What's the beef?

[Diogenes]

The “Argentine beef deal” is two different stories taped together. One is a financial backstop for Argentina. The other is a tariff change so more lean grinding meat can enter the U.S. They are not the same thing, and the second one is not the government writing a check to Argentinians for steak.

What actually happened​

1. The money story (fall 2025)
Treasury opened a roughly $20 billion currency-swap / credit line with Argentina’s central bank through the Exchange Stabilization Fund to stabilize the peso and support Javier Milei’s government. Argentina later repaid what it drew. That is the “billions for Argentina” Democrats keep citing when they talk about EBT, Medicare, and Medicaid.


2. The beef story

• February 2026: Trump raised Argentina’s low-tariff quota for lean beef trimmings by 80,000 metric tons (from 20,000 to 100,000 for the year).
• August 21–26, 2026: He announced, then proclaimed, another 300,000 metric tons of lean trimmings over about 90 days with no out-of-quota tariff, with exporters committed to sell at 25% below current market prices. The August window is not written as “Argentina only,” but Argentina is the country people attach to it because of the February deal.

This is a tariff-rate quota change. Private packers and importers buy the meat. The U.S. Treasury is not purchasing Argentine beef and handing it out.

Why U.S. ranchers were “bypassed”​

Not because someone decided Americans should eat Argentine steak instead of American steak.


Ground beef in this country is a blend. U.S. fed cattle are finished grain-heavy and produce a lot of fat trim. Burgers need lean trim (the “90CL” stuff). That lean comes mostly from:

• U.S. cull cows and bulls, and
• imports from grass-based producers (Australia, New Zealand, Brazil, Argentina, etc.).

Right now the domestic lean supply is short:

• The U.S. beef cow herd is at a multi-decade low (about 28.5 million head as of July 2026). Rebuild takes years; you keep heifers instead of selling them.
• Drought, high feed costs, and years of liquidation shrank the herd.
• Mexico feeder-cattle shipments were restricted over New World screwworm.
• Cow and bull slaughter — the main U.S. source of lean trim — is down hard.
• Demand for beef stayed strong, so retail ground beef hit record territory (around $6.70–$6.90/lb depending on the month).

The U.S. already imports a lot of beef. In the first half of 2026 the big suppliers were Brazil, Australia, Canada, Mexico, and New Zealand. Argentina was a small slice until the quota was opened.


So the rationale is: add lean grind stock quickly so hamburger prices ease while the U.S. herd rebuilds. That is a consumer-price play, not a rancher-price play. Ranchers finally had high cattle prices after a brutal decade. Extra lean imports, especially dumped in the fall when calves sell, pull those prices down and can slow heifer retention. That is why cattle groups and farm-state Republicans are angry too — this is not a Democrat-only complaint.

The “give the funds to EBT / Medicare / Medicaid” line​

That mixes two budgets that do not mix.

Claim	Reality
“He’s giving millions to Argentinians for beef”	The quota does not spend appropriated dollars on foreign cattle. Importers buy the meat. Lower tariffs cut duty revenue; they do not create a slush fund.
“Use that money for SNAP/EBT”	SNAP is an appropriated entitlement. The Argentina facility was an ESF swap line. You cannot lawfully scoop swap capacity or tariff policy and drop it into food stamps.
“Use it for Medicare/Medicaid”	Same problem. Different statutes, different accounts, different eligibility rules.

The political rhyme Democrats are using is older than this proclamation: in late 2025 they contrasted the Argentina package with SNAP fights during the shutdown — “money for Milei, none for food stamps.” That is a talking point about priorities, not a description of how the beef quota works.

The price-howl vs. import-howl​

A week of “beef is too expensive” and a week of “don’t import beef” can both be true for different people.

• Shoppers and pollsters care about the grocery ticket.
• Ranchers care about fed-cattle and calf prices that fund the next cow.
• Packers like cheap lean imports because they blend them and keep plants running when U.S. cows are scarce.

Imports of this size are not a magic 25% off every package of hamburger. Analysts who modeled the earlier Argentina quota expansion found only a small effect on retail prices (on the order of cents per pound for that smaller tranche), while the risk to rancher confidence and fall calf sales is immediate. The August 300,000-ton window is larger and timed worse for ranchers. Whether it moves the grocery aisle much is an empirical question; whether it undercuts the price signal to rebuild the herd is the ranchers’ actual objection.


