Judge strikes down Texas ban on drag shows, tells people offended by them ‘just don’t go’

I have been to quite a few drag shows (in my misbegotten youth). And I never saw anything obscene. No stripping or super revealing attire.

Because you allegedly "never saw anything obscene" when you supposedly flocked "to quite a few drag shows", you think Texas Senate Bill 12 (2023), a law that restricts “sexually oriented performances” when minors (under 18) are present or when they occurred on public property in a way that children could reasonably be expected to see them is oppressive?

That's a direct question. Answer it. Affirmative or negative.
 
Because you allegedly "never saw anything obscene" when you supposedly flocked "to quite a few drag shows", you think Texas Senate Bill 12 (2023), a law that restricts “sexually oriented performances” when minors (under 18) are present or when they occurred on public property in a way that children could reasonably be expected to see them is oppressive?

That's a direct question. Answer it. Affirmative or negative.

"Flocked"? lol

In Alabama we have Blue Laws. No alcohol sales on Sundays.

The exception is for private clubs. The drag show bars were some of the first to call their cover-charge a membership fee, thereby sidestepping the Blue laws.

I never saw a drag venue that was open to anyone too young to drink.
 
"Flocked"? lol In Alabama we have Blue Laws. No alcohol sales on Sundays. The exception is for private clubs. The drag show bars were some of the first to call their cover-charge a membership fee, thereby sidestepping the Blue laws. I never saw a drag venue that was open to anyone too young to drink.

Irrelevant.

Because you allegedly "never saw anything obscene" when you supposedly went "to quite a few drag shows", you think Texas Senate Bill 12 (2023), a law that restricts “sexually oriented performances” when minors (under 18) are present or when they occurred on public property in a way that children could reasonably be expected to see them is oppressive?

That's a direct question. Answer it. Affirmative or negative.
 
Yes — they were age-based restrictions. Texas Senate Bill 12 (2023) did not ban “sexually oriented performances” outright. It restricted them when minors (under 18) were present or when they occurred on public property in a way that children could reasonably be expected to see them.


The law was widely described as a “drag ban” because lawmakers and Gov. Greg Abbott promoted it that way, but the statute itself never used the word “drag.” It used the broader term “sexually oriented performance.”


What the law actually restricted​


  • Commercial venues: A person who controls the premises of a commercial enterprise could not allow a sexually oriented performance if anyone under 18 was present. Penalty: civil fine of up to $10,000 per violation.
  • Performers: Engaging in such a performance in the presence of anyone under 18, or on public property at a time/place/manner that could reasonably be expected to be viewed by a child, was a Class A misdemeanor (up to 1 year in jail and/or a $4,000 fine). Compensation was irrelevant.
  • Local governments: Cities and counties were barred from authorizing these performances on public property or in the presence of minors. They could otherwise regulate them for public health, safety, or welfare.

How the law defined the restricted performances​


A “sexually oriented performance” was a visual performance that:


  • Featured a performer who was nude (entirely unclothed, or clothing leaving uncovered any portion of the breasts below the areola or any portion of the genitals or buttocks), or a performer who engaged in “sexual conduct,” and
  • Appealed to the “prurient interest in sex.”

“Sexual conduct” included:


  • Exhibition or representation (actual or simulated) of sexual acts
  • Exhibition of genitals in a lewd state
  • Exhibition of devices marketed primarily for sexual stimulation
  • Actual or simulated contact with buttocks, breasts, or genitals
  • Exhibition of sexual gesticulations using accessories or prosthetics that exaggerate male or female sexual characteristics

The last category was the provision most commonly cited in connection with certain drag performances that use padding or exaggerated features.


Why the judge struck it down​


U.S. District Judge David Hittner (for the second time) found the law unconstitutionally overbroad and vague under the First Amendment. He noted that its definitions could theoretically reach cheerleading, sports in tight clothing, karaoke, comic-con costumes, ballet, Dolly Parton-style performances (big hair, low-cut dresses), Elvis-style hip movements, or Miley Cyrus twerking if a prosecutor argued they appealed to a “prurient interest.”


The law had no parental-consent exception. Hittner’s August 2026 ruling permanently enjoined Attorney General Ken Paxton from enforcing it. The case had previously gone to the Fifth Circuit, which allowed the law to take effect temporarily before sending it back.


I assume there are already restrictions regarding nudity in public? So I have no problem with the drag show as long as there’s no nudity.
 
Yes — they were age-based restrictions. Texas Senate Bill 12 (2023) did not ban “sexually oriented performances” outright. It restricted them when minors (under 18) were present or when they occurred on public property in a way that children could reasonably be expected to see them.


