A Defense of a Liberal Arts Education

[Cypress]

Get over yourself!

So you can't even confess that you falsely claimed I wrote all California GOP governors were moderate.

That's bad faith posting, because you want to post false allegations with impunity on the one hand, but then have me fetch you links and do research for you on the other.

That's not the way this works, chap.

 

[murph63]

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That's absolute peanuts compared to the number of Nobel prize winners who have affiliated with Berkeley, Stanford, CalTech, MIT, Columbia, University of Chicago and many of the other California and northeastern universities.

Please stop, Cy. You are out of your depth. The Nobel count doesn't mean jack shit because the Nobel is rare. Talk about the quality of the research coming out of those universities.

Rice, Duke, UT Austin are respectable schools. But this nation's epicenter for elite higher education is largely in the north-northeast and California.

Jesus fuckin' Christ you are an elitist prick. You don't know what you are talking about. Some of the Southern Universities are powerhouses. Just because you arbitrarily decided that the Nobel count was somehow the only rational indicator.

If only you had actually been able to hack grad school and learn a bit more about the universities in this nation.

All you have is your cartoon view.

 

[Cypress]

Doesn't seem to be any Texas or southern institutions near the top of the list...

Top Institutions with the Most Nobel Prizes

• • Harvard University (USA): ~150–161 affiliated laureates, excelling particularly in medicine and economic sciences.
  • University of Cambridge (UK): ~126 laureates, with strong historical dominance in chemistry and physics.
  • University of California, Berkeley (USA): Over 110 affiliated laureates across various scientific and economic disciplines.
  • University of Chicago (USA): ~100–101 laureates and holds a leading record specifically for Nobel Prizes in Economics.
  • Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) (USA): ~97–101 laureates, heavily recognized for physics and computer sciences.
  • Columbia University (USA): ~100 laureates. Consistently ranks among the top global institutions for total affiliated winners.

Note: Exact counts vary depending on whether institutions define affiliation by active faculty, alumni, or past researchers at the time of the award.

 

[Cypress]

The Nobel count doesn't mean jack shit!

Harvard, Berkeley, MIT, Columbia, University of Chicago seem to think they are significant because they advertise and promote themselves based on their impressive legacy of Nobel laureates.

 

[Cypress]

Why is what universities have Nobel Prizes important?

People pay money for what they think is important and valuable. Universities will pay big bucks to recruit and put a Nobel Prize laureate on their faculty.

 

[murph63]

Harvard, Berkeley, MIT, Columbia, University of Chicago seem to think they are significant because they advertise and promote themselves based on their impressive legacy of Nobel laureates.

LOL.

You understand academia like you understand all things: only through WIkipedia.

Learn more about the actual research going on at these schools. Or not, it's highly unlikely you would understand any of it anyway.

You are a simp

 

[murph63]

Doesn't seem to be any Texas or southern institutions near the top of the list...

Top Institutions with the Most Nobel Prizes

• • Harvard University (USA): ~150–161 affiliated laureates, excelling particularly in medicine and economic sciences.
  • University of Cambridge (UK): ~126 laureates, with strong historical dominance in chemistry and physics.
  • University of California, Berkeley (USA): Over 110 affiliated laureates across various scientific and economic disciplines.
  • University of Chicago (USA): ~100–101 laureates and holds a leading record specifically for Nobel Prizes in Economics.
  • Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) (USA): ~97–101 laureates, heavily recognized for physics and computer sciences.
  • Columbia University (USA): ~100 laureates. Consistently ranks among the top global institutions for total affiliated winners.

Note: Exact counts vary depending on whether institutions define affiliation by active faculty, alumni, or past researchers at the time of the award.

There's not a serious scientist who thinks it's a race. Only simps like you who couldn't hack academe.

 

[Cypress]

LOL!

Explain to the board why Harvard, Berkeley, MIT, Columbia, University of Chicago would highlight and promote their impressive legacy of Nobel Prize laureates if it is all just so very unimportant and insignificant.

 

[Cypress]

Only simps like you who couldn't hack academe!

Interesting. So you do not think having had 100 to 150 Nobel laureates spread across physics, chemistry, medicine, economics is an indicator of the quality and prestige of the institution.

That seems like a very bizarre conclusion.

