shots or spacing them out increases health care costs, burdens families with extra doctor visits, and leaves children vulnerable to dangerous, preventable diseases for longer periods. [1]
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This is interesting. You should read it: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10224336/
 
Sailor said:
This is interesting. You should read it: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10224336/
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5. Conclusions​

Vaccine hesitancy is a public health threat. It undermines historical achievements and thwarts years of progress in the fight against infectious diseases. It is marked by low parental vaccine trust, poor vaccination uptake, and high NMEs. The geographic clustering of vaccine hesitancy, particularly against the MMR vaccine, indicates that social drivers shape parental perceptions and decisions on immunization.

The findings of this review may have potential implications in tackling hesitancy toward other vaccines. Geographic clusters of under- and unvaccinated individuals where NMEs predominate and where social determinants facilitate vaccine hesitancy could serve as hotspots for other infectious diseases. As the United States and the world continue to confront the resurgence of vaccine-preventable diseases and the emergence of new infections, and current and future pandemics, it becomes imperative to develop strategies that target the social conditions that drive vaccine hesitancy...
 
QP! said:

5. Conclusions​

Vaccine hesitancy is a public health threat. It undermines historical achievements and thwarts years of progress in the fight against infectious diseases. It is marked by low parental vaccine trust, poor vaccination uptake, and high NMEs. The geographic clustering of vaccine hesitancy, particularly against the MMR vaccine, indicates that social drivers shape parental perceptions and decisions on immunization.

The findings of this review may have potential implications in tackling hesitancy toward other vaccines. Geographic clusters of under- and unvaccinated individuals where NMEs predominate and where social determinants facilitate vaccine hesitancy could serve as hotspots for other infectious diseases. As the United States and the world continue to confront the resurgence of vaccine-preventable diseases and the emergence of new infections, and current and future pandemics, it becomes imperative to develop strategies that target the social conditions that drive vaccine hesitancy...
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Why nothing about whom is driving this?

"Social factors, such as income and education, exerted a bidirectional influence, which facilitated or hindered vaccine compliance depending on how the social determinant was experienced. Fear of autism was the most cited reason for MMR hesitancy. Vaccine hesitancy to MMR and other childhood vaccines clustered in middle- to high-income areas among mothers with a college-level education or higher who preferred internet/social media narratives over physician-based vaccine information. They had low parental trust, low perceived disease susceptibility, and were skeptical of vaccine safety and benefits."
 
Sailor said:
Why nothing about whom is driving this?

"Social factors, such as income and education, exerted a bidirectional influence, which facilitated or hindered vaccine compliance depending on how the social determinant was experienced. Fear of autism was the most cited reason for MMR hesitancy. Vaccine hesitancy to MMR and other childhood vaccines clustered in middle- to high-income areas among mothers with a college-level education or higher who preferred internet/social media narratives over physician-based vaccine information. They had low parental trust, low perceived disease susceptibility, and were skeptical of vaccine safety and benefits."
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Because while one must acknowledge that 'fear in the ignorant masses' is a thing and it can impact USAGE, especially as conspiracy theorists and bad actors, like RFK Jr continually spread lies and fear, that 'fear' has ZERO impact on the science.

And i am not using "ignorant masses" as an insult there. Only a tiny percent of the population is not ignorant on the deep science of this topic.
 
QP! said:
Because while one must acknowledge that 'fear in the ignorant masses' is a thing and it can impact USAGE, especially as conspiracy theorists and bad actors, like RFK Jr continually spread lies and fear, that 'fear' has ZERO impact on the science.

And i am not using "ignorant masses" as an insult there. Only a tiny percent of the population is not ignorant on the deep science of this topic.
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Nice try QP. That demographic is basically white, liberal women. They vote, the scream the loudest. And they could care less what a white, liberal male thinks.
 
Sailor said:
Nice try QP. That demographic is basically white, liberal women. They vote, the scream the loudest. And they could care less what a white, liberal male thinks.
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I wonder if you think that reply above is in any way a meaningful or good reply to the facts i posted.

Part of me thinks you are not so stupid you think it is a good reply... but then i go read some of your other posts.
 
QP! said:
I wonder if you think that reply above is in any way a meaningful or good reply to the facts i posted.

Part of me thinks you are not so stupid you think it is a good reply... but then i go read some of your other posts.
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Yes it is. It is what is behind this whole thing. Your "facts" are media sources twisting what they want you to believe. I gave you a reputable source, during the Biden administration no less. This is not a Trump administration only issue. Never has been.
 
Sailor said:
Yes it is. It is what is behind this whole thing. Your "facts" are media sources twisting what they want you to believe. I gave you a reputable source, during the Biden administration no less. This is not a Trump administration only issue. Never has been.
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and i quoted the CONCLUSIONS of your "reputable source".

it is the conclusion that matters in any source.
 
QP! said:
and i quoted the CONCLUSIONS of your "reputable source".

it is the conclusion that matters in any source.
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Once again, without the cause for all of this. White, liberal women. Even during the Biden administration. My suggestion to you is maybe you pull them aside and school them on science, among other things.
 
Sailor said:
Once again, without the cause for all of this. White, liberal women. Even during the Biden administration. My suggestion to you is maybe you pull them aside and school them on science, among other things.
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People having doubts and fears, especially mothers is natural.

An industry that formed largely on the right wing to maximize that fear by spreading disinformation and doubt, while selling snake oil, is the the much bigger issue.
 
QP! said:
Trump admitted he has seen no evidence, no studies and no proof that the MMR vaccine is not safe but he has "heard some people say it".

Discuss.

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During an Oval Office event, President Donald Trump signed an executive order targeting childhood immunization guidelines, claiming the combined MMR vaccine could be "quite lethal" and suggesting it be split into separate shots. When asked by reporters for evidence backing his claims, Trump stated, "What I've heard is that there are some people that say it is that way". [1, 2]

Scientific Consensus and Facts
    • Extensive global research and decades of real-world data show the combined measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine is safe and highly effective. [1, 2]
    • Major scientific and medical organizations, including the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the American Academy of Pediatrics, state there is no credible evidence linking the MMR vaccine to autism or showing any medical benefit to splitting the combination shot. [1, 2]
    • Public health experts warn that separating the shots or spacing them out increases health care costs, burdens families with extra doctor visits, and leaves children vulnerable to dangerous, preventable diseases for longer periods. [1]
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This devil administration needs to become a footnote in history and crawl back to the swamp it emerged from. They are anti-everything good and decent, and pro-me, myself, and I.
 
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5. Conclusions​

Vaccine hesitancy is a public health threat. It undermines historical achievements and thwarts years of progress in the fight against infectious diseases. It is marked by low parental vaccine trust, poor vaccination uptake, and high NMEs. The geographic clustering of vaccine hesitancy, particularly against the MMR vaccine, indicates that social drivers shape parental perceptions and decisions on immunization.

The findings of this review may have potential implications in tackling hesitancy toward other vaccines. Geographic clusters of under- and unvaccinated individuals where NMEs predominate and where social determinants facilitate vaccine hesitancy could serve as hotspots for other infectious diseases. As the United States and the world continue to confront the resurgence of vaccine-preventable diseases and the emergence of new infections, and current and future pandemics, it becomes imperative to develop strategies that target the social conditions that drive vaccine hesitancy...
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Lying about Jabs as was done with COVID does not help.

The New super shedding flu mRNA jab does not help, as even refusing the jab does not protect you from it.
 
QP! said:
People having doubts and fears, especially mothers is natural.

An industry that formed largely on the right wing to maximize that fear by spreading disinformation and doubt, while selling snake oil, is the the much bigger issue.
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Again making those who make and push jabs liable for damages caused would help with trust.
 

Geert Vanden Bossche

@GVDBossche


Okay to go after Fauci and an entire pack of so-called health experts worldwide who were drowning in their conflicts of interest and, for the sake of their own name and fame, were perfectly willing to literally walk over corpses. But what about the regulatory authorities? They hold the actual police role, after all. The scum at the top let themselves be bought and trotted out fairy tales to justify their reckless approval of these vaccines -vaccines that were, no less, massively administered to entire populations! These creatures must be punished severely for their foremost duty is to guarantee the safety of the vaccines! That duty they wiped, without the slightest scruple, under their bloody boots.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Geert Vanden Bossche
@GVDBossche


Okay to go after Fauci and an entire pack of so-called health experts worldwide who were drowning in their conflicts of interest and, for the sake of their own name and fame, were perfectly willing to literally walk over corpses. But what about the regulatory authorities? They hold the actual police role, after all. The scum at the top let themselves be bought and trotted out fairy tales to justify their reckless approval of these vaccines -vaccines that were, no less, massively administered to entire populations! These creatures must be punished severely for their foremost duty is to guarantee the safety of the vaccines! That duty they wiped, without the slightest scruple, under their bloody boots.
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Road apples.
 
Sailor said:
Once again, without the cause for all of this. White, liberal women. Even during the Biden administration. My suggestion to you is maybe you pull them aside and school them on science, among other things.
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Democratic leaders stand up for vaccination, because it is the right thing to do. trump is a child molester who could care less about the right thing to do.
 
Ahh, but remember that the Covid vaccines were implemented under an emergency condition. Under normal standards, they would NOT have passed the test research. Subsequently, any respected medical doctor/scientists who raised a red flag was suddenly sandbagged.
 
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