The law was widely described as a “drag ban” because lawmakers and Gov. Greg Abbott promoted it that way, but the statute itself never used the word “drag.” It used the broader term “sexually oriented performance.”


What the law actually restricted​


  • Commercial venues: A person who controls the premises of a commercial enterprise could not allow a sexually oriented performance if anyone under 18 was present. Penalty: civil fine of up to $10,000 per violation.
  • Performers: Engaging in such a performance in the presence of anyone under 18, or on public property at a time/place/manner that could reasonably be expected to be viewed by a child, was a Class A misdemeanor (up to 1 year in jail and/or a $4,000 fine). Compensation was irrelevant.
  • Local governments: Cities and counties were barred from authorizing these performances on public property or in the presence of minors. They could otherwise regulate them for public health, safety, or welfare.

How the law defined the restricted performances​


A “sexually oriented performance” was a visual performance that:


  • Featured a performer who was nude (entirely unclothed, or clothing leaving uncovered any portion of the breasts below the areola or any portion of the genitals or buttocks), or a performer who engaged in “sexual conduct,” and
  • Appealed to the “prurient interest in sex.”

“Sexual conduct” included:


  • Exhibition or representation (actual or simulated) of sexual acts
  • Exhibition of genitals in a lewd state
  • Exhibition of devices marketed primarily for sexual stimulation
  • Actual or simulated contact with buttocks, breasts, or genitals
  • Exhibition of sexual gesticulations using accessories or prosthetics that exaggerate male or female sexual characteristics

The last category was the provision most commonly cited in connection with certain drag performances that use padding or exaggerated features.


Why the judge struck it down​


U.S. District Judge David Hittner (for the second time) found the law unconstitutionally overbroad and vague under the First Amendment. He noted that its definitions could theoretically reach cheerleading, sports in tight clothing, karaoke, comic-con costumes, ballet, Dolly Parton-style performances (big hair, low-cut dresses), Elvis-style hip movements, or Miley Cyrus twerking if a prosecutor argued they appealed to a “prurient interest.”


The law had no parental-consent exception. Hittner’s August 2026 ruling permanently enjoined Attorney General Ken Paxton from enforcing it. The case had previously gone to the Fifth Circuit, which allowed the law to take effect temporarily before sending it back.



Bingo.

No ban, only restricting lewd performances in front of children.

I still question why the leftists demand children attend drag shows?
 
You refused to answer my question.

I did answer your patently dishonest question. You can sexualize clowns all you like. You just can't take the kiddies to see the sexualized clowns, at least in Texas, once this moron judge is reversed.

I think that there should be no federal limit on who can enter bars.

A 6 year old with a double scotch reminds you of your own childhood?

I also think 21 is way to old.

I think we should be consistent. If 18 is the age for voting and joining the military, it should be the age for drinking and buying guns as well.

The government should not control who can enter bars or see movies.

So hard core porn is fine for the kiddies?

We see the devastation porn on the internet has caused already.
 
I did answer your patently dishonest question. You can sexualize clowns all you like. You just can't take the kiddies to see the sexualized clowns, at least in Texas, once this moron judge is reversed.



A 6 year old with a double scotch reminds you of your own childhood?



I think we should be consistent. If 18 is the age for voting and joining the military, it should be the age for drinking and buying guns as well.



So hard core porn is fine for the kiddies?

We see the devastation porn on the internet has caused already.
The parents are the ones who should decide what movies a kid can see, not the government.
 
An 18 year old is generally considered an adult around the country. For purposes of law.

This is true. But we let 16 year olds drive a vehicle, unaccompanied. Inexperienced drivers contribute to the over 35K deaths from vehicle accidents.

Also, 18 is considered an adult in some ways. He can be drafted. But he can't have a beer before he goes. If 18 year olds are adults, why can't they buy alcohol?
 
Ok, so drag shows are fine, as long as not children see it? What age is considered a "child"? Under 21? Under 18? Under 16? Is an 18 year old a child?

Why didn't you read the text of the law when I posted it?

Yes — they were age-based restrictions. Texas Senate Bill 12 (2023) did not ban “sexually oriented performances” outright. It restricted them when minors (under 18) were present or when they occurred on public property in a way that children could reasonably be expected to see them.


The law was widely described as a “drag ban” because lawmakers and Gov. Greg Abbott promoted it that way, but the statute itself never used the word “drag.” It used the broader term “sexually oriented performance.”


