Voter ID: Arguments against it

WinterBorn said:
Voter ID is an excellent idea.
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Don't leftists often disagree?

WinterBorn said:
However, the ID must be free to citizens. Otherwise, they have to pay to vote.
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Is that so?

Standard state-issued identification cards (non-driver IDs from DMVs or equivalent agencies) are not free to all citizens in every state. Fees typically range from $10–$40 (sometimes higher, e.g., $60–$80 for multi-year cards in states like Washington, a Democrat-dominated state), though many states waive fees for specific groups.

  • Nebraska issues state IDs at no cost to U.S. citizens.
  • North Dakota waives the fee for first-time applicants age 18 and older (replacements and cards for those under 18 cost $8).
  • North Carolina issues IDs at no cost to those age 17 and older (minors 16 and under pay $16.75 unless they qualify for an exemption).
  • South Carolina issues one ID card free per cycle to those 17 and older ($15 for ages 5–16; $10 for replacements).

Most other states charge a standard fee but commonly waive it for:


  • Voters who lack another acceptable photo ID (in states with photo ID voting requirements; these are often issued by elections offices rather than the DMV).
  • People experiencing homelessness (usually with a shelter letter).
  • Seniors (often 62 or 65+).
  • Low-income residents, veterans, people with disabilities, or youth aging out of foster care (the last is a federal requirement).

Can't those who cannot afford a small fee vote by mail?

Why, yes.

Mail or absentee voting is available in every state.

Cost of a state ID is therefore a barrier only in a limited set of circumstances, and even then states that impose photo-ID rules generally provide a free card or an alternative path.
 
Diogenes said:
Don't leftists often disagree?



Is that so?

Standard state-issued identification cards (non-driver IDs from DMVs or equivalent agencies) are not free to all citizens in every state. Fees typically range from $10–$40 (sometimes higher, e.g., $60–$80 for multi-year cards in states like Washington, a Democrat-dominated state), though many states waive fees for specific groups.

  • Nebraska issues state IDs at no cost to U.S. citizens.
  • North Dakota waives the fee for first-time applicants age 18 and older (replacements and cards for those under 18 cost $8).
  • North Carolina issues IDs at no cost to those age 17 and older (minors 16 and under pay $16.75 unless they qualify for an exemption).
  • South Carolina issues one ID card free per cycle to those 17 and older ($15 for ages 5–16; $10 for replacements).

Most other states charge a standard fee but commonly waive it for:


  • Voters who lack another acceptable photo ID (in states with photo ID voting requirements; these are often issued by elections offices rather than the DMV).
  • People experiencing homelessness (usually with a shelter letter).
  • Seniors (often 62 or 65+).
  • Low-income residents, veterans, people with disabilities, or youth aging out of foster care (the last is a federal requirement).

Can't those who cannot afford a small fee vote by mail?

Why, yes.

Mail or absentee voting is available in every state.

Cost of a state ID is therefore a barrier only in a limited set of circumstances, and even then states that impose photo-ID rules generally provide a free card or an alternative path.
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See? Those states agree with me.
 
WinterBorn said:
See? Those states agree with me.
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How much of a burden is it to have to pay a nominal fee for an ID used for general proof of who you are along with voting? That is, how many states issue a photo ID specifically for the purpose of voting and for no other use?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
How much of a burden is it to have to pay a nominal fee for an ID used for general proof of who you are along with voting? That is, how many states issue a photo ID specifically for the purpose of voting and for no other use?
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For most people, no burden at all.

But for some, it is a burden.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Who are some? How many make up "some?" 1%? 10%? What's the percentage we're talking here?
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Good point, and I have no idea.

I guess I have seen so much money wasted (stolen?) by the gov't, I think spending a few tax dollars on making sure every citizens can cast a vote, is money well spent.
 
WinterBorn said:
Good point, and I have no idea.

I guess I have seen so much money wasted (stolen?) by the gov't, I think spending a few tax dollars on making sure every citizens can cast a vote, is money well spent.
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Either way, whether you pay say $20 for an ID that's good for say, 10 years ($2 a year, hardly a burden), or the taxes pay for it, this is NOT an obstacle to getting an ID. If it still inconvenienced say 1% or less of the population, that too is hardly a reason to reject ID as a requirement to vote.
 
WinterBorn said:
Voter ID is an excellent idea. However, the ID must be free to citizens. Otherwise, they have to pay to vote.
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Thats the stupidest thing I read in a long time. You cant get through every day life without an ID. You people create these narratives that are complete lies. You pay for an ID not to vote but facts are poison to you people.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Either way, whether you pay say $20 for an ID that's good for say, 10 years ($2 a year, hardly a burden), or the taxes pay for it, this is NOT an obstacle to getting an ID. If it still inconvenienced say 1% or less of the population, that too is hardly a reason to reject ID as a requirement to vote.
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Its just a leftist talking point
 
WinterBorn said:
Good point, and I have no idea.

I guess I have seen so much money wasted (stