Wrong, but then aren't you always? We had a bipartisan immigration reform bill in 2024. But the MAGATs refused to pass it on your #TangerineTyrant's so-say because he needs the immigration issue to whip your xenophobic flames and get himself elected
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Wrong, but then aren't you always? We had a bipartisan immigration reform bill in 2024. But the MAGATs refused to pass it on your #TangerineTyrant's so-say because he needs the immigration issue to whip your xenophobic flames and get himself elected
ModernDiogenes
Well-known member
Thank you.
Even with all the typos?
Sometimes Iโm sleepless next to the Mrs and typing on a small keypad in the wee hours. No glasses, arthritic fingers. {dumb grin}. I read them back if responding the next morning and amazed at the typos and spellcheck fails.
Thank you.
Even with all the typos?
Sometimes Iโm sleepless next to the Mrs and typing on a small keypad in the wee hours. No glasses, arthritic fingers. {dumb grin}. I read them back if responding the next morning and amazed at the typos and spellcheck fails.Thank you.
You project a lot while crying, lying and looking like a dumbass.
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
I never claimed 13,000 people have been killed by illegals. I claimed the number of Americans killed by foreign, illegal aliens is greater than zero and that whatever that number is, it is 100% higher than it should be. I also don't care what those people were killed with, or the method used. That is irrelevant to my argument.
Your attempt to redirect this discussion to one of gun control is nothing by a red herring coupled to a non sequitur and tu quoque fallacy.
Ummm...since you seem to know, TA, and since I am curious and don't know anyone else who does...
...what is the number? How many were killed by foreign, illegal aliens?
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
"Bipartisan" means nothing. It is irrelevant. What's relevant is what was in that bill. It was a shit piece of legislation.
It included such stupidities as:
If border encounters reached over 4,000 in a 7 day period special rules could be activated to expedite expulsions. Well, Trump has proved that is irrelevant if you simply enforce existing immigration laws and toss people who cross in jail until they can be deported. Under Trump, average daily, illegal, border crossings have fallen just below 200.
It would slightly tighten asylum rules by reducing the categories that could apply. Another irrelevance if the existing asylum laws were reasonably enforced, instead of like under Biden, allowing anyone in for any reason if they claimed asylum.
It would have no effect on legal crossings.
Persons caught at the border entering illegally could be returned to Mexico rather than their country of origin. That just means they can try to sneak in tomorrow again...
It would "speed up" the asylum and hearing process. Unlikely given the sheer number of people in the system mainly because of Biden.
Would open several new paths to legal residence and possibly citizenship. We don't need illegals any more than we need huge numbers of H-1B visa holders. Corporations want that because they like the cheap, almost slave, labor H-1B's create.
Increase funding for something... How usual, how worthless.
That bill was a waste of paper.
What I see with ICE is they are doing their job in difficult circumstances and assholes, like you, are acting like the violent thugs you are towards them in an attempt to keep criminals in the country.
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
Don't know. I do KNOW it is greater than ZERO (0).
If you do know that it is greater than zero...you must know the number. Are you saying it is at least 1?
Can you name the victim and the perpetrator, TA?
Just want to be sure you are actually stating a fact, or just a guess. (Which does not sound unreasonable to me.)
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
Yes, it is at least 1 and likely more than 100. All of that is reasonable while all you are doing is trying to turn this into an argumentum ad infinitum. But, to shut you up:
List of Americans killed by illegal immigrants โ Americans Killed by illegal immigrants
americanskilledbyillegals.org
White House Posts List of Americans Killed by Illegal Immigrants With Caption 'Our Why'
The White House video lists Americans killed in crimes involving people described as illegal immigrants. Cases range from fatal stabbings to drunk driving and hit-and-run crashes.
www.ibtimes.co.uk
DHS Honors Victims of Illegal Alien Crime | Homeland Security
DHS honors the strength and resilience of victims affected by crimes committed by illegal aliens โ families shattered by murder, children subjected to sexual abuse and exploitation, women brutalized, and law enforcement officers targeted simply for doing their jobs.
Criminal Alien Statistics
U.S. Customs and Border Protection provides information on border security, trade, travel, customs regulations, trusted traveler programs and enforcement news to the public.
www.cbp.gov
Laken Riley murder: Five other times illegal immigrants were charged with murder
The brutal murder of Georgia nursing student Laken Riley is the latest in a string of violent crimes allegedly committed by immigrants who were released
www.washingtonexaminer.com
Let the equivocating begin!
Nomad
Verified User
I notice that you gave one of your usual "whataboutism" non-responses when I pointed out the same thing about the number of children (mostly little girls) who've been molested and/or raped by the J6 felons trump pardoned.
Why does one bad thing matter to you but the other doesn't even get a response?
Nomad
Verified User
So is the number of children (mostly little girls) who've been molested and/or raped by the J6 felons trump pardoned.
Why does one bad thing matter to you but the other doesn't even get a response?
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
You really don't understand how debate, reasoned discussions, and argument goes. You keep changing the subject rather than staying on topic.
We are discussing the number of people murdered in the US by illegals. Everything else to that is just a distraction. I answered the direct question and gave evidence of the number of persons murdered by illegals, which is greater than zero, and greater than one.
Nomad
Verified User
Fine.
Now I'm asking you what you think about the little girls who were molested and raped by trump's J6 pardon recipients because it's a similar enough situation and close enough to the topic to be germane because the number of them is also greater than zero and 100% more than it should be.
The reason I'm asking you that of course, is for the purpose of pointing out your blatant hypocrisy on the issue of unintended consequences of government policy.
The reason why you obfuscate and refuse to answer is obviously because you don't want to have your hypocrisy pointed out.
Everyone can see that you're a massive hypocrite and too chickenshit to address the issue.
Mission accomplished.
My work is done here.
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
I don't give a shit about that subject. Most of what you claim is speculative or cherry picked at best. A three-hour riot that has not been repeated anywhere in the US is hardly the basis for a sound argument for questioning if some illegal aliens in the US have committed murder.
Again, your reasoning is a failure. The pardon of someone for a specific crime does not preclude that person from going on to commit additional crimes. That makes no comparison to someone who is in the commission of one crime (illegally being in the US) committing another (murder). If an illegal alien were pardoned for that action and then went on to commit a murder, you might have something, but even then that's a rather weak argument.
You just don't like my answers and keep pressing the same one as rebuttal even as that rebuttal fails each time.
I did address the issue, and if all you've got is another lame attempt to compare J6 to whatever crime we're actually discussing, you will continue to fail miserably.
And what a clusterfuck of a train wreck you've made of your position.
I see you and Into the NIght are dating again. I love that for you!
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
Nope. I actually use real logical fallacies and normally explain why I called something a logical fallacy. For example, in the post you quoted, I claimed that Nomad's argument was:
A red herring. This is a fallacy in which the user tries to submit an argument redirecting things away from the actual subject. Trying to argue about gun control rather than murders by illegals makes Nomad's argument a red herring.
It was also an non sequitur. That is, it was completely irrelevant to the original argument.
As a whole, Nomad presented a tu quoque. That is also known as 'whataboutism' and is often a form of ad hominem.
ITN, on the other hand, likes to make up random fallacies that are a form of SWAGPOOYA.
stephenPE
Verified User
Cmon Lurch, tell us what you really think about him and quit holding back.............
Nomad
Verified User
Poor little Twinkie Ass Gardner.
Tries to make subject changing the issue after he changed the subject first, even though everyone knows that in these JPP threads, straying away from the original topic is a common occurrence and a normal state of affairs
No thread around here ever goes from start to finish while sticking to the original topic. You're obviously hiding behind that because you're too gutless to address the point I made about your hypocrisy on the issue of the unintended consequences of government policy. Something that is 100% germane to the subject YOU brought up.
The subject of this (my) thread, is... the big, fat (typical) right-wing lie told by the creator of the meme I used in the OP.
But rather than address that subject, which was the blatant and typical rightwing dishonesty displayed in the aforementioned meme via the use of such a grossly inflated figure, you instead opted to obfuscate and change the subject to "anything over zero is too much".
Then, after I was gracious enough to let you get away with it, you have the unmitigated gall to accuse me of changing the subject after I applied your own logic right back on you.
The truly amusing part is how your angry and indignant reaction to it, is a clear indication of how badly I struck a nerve. I obviously reminded you of something about yourself that you hate to think about... which is what a hypocrite and a chickenshit you are.
But make no mistake, I do love kicking your ass around here.
Yah, know - some folks need a virtual wallop upside the had sometimes. Of course, if they're a trumptard, very little damage and be done - nothing useful in there.