What the law actually restricted​


  • Commercial venues: A person who controls the premises of a commercial enterprise could not allow a sexually oriented performance if anyone under 18 was present. Penalty: civil fine of up to $10,000 per violation.
  • Performers: Engaging in such a performance in the presence of anyone under 18, or on public property at a time/place/manner that could reasonably be expected to be viewed by a child, was a Class A misdemeanor (up to 1 year in jail and/or a $4,000 fine). Compensation was irrelevant.
  • Local governments: Cities and counties were barred from authorizing these performances on public property or in the presence of minors. They could otherwise regulate them for public health, safety, or welfare.

How the law defined the restricted performances​


A “sexually oriented performance” was a visual performance that:


  • Featured a performer who was nude (entirely unclothed, or clothing leaving uncovered any portion of the breasts below the areola or any portion of the genitals or buttocks), or a performer who engaged in “sexual conduct,” and
  • Appealed to the “prurient interest in sex.”

“Sexual conduct” included:


  • Exhibition or representation (actual or simulated) of sexual acts
  • Exhibition of genitals in a lewd state
  • Exhibition of devices marketed primarily for sexual stimulation
  • Actual or simulated contact with buttocks, breasts, or genitals
  • Exhibition of sexual gesticulations using accessories or prosthetics that exaggerate male or female sexual characteristics

The last category was the provision most commonly cited in connection with certain drag performances that use padding or exaggerated features.


Why the judge struck it down​


U.S. District Judge David Hittner (for the second time) found the law unconstitutionally overbroad and vague under the First Amendment. He noted that its definitions could theoretically reach cheerleading, sports in tight clothing, karaoke, comic-con costumes, ballet, Dolly Parton-style performances (big hair, low-cut dresses), Elvis-style hip movements, or Miley Cyrus twerking if a prosecutor argued they appealed to a “prurient interest.”


The law had no parental-consent exception. Hittner’s August 2026 ruling permanently enjoined Attorney General Ken Paxton from enforcing it. The case had previously gone to the Fifth Circuit, which allowed the law to take effect temporarily before sending it back.


 
This is true. But we let 16 year olds drive a vehicle, unaccompanied. Inexperienced drivers contribute to the over 35K deaths from vehicle accidents.

Also, 18 is considered an adult in some ways. He can be drafted. But he can't have a beer before he goes. If 18 year olds are adults, why can't they buy alcohol?
I agree with you. Being 18 is just a random number in many ways. If you are considered and adult by the law you should have every right as an adult.
 
This is true. But we let 16 year olds drive a vehicle, unaccompanied. Inexperienced drivers contribute to the over 35K deaths from vehicle accidents. Also, 18 is considered an adult in some ways. He can be drafted. But he can't have a beer before he goes. If 18 year olds are adults, why can't they buy alcohol?

Conflation. Look it up.
 
I agree with you. Being 18 is just a random number in many ways. If you are considered and adult by the law you should have every right as an adult.

And many states agreed. Then, MAAD (women) happened, among other things.

Why did states who'd previously allowed adults to drink at 18 roll back their laws and raise the age to 21?




States that had dropped the drinking age to 18 (or 19/20) in the early 1970s raised it again because the experiment produced a measurable jump in alcohol-related traffic deaths among 18- to 20-year-olds, created dangerous “blood borders” between neighboring states, and then ran into a federal funding hammer.


After the 26th Amendment lowered the voting age to 18 in 1971, roughly 29–30 states followed the “old enough to fight and vote, old enough to drink” logic and cut their minimum legal drinking age. Studies done in the mid-to-late 1970s quickly showed the downside: states that lowered the age saw 10–20 percent (sometimes higher) increases in nighttime and alcohol-involved crashes among the newly legal young drivers.


The patchwork of ages also produced “blood borders.” Teenagers from a 21-year-old state would drive into a neighboring 18-year-old state, drink legally, and drive home intoxicated. High-profile fatal crashes along those corridors generated public outrage.


A few states began reversing course on their own in the late 1970s (Michigan, for example, went back to 21 in 1978). Mothers Against Drunk Driving, founded in 1980 after Candy Lightner’s 13-year-old daughter was killed by a drunk driver, turned the issue into a national campaign. Combined with data from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and a Presidential Commission on Drunk Driving, the political pressure reached Congress.


The National Minimum Drinking Age Act of 1984, signed by President Reagan, did not set a federal drinking age. It simply withheld 10 percent of a state’s federal highway funds if that state still allowed purchase or public possession under 21. The Supreme Court upheld the tactic in South Dakota v. Dole (1987). Every state complied by 1988.


NHTSA later estimated the uniform 21-year-old age saved hundreds of lives per year among 18- to 20-year-olds. Whether every last life saved is attributable solely to the federal law is still debated by some economists, but the combination of crash data, border-hopping deaths, organized advocacy, and the threat of lost highway money is why the states that had gone to 18 went back to 21.



 
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