Plain version: the U.S. does not have enough lean grinding meat at home right now. Opening the tariff door lets packers buy that lean cheaper and faster than waiting three to five years for more American cows. That can help the person buying burger. It can hurt the person raising the next calf. It does not transfer Medicaid money to Buenos Aires.

Argentina Beef Quota Eases Prices | Shared Grok Conversation

Democrats are howling over the Argentine beef deal. They were howling about high beef prices a week

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[Diogenes]

Is the POTUS recklessly endangering the health of US consumers in light of the recent Chinese refusal of Argentine beef?

No. China’s March action does not show that the president is dumping rejected, contaminated Argentine beef into U.S. grocery stores. The viral version stitches three separate facts into one story that the public record does not support.

What China actually did​

On March 19, 2026, Chinese customs flagged one container — about 22 metric tons — from one plant: ArreBeef’s Pérez Millán facility (establishment 2082) in Buenos Aires province. They reported chloramphenicol, an antibiotic banned for food animals in China, the United States, and Argentina (Argentina banned it in livestock in 1995). China then suspended that plant, not the country.


What did not happen:

• China did not ban Argentine beef as a category. Other Argentine plants kept shipping. Another ArreBeef plant stayed eligible. In July–August China even authorized additional Argentine plants.
• There is no public evidence that the 22-ton container was rerouted to the United States. A lot that is rejected at a Chinese port is destroyed, returned, or held — it does not automatically become next month’s U.S. grind.
• SENASA’s trace-back looked at farms feeding that lot and publicly treated a false positive, look-alike compound, or cross-contamination as live possibilities. They did not publish a finding that the industry was systematically dosing cattle with chloramphenicol.

Chloramphenicol is a real concern if it is in food (rare but serious bone-marrow toxicity, including aplastic anemia). That is why both China and the U.S. use a zero-tolerance standard. A single hit at one plant is a plant-level event, not proof that 300,000 tons of lean trim is poisoned.

How U.S. import rules actually work​

Argentina is already an FSIS-eligible country for raw beef. Eligible foreign plants must meet a system USDA has judged equivalent to U.S. inspection. Product still faces import reinspection at the border: documents, labels, condition, and targeted sampling that can include residues. Chloramphenicol is banned here too; a confirmed detection is grounds to refuse the lot.


The August tariff window does not waive that. It changes duty, not the residue or disease rules. Argentina also remains subject to foot-and-mouth and BSE rules that limit how beef can enter (cooked or otherwise restricted from FMD zones; Patagonia has a different status). Lean frozen trim for grind is a different product stream than a bone-in container China tested, but the residue ban applies to both.

The separate U.S. recall people are mixing in​

In August, FSIS announced a recall of about 29,600 pounds (~13.4 metric tons) of Argentine cuts imported by Corte Argentino USA (Frigorifico Gorina, not ArreBeef). Reason given: the product skipped required import reinspection, not a positive test for chloramphenicol or pathogens. Argentine authorities said the same: paperwork/process failure, not a finding of contamination. Class I labeling is conservative when inspection was skipped; FSIS also said it had no confirmed illnesses.


That is a process failure, and it is fair to say import volume plus sloppy reinspection is a real oversight risk. It is not the China lot, and it is not evidence that the White House ordered unsafe meat onto the market.

Bottom line​

Claim	Status
China rejected 22 tons from one ArreBeef plant over chloramphenicol	True
China banned all Argentine beef	False
That rejected container is what the U.S. is now importing	No evidence
U.S. allows chloramphenicol in imported beef	False — zero tolerance; FSIS can refuse the lot
Quota/tariff change cancels FSIS reinspection	False
Recent U.S. recall of Argentine beef = same contamination case	False — different plant, missed reinspection

Reckless endangerment would require showing that the administration is waiving residue testing, accepting a plant China just flagged, or routing the rejected container into commerce. None of that is in the official actions. Expanding lean-trim quota while a plant in the same country just failed a residue test is a political and confidence problem, and ranchers will use it. It is not the same as proving Americans are being fed the China-rejected beef.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Multiple threads on the same subject is clutter that degrades JPP.

 

[Diogenes]

Multiple threads on the same subject is clutter that degrades JPP.

File a report.

 

[Diogenes]

Tbird’s post in Brad's thread is heat, not arithmetic. The linked post is #23 (@Tbird19482), answering Diogenes.

