Matt Dillon
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Liberal Arts just means you you know how to learn..in the end.
A Defense of a Liberal Arts Education
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I think questioning established norms is a good thing, I don’t think one needs much of an education to do that.
To know how to evaluate an established norm effectively, a good Westwood help tremendously.
My education is what led me to question established norms.
Taichiliberal
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Ahh, but you have to remember the sheer stupidity of many of the American electorate that put the likes of Reagan, the Bush crime family and the Orange Oaf in the White House.When you look at a culture, and you want to ask yourself: “Well, how did we go from Weimar Germany to Nazism?” Obviously, education is going to be a part of that, but it’s not in any way going to be the whole of it.
I don’t buy that Nazism is proof that higher learning doesn’t work. The point of fact is that the Nazis were very much against higher education in many ways and wanted to constrain and control it.
Opinion | A Defense of a Liberal Arts Education in the Age of A.I.
Making the case for a “useless” education.www.nytimes.com
They were told that "elitist, intellectual liberals" would destroy the American way (as seen on old b/w television shows like "Father Knows Best", "Leave it to Beaver", "I Love Lucy", etc.) if Republicans weren't voted into office.
Yet who did they vote in? Reagan's working-middle class roots were nullified by his Hollywood status (that kept him out of WWII). The Bush Crime family were wealthy New Englanders via Connecticut, and Dump was born into wealth in New York.
These "elites" convinced their supporters that they would preserve the American dream, keep the n*****s down and put the women folk back in the kitchen where they belong. Damned fools keep slitting their own throats every time they vote.
So it's no wonder that the fools believe whatever they are told. Now, ask them if the GOP is going to increase availability in trade schools and do better funding for public schools.
And the band played on.
What would you ask?
Better than nothing I guess. Sounds like you weren’t hiring for a technical position.
In fact it sounds like you weren’t hiring for a position that even required a college degree.
WTF. What difference does that make?
Matt Dillon
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No, it means you know how to learn things and improvise, adapt, and overcome.
Owait, that might be 2 things overlapping.
Like Liberal education and Army Rangers.
Into the Night
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Into the Night
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Uh...no.
The seven liberal arts are:
Grammar (a comprehensive study of language, usually includes learning Latin and French roots of English words as well)
Logic (to be able to clearly reason and present arguments)
Rhetoric (the art of beautiful speaking and writing)
Arithmetic (to be able to perform calculation)
Geometry (to be able to extend mathematics into spatial relationships)
Music (to learn rhythm and harmony and self expression)
Astronomy (to learn ones place in the Universe)
No matter the degree or school you attend, most learning occurs outside the classroom.
The liberal arts is a comprehensive array of subjects. Like any other degree, most learning occurs outside the classroom.
Into the Night
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There is a confusion here.
The Seven Liberal Arts prepare you for a good cross section of skills. Those who learn these skills can become very good leaders.
However, the junk they give out degrees for as 'liberal arts', is trash. With such a degree, you'd be lucky to collect city garbate.
T. A. Gardner
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I would disagree with some of that.
Grammar and composition. Being able to read, write, and compose written material well.
Logic
Rhetoric and speaking
Algebra to include geometry. Being able to formulate mathematical equations and work with real world objects.
Statistics. Having an understanding of how to generalize and use data.
Art. Being able to create original works in one or more mediums.
Science and engineering. Having an understanding of how things work. This doesn't have to be a deep understanding but rather a general grasp of these fields.
cawacko
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It makes a difference in getting your foot in the door out of school. If people are going through resumes the kid from Cal and Stanford has a higher chance of getting an interview than the kid from Cal State East Bay.
Does that mean the kid from Cal State East Bay can’t ultimately do the job better? No. And if two 35 year olds are interviewing where they went to school has far less importance.
But for young kids, it can definitely matter.
WinterBorn
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I would ask them about their experience and then about their degree. Often I asked what they learned from their academic studies besides the topics.
If a position required technical skills, then that is what we looked for. But I also interviewed people for mgmt positions and leadership positions. A degree was required for marketing and other levels at the company.
A liberal education is a good first step to become an Army Rangers officer.Like Liberal education and Army Rangers.
There is a saying, your college degree will only get you your first job. That does not mean that your education is only important for the first job, but that you are expected to have proven its importance with your first job by the time you have your second job.
If two 22 year olds apply for a job, one with a Harvard liberal arts degree, and one who says he has read a lot in a library somewhere, of course I will pick the Harvard graduate. By the time they are 35, I would expect the Harvard graduate to have over a decade of job success, and if not maybe he is not a good hire.
When it comes to general mathematical knowledge, I tend to divide applicants into two groups, those that know calculus, and those that don't. Calculus is the shibboleth of math. It is not always important, but knowledge of it means that the applicant will almost always know the important stuff.
My huge complaint about liberal arts degrees is they are often, but not always, short on the math.
When you interviewed for your Uber Eats delivery job, Wrong Way Wally, were you asked if you had mastered Calculus?
Trigonometric Identities and Differential Equations were as demanding as Calc. I and II, WWW...at least at Vandy.
ORGO (Organic Chemistry) was no walk in the park, either, WWW.
My two non-electives were Lit. and World History, both of which I enjoyed enormously.
For your edification...Washington Irving is widely regarded as America's first great and internationally best-selling author, often called the "first American man of letters" or the father of American Literature.
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Organic chemistry would not generally be considered mathematics. It would usually be considered science, or possibly engineering. If you had read what I said, "when it comes to general mathematical knowledge", you would realize I was talking about mathematics.
But if someone had "organic chemistry" on their transcript, but did not know calculus, I would dismiss the so called "organic chemistry" course as a joke. See how that works?
Do you know what a shibboleth is?
I didn't say that ORGO was a mathematical course, WWW.
AI Overview shibboleth/ˈSHibələTH/A shibboleth is any word, phrase, custom, or manner of speaking that identifies someone as a member of a particular group, or distinguishes insiders from outsiders. You could have researched that yourself, WWW.
I know how you work, WWW, in a car delivering food.
See how that works?
Mr. Irving's words flow like warm butter, WWW. You should read more, comic books don't count.