 

[Into the Night]

Oppenheimer, and the rest of the nuclear physics department, was/is in the College of Letters and Science, which you say is a liberal arts college.

The fact is that the UC Berkeley College of Letters and Science does a huge amount of research, and has an extensive graduate programs, which makes it not a liberal arts college.

Science isn't a research grant.
Science isn't a university or college.
Science isn't a graduate program.
A university isn't college, Wally.

 

[Into the Night]

If you look at all the universities in California, Texas, Florida, here is how they rank in total number of Nobel prize winners.

California, 363 Nobel prize winners​

Texas, 21 Nobel prize winners​

Florida, 13 Nobel prize winners​

Science is not a prize, Cyborg.

 

[Into the Night]

Since 2020, 5 Nobel Prize winners have been affiliated with UC Berkeley, and ABSOLUTELY ZERO HAVE COME FROM TEXAS AND FLORIDA!!! More Nobel Prize winners come from UC Berkley than all the Red States combined.

Science is not a prize, Wally.

I swear these alt right's favorite science is the Old Testament.

Science is not a book either.

So you admit, the one school at UC Berkeley that gives liberal arts degrees is not a liberal arts college... But now argue one of the schools that does not give liberal arts degrees is a liberal arts college? Is it the engineering college?

A university is not a college, Wally.

Did your understanding of science end with the Old or the New Testement?

Science is not a book, Wally.

The person who thinks he is smarter than all the experts in the world, is pointing fingers at others?

Yes, Wally. You are pointing your fingers at others.
'Expert' fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

Yes, four doing research full time at Berkeley, and one doing research part time at Berkeley. Berkeley is a research powerhouse.

Science isn't a research program or government funding, Wally.

 

[Into the Night]

The California University System was once the pride of the nation.

Once.

Once.

Now it is a total wasteland.
'Science' students there now routinely deny theories of science.

 

[Into the Night]

Explain to the board why Harvard, Berkeley, MIT, Columbia, University of Chicago would highlight and promote their impressive legacy of Nobel Prize laureates if it is all just so very unimportant and insignificant.

Science is not a prize, Cyborg.

 

[Into the Night]

Interesting. So you do not think having had 100 to 150 Nobel laureates spread across physics, chemistry, medicine, economics is an indicator of the quality and prestige of the institution.

That seems like a very bizarre conclusion.

Science is not a prize, Cyborg.
Professors and students at Berkeley routinely deny and discard theories of science.

 

[Into the Night]

Clarke worked at Berkeley full time for his entire career. Yaghi worked at Berkeley full time at Berkeley for most of his career. Card worked at Berkeley full time for almost all of his career. Doudna immediately went back to Berkeley to work full time, because it was the only place that would allow her to work full time on the important stuff.

So that is four out of five. All worked full time at Berkeley for years before getting a Nobel Prize. Four is greater than two.

Genzel did move back to Germany, and work for Max Planck(the powerhouse research organization for Germany), but also needed to work part time for Berkeley.

Now let's look at the Nobel Prizes since 2020 of people associated with Texas and Florida... And we have now listed them all and their connection to Texas and Florida.

Four full time workers at Berkeley and one part time worker at Berkeley... Meanwhile the entire states of Texas and Florida have ZERO!!!

Science is not a prize, Wally.

 

[Into the Night]

USC is not a University of California school.
The 2025 Nobel Prize winners were from UCLA, Berkeley, UC San Diego, UC Santa Barbara as best I recall.

And California is a global leader in scientific research, medical research, and Nobel Prize laureates. That's a claim Texas, Florida, and the deep South cannot make.

Science is not a prize, Cyborg.
Science is not a research program or government funding.

 

[Into the Night]

Yes, New York, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Connecticut most definitely give California a run for their money in Nobel Prize laureates because the northeastern U.S. is epicenter to many of the most prestigious universities on the planet: Harvard, Princeton, Yale, MIT, Columbia, Cornell, NYU, etc.

Science isn't a prize, Cyborg.

 

[Into the Night]

I didn't say anything about whether a university had to be private or public. When I previously listed the total number of Nobel Prizes won in California, that number included Stanford, USC, and CalTech which are private.

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Science is not a prize, Cyborg.