Grok, what were the Founding Fathers' opinions on Muslims?

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They supported broad religious tolerance that theoretically included Muslims as future citizens or residents, treating them as the outer boundary of pluralism to protect liberty for everyone (including Jews, Catholics, and nonbelievers). That is distinct from esteem for the faith itself.


Primary evidence and scholarly accounts (including Denise Spellberg’s detailed study of Jefferson’s engagement with the topic) show a consistent pattern:


  • Tolerance and inclusion of Muslims as people: Jefferson’s Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom (1786) was deliberately framed to protect “the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and Infidel of every denomination.” He and allies like Richard Henry Lee explicitly rejected efforts to limit it to Christians. George Washington wrote that he would welcome “Mahometans” (or workers from Asia/Africa/Europe of any faith, including atheists) at Mount Vernon if they were good workmen, and more broadly that America should receive the oppressed of all nations and religions. Benjamin Franklin supported a non-sectarian meeting house in Philadelphia open even to a missionary from the Mufti of Constantinople preaching “Mahometanism.” John Adams and others owned or referenced Qurans as part of broad reading. The 1796–1797 Treaty of Tripoli (ratified under Adams) stated that the U.S. government “is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion” and has “no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen.”
 
The Trumpys think they have enough power to change all the Founding Fathers' words and the Constitution. They do not care a bit about people who do not accept Project 2025. It is the law for another year or so. The Constitution is quaint and should be ignored, according to how the Trumpys act. Perhaps the wealthy in the background have won. I hope Trump came along too soon and they took a shot that will fail.
 
They supported broad religious tolerance that theoretically included Muslims as future citizens or residents, treating them as the outer boundary of pluralism to protect liberty for everyone (including Jews, Catholics, and nonbelievers). That is distinct from esteem for the faith itself.


Primary evidence and scholarly accounts (including Denise Spellberg’s detailed study of Jefferson’s engagement with the topic) show a consistent pattern:


  • Tolerance and inclusion of Muslims as people: Jefferson’s Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom (1786) was deliberately framed to protect “the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and Infidel of every denomination.” He and allies like Richard Henry Lee explicitly rejected efforts to limit it to Christians. George Washington wrote that he would welcome “Mahometans” (or workers from Asia/Africa/Europe of any faith, including atheists) at Mount Vernon if they were good workmen, and more broadly that America should receive the oppressed of all nations and religions. Benjamin Franklin supported a non-sectarian meeting house in Philadelphia open even to a missionary from the Mufti of Constantinople preaching “Mahometanism.” John Adams and others owned or referenced Qurans as part of broad reading. The 1796–1797 Treaty of Tripoli (ratified under Adams) stated that the U.S. government “is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion” and has “no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen.”
Was that before 9/11 ?
 
They supported broad religious tolerance that theoretically included Muslims as future citizens or residents, treating them as the outer boundary of pluralism to protect liberty for everyone (including Jews, Catholics, and nonbelievers). That is distinct from esteem for the faith itself.


Primary evidence and scholarly accounts (including Denise Spellberg’s detailed study of Jefferson’s engagement with the topic) show a consistent pattern:


  • Tolerance and inclusion of Muslims as people: Jefferson’s Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom (1786) was deliberately framed to protect “the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and Infidel of every denomination.” He and allies like Richard Henry Lee explicitly rejected efforts to limit it to Christians. George Washington wrote that he would welcome “Mahometans” (or workers from Asia/Africa/Europe of any faith, including atheists) at Mount Vernon if they were good workmen, and more broadly that America should receive the oppressed of all nations and religions. Benjamin Franklin supported a non-sectarian meeting house in Philadelphia open even to a missionary from the Mufti of Constantinople preaching “Mahometanism.” John Adams and others owned or referenced Qurans as part of broad reading. The 1796–1797 Treaty of Tripoli (ratified under Adams) stated that the U.S. government “is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion” and has “no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen.”
Then there was this

We took the liberty to make some inquiries concerning the grounds of their [Barbary’s] pretentions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury, and observed that we considered all mankind as our friends who had done us no wrong, nor had given us any provocation. The ambassador answered us that it was founded on the laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Musselman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise [dated March 28, 1786].

 
Then there was this

We took the liberty to make some inquiries concerning the grounds of their [Barbary’s] pretentions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury, and observed that we considered all mankind as our friends who had done us no wrong, nor had given us any provocation. The ambassador answered us that it was founded on the laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Musselman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise [dated March 28, 1786].

thank you.
 
Then there was this

We took the liberty to make some inquiries concerning the grounds of their [Barbary’s] pretentions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury, and observed that we considered all mankind as our friends who had done us no wrong, nor had given us any provocation. The ambassador answered us that it was founded on the laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Musselman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise [dated March 28, 1786].

they're going to try to force islam on us by saying it "complies with the noahide laws".

be ready.
 
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