Here is what he actually claimed, line by line.

“Trump buying billions of dollars of Argentina cattle that China won’t to save the Argentina Cattle ranchers and fucking the US cattle ranchers… Now it will cost the US taxpayer not only that 400 Billion but he will come back and have to bail out the US cattle ranchers he fucked over with another 400 billion… run up the debt another Trillion.”

That is four separate errors stacked into one paragraph.

What Tbird got wrong​

1. The U.S. is not “buying” Argentine cattle with a Treasury check.
The August action is a tariff-rate quota: up to 300,000 metric tons of lean beef trimmings can enter for ~90 days without the high out-of-quota duty, with exporters saying they will sell 25% below current market. Private importers and packers buy the meat. There is no USDA purchase order for Argentine cows.

2. China did not refuse “Argentina’s cattle.”
China flagged one 22-ton container from one plant (ArreBeef, Pérez Millán) for chloramphenicol and suspended that plant. China kept buying from other Argentine plants, including another ArreBeef plant. There is no evidence the rejected container was rerouted here. Chloramphenicol is also banned in the U.S.; FSIS reinspection can refuse a lot that tests positive.

3. “400 billion” is invented.
The Argentina money people keep citing was a ~$20 billion Exchange Stabilization Fund swap line in late 2025. Argentina repaid the draw. Talk of a second $20 billion private facility was later scaled down. Nobody appropriated $400 billion to buy Argentine beef, and the quota does not spend $400 billion. Two of Tbird’s $400 billions already get him to $800 billion; then he rounds it to “another trillion.” That is forum math.

4. SNAP / Medicare / Medicaid are not a leftover pot from this deal.
You cannot take a tariff cut or a repaid swap line and drop it into EBT. Different statutes, different accounts. Lower tariffs reduce duty collections; they do not create a slush fund for food stamps. That is the same category error Democrats used in October 2025 during the SNAP/shutdown fight, now recycled as if the August grind-trim window were a gift check to Buenos Aires.

5. Ranchers being hurt is the one part that is a real argument.
Flooding lean trim into the market in September–November, when spring calves sell, can knock cattle prices and slow herd rebuild. Farm Bureau and NCBA are saying that. You can make that case without claiming a $400 billion purchase of China’s rejects. Mixing a valid rancher complaint with fake sticker prices is why Diogenes kept asking him to look up the facts.

Scale, so the thread has numbers​

Thing	Actual size
China rejection	~22 metric tons, one plant
Feb 2026 extra Argentina quota	+80,000 MT lean trim for the year
Aug 2026 tariff window	300,000 MT lean trim / ~90 days (~660 million lb)
U.S. commercial beef production (2026 forecast)	~25 billion lb
U.S. beef imports already forecast 2026	~6.1 billion lb
Argentina swap line	$20B facility; draw repaid
Tbird’s “400 billion + 400 billion”	Not a documented outlay

300,000 MT is not nothing — analysts have called it on the order of 40-odd days of U.S. ground-beef use — but it is not a $400 billion cattle bailout and it is not the 22-ton China lot.

 

[Diogenes]

Tbird wondered " just how much this will cost the US taxpayer when Trump has to bailout out [SIC] cattle ranchers."

Nobody has announced a cattle bailout for this import window. Tbird is pricing a program that does not exist, then rounding it to $400 billion. That number has no USDA, CBO, or White House source behind it.

What this policy costs taxpayers​

The August proclamation is a duty cut, not a purchase.

• The government is not writing checks to Argentine ranchers for 300,000 metric tons.
• Importers buy the lean trim. The taxpayer cost, if any, is tariff revenue not collected on that extra in-quota volume, plus whatever political pressure later produces an ad-hoc payment.
• White House fact sheet: 90 days, 100,000 tons a month, lean trimmings only, claimed 25% discount, and they argue it hits cull-cow / grind more than fed-steer prices. Ranchers dispute that last part.

Lost duty on 300,000 MT of lean trim is in the hundreds of millions at most, not hundreds of billions. Out-of-quota beef duty is 26.4% ad valorem. Even if you valued the whole tranche at a high import price, you do not get anywhere near Tbird’s figure.

There is no standing “imports knocked our calf prices down, send $400 billion” program. When cattle get checks, it is usually disaster aid or a one-off political program.

Program	What it was for	Ballpark taxpayer cost
Livestock Forage / Indemnity / ELAP (standing)	Drought, death loss, emergency feed — not import prices	Varies by year; disaster livestock aid is typically low billions, not tens of billions
Emergency Livestock Relief (2023–24 drought/flood/fire)	Weather losses	About $2 billion authorized; ~$1.9 billion paid out
Livestock Compensation Program (2002–03)	Drought-era cattle payments	About $1.2 billion
Market Facilitation Program 2018–19	Trade-war crop (mostly soy) compensation — Tbird’s real analogy	About $23 billion over two years
Farmer Bridge Assistance (2025–26)	Row-crop “bridge” payments	$11–12 billion, almost all corn, soy, cotton, etc. — not a cattle check
COVID livestock / CFAP era	Pandemic market wreck	Tens of billions across all commodities, not cattle-only

EWG’s long-run tally of livestock-related USDA subsidies since the 1990s is tens of billions over decades, including disaster, dairy, and pandemic buys — not a single $400 billion cattle rescue.

The closest historical rhyme to Tbird’s fear is the first-term soybean bailout: tariffs closed a market, prices fell, USDA used CCC authority and cut checks. That was ~$23 billion, concentrated on the biggest farms, and it still was not $400 billion.

Would this import window force a bailout?​

Only if three things line up:

1. Calf and cull-cow prices drop hard in the September–November sale window (Farm Bureau says ~70% of spring calves sell then).
2. Ranchers and farm-state Republicans make enough noise that USDA or Congress treats it like the China soy shock.
3. Someone designs a price-support program. Standing LIP/LFP/ELAP do not pay because imports arrived. Those pay for dead animals, burned grass, and emergency feed.

Cattle prices were already high after a 75-year-low cow herd. The industry complaint is that imports steal the signal to keep heifers and rebuild. That is a herd-cycle argument, not an automatic appropriation.

If they did copy the soy playbook, history says the check would more likely be in the low-to-mid billions, maybe low tens of billions if they also fold in drought and feed costs — not Tbird’s $400 billion plus another $400 billion.


Tbird’s post #21 is three sentences. Each one treats a different thing as if it were the same pile of cash.

“I guess taking billions of dollars away from US cattle ranchers and giving it to Argentina's ranchers then having to bail out the US cattle ranchers with US taxpayers money is ‘Completely unrelated.’ Just like when Trump fucked the US soybean farmers and we had to bail them out. That is taxpayer money that could go to the SNAP program and Medicare and medicaid…”

Here is what that gets wrong.

1. Nobody is “taking billions from U.S. ranchers and giving it to Argentina’s ranchers”​

That language describes a transfer payment. This policy is not one.


The August action lets private firms import up to 300,000 metric tons of lean beef trimmings for about 90 days without the high out-of-quota tariff, with exporters saying they will sell 25% below current market. U.S. packers buy the trim. The Treasury does not cut a check to an Argentine ranch.


What can happen to U.S. ranchers is a price effect: more lean grind stock in September–November can pressure calf and cull-cow prices. That is an income hit in the market, not the government seizing rancher revenue and mailing it to Buenos Aires.


“Billions away from us, given to them” collapses those two things on purpose.

2. There is no cattle bailout attached to this order​

Tbird treats the bailout as a scheduled second invoice. It is not.


No USDA program announced this week pays ranchers because of the lean-trim window. Standing livestock programs (LIP, LFP, ELAP) pay for dead animals, drought forage, emergency feed — not “imports arrived.” A later political rescue is possible. It is not appropriated, not scored, and not $400 billion (that number appears in his later posts, not this one). Past livestock disaster packages have been in the $1–2 billion range. The last big “trade policy wrecked your price” check was the soybean Market Facilitation Program at about $23 billion over two years — and that was mostly row crops, not cattle.


He is costing a program that has not been written.

3. The soybean analogy is only half-right, and he uses the wrong half​

Right: Trump’s first-term China tariffs slammed soy exports. USDA then paid farmers through MFP. That was taxpayer money used to offset a policy the same administration created.


Wrong: this beef window is not that mechanism. Soy: tariffs blocked U.S. exports, then CCC checks. Beef: a tariff cut on imports of lean trim. Different direction, different legal tool, no purchase of Argentine cattle, no MFP-style cattle envelope announced.


You can say “he has a habit of breaking a farm market and then cutting checks.” That is a political point. You cannot say this lean-trim quota is the soy bailout.

4. SNAP / Medicare / Medicaid are not sitting in the same drawer​

This is the category error that runs through the whole thread.

• SNAP, Medicare, and Medicaid are separately appropriated entitlements. The president cannot slide “beef deal money” into EBT.
• The Argentina ~$20 billion item people keep citing was an Exchange Stabilization Fund currency swap. Argentina repaid the draw. That is not a beef-purchase appropriation, and it is not SNAP budget authority.
• Cutting the out-of-quota beef tariff reduces duty collections. It does not create a spare $X billion to move to Medicaid.

“That is taxpayer money that could go to SNAP” only works if there is a pot of appropriated cash being spent on Argentine ranchers. In this post, that pot is assumed, not shown.

5. What he is answering​

Crepitus’s “Lol, no” was aimed at tying the China 22-ton residue hit, the 300,000-ton tariff window, and the Argentina finance package into one story. Tbird’s reply assumes the tie is already a fiscal transfer. That is why Diogenes' next post is the right question: can a president randomly divert this into SNAP and Medicaid?

 

[Diogenes]

Post #39 in Brad's thread (7085420)​

@Taichiliberal: “Also, am I mistaken or is that dubious beef going to show up on the American markets? And if so, will they tell us if it's from Argentina?”

Will some Argentine beef show up?

Yes — it already does. Argentina has been an eligible FSIS supplier. The February quota expansion was explicitly Argentine lean trim. The August 300,000-ton window is not written as Argentina-only; any eligible country can fill lean-trim HTS codes on a first-come basis. People assume Argentina because of the earlier deal and Milei politics. That assumption is reasonable. It is not the same as “the China-rejected container is coming here.”


Will the package say Argentina?

Often no, and that is the one part of the post that is a real consumer issue.


Congress repealed mandatory country-of-origin labeling for beef and pork in 2015 after a WTO fight with Canada and Mexico.

Muscle cuts imported as whole product still carry a Customs origin. Ground beef is the problem child: lean foreign trim is blended with fatter U.S. trim in a U.S. plant. After that, shoppers usually see a store-brand chub, not “Product of Argentina.” Voluntary “Product of USA” now means born, raised, harvested, and processed in the United States — so if you want to avoid imports, that label is the filter, not the silence on the cheap grind. Mandatory MCOOL for beef is still a Hill fight; it is not the law today.


“Dubious” is doing too much work. The China lot was 22 tons at one plant. The August U.S. recall of ~30,000 lb was missed reinspection, not a chloramphenicol positive. Those are process and residue events, not a finding that Argentine beef as a class is unfit.


The dictator line is opinion. It does not change the labeling rules.

Post #40 (7085423)​

@Hawkeye10: “Several countries to include the USA have in recent years rejected this countries beef because it fails lab tests. That's a Big Motherfucking Problem.”

Partial fact, wrong scale.


Importers reject lots. That is what inspection is for. FSIS’s own Argentina audit covering Nov 2019–Oct 2022: about 131 million pounds re-inspected; 130,168 pounds refused for public-health reasons (STEC, residues, abscesses) and more for labels/damage. That is a refusal rate on the order of 0.1% of the pounds they extra-tested in that window — not “the country failed lab tests.” FSIS still lists Argentina as eligible.


Other “rejections” people pile on are usually plant-level or certificate-level, not a national ban:

Event	What it actually was
China, March 2026	One plant (ArreBeef Pérez Millán), one ~22-ton container, chloramphenicol; other Argentine plants kept shipping
China, 2016	Separate plant (Ecocarnes), same drug class — old, plant-specific
U.S., August 2026	Gorina cuts missed reinspection; Argentina said no contamination finding
Chile, 2025	FMD-zone / bone-in certificate fight with Patagonia — animal-health paperwork, not a burger-antibiotic scare
South Africa, 2026	Oxtail certificate / FMD language dispute

Argentina is still FMD-affected outside Patagonia, which is why APHIS restricts product form (boneless, certain processing). That is a livestock-disease rule, not “it failed the lab so we should treat every ton as poison.”


A lab fail at the border is how the system is supposed to work. Calling every refused lot proof that 300,000 tons is a “big motherfucking problem” skips the denominator: hundreds of millions of pounds already entered, most cleared, FSIS still calls the inspection system equivalent.

 

[Diogenes]

@Tbird19482 is big butthurt.

Good.

 

[Tbird19482]

Post #39 in Brad's thread (7085420)​

Will some Argentine beef show up?

Yes — it already does. Argentina has been an eligible FSIS supplier. The February quota expansion was explicitly Argentine lean trim. The August 300,000-ton window is not written as Argentina-only; any eligible country can fill lean-trim HTS codes on a first-come basis. People assume Argentina because of the earlier deal and Milei politics. That assumption is reasonable. It is not the same as “the China-rejected container is coming here.”


Will the package say Argentina?

Often no, and that is the one part of the post that is a real consumer issue.


Congress repealed mandatory country-of-origin labeling for beef and pork in 2015 after a WTO fight with Canada and Mexico.

Muscle cuts imported as whole product still carry a Customs origin. Ground beef is the problem child: lean foreign trim is blended with fatter U.S. trim in a U.S. plant. After that, shoppers usually see a store-brand chub, not “Product of Argentina.” Voluntary “Product of USA” now means born, raised, harvested, and processed in the United States — so if you want to avoid imports, that label is the filter, not the silence on the cheap grind. Mandatory MCOOL for beef is still a Hill fight; it is not the law today.


“Dubious” is doing too much work. The China lot was 22 tons at one plant. The August U.S. recall of ~30,000 lb was missed reinspection, not a chloramphenicol positive. Those are process and residue events, not a finding that Argentine beef as a class is unfit.


The dictator line is opinion. It does not change the labeling rules.

Post #40 (7085423)​

Partial fact, wrong scale.


Importers reject lots. That is what inspection is for. FSIS’s own Argentina audit covering Nov 2019–Oct 2022: about 131 million pounds re-inspected; 130,168 pounds refused for public-health reasons (STEC, residues, abscesses) and more for labels/damage. That is a refusal rate on the order of 0.1% of the pounds they extra-tested in that window — not “the country failed lab tests.” FSIS still lists Argentina as eligible.


Other “rejections” people pile on are usually plant-level or certificate-level, not a national ban:

Event	What it actually was
China, March 2026	One plant (ArreBeef Pérez Millán), one ~22-ton container, chloramphenicol; other Argentine plants kept shipping
China, 2016	Separate plant (Ecocarnes), same drug class — old, plant-specific
U.S., August 2026	Gorina cuts missed reinspection; Argentina said no contamination finding
Chile, 2025	FMD-zone / bone-in certificate fight with Patagonia — animal-health paperwork, not a burger-antibiotic scare
South Africa, 2026	Oxtail certificate / FMD language dispute

Argentina is still FMD-affected outside Patagonia, which is why APHIS restricts product form (boneless, certain processing). That is a livestock-disease rule, not “it failed the lab so we should treat every ton as poison.”


A lab fail at the border is how the system is supposed to work. Calling every refused lot proof that 300,000 tons is a “big motherfucking problem” skips the denominator: hundreds of millions of pounds already entered, most cleared, FSIS still calls the inspection system equivalent.

LOL keep up the good work at least if you are here spreading your lies and BS about me your not doing it to some one else.
Have a nice night ASSHOLE.

 

[Diogenes]

LOL keep up the good work at least if you are here spreading your lies and BS about me your not doing it to some one else. Have a nice night ASSHOLE.

As Desh would say, I kicked your ass with FACTS.

 

[Tbird19482]

As Desh would say, I kicked your ass with FACTS.

More like LIES and a LOT of BULLSHIT.
Have a nice night you FUCKING ASSHOLE.

 

[Diogenes]

More like LIES and a LOT of BULLSHIT.

Nope.

Have a nice night you FUCKING ASSHOLE.

I kicked your ass with FACTS!

 

[Diogenes]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2092732964266250474

View: https://x.com/ginamilan_/status/2092732964266250474?s=20

 

[Tbird19482]

Nope.



I kicked your ass with FACTS!

NO just more BS.
Everybody on here knows you are one of the biggest liars and full of bullshit they don' even pay any attention to you
Have a good night you lying asshole.

 

[Diogenes]

NO just more BS.

So you say.

Everybody on here knows you are one of the biggest liars and full of bullshit they don' even pay any attention to you

Is that so? Why are you here again, then?

Have a good night you lying asshole.

I kicked your ass with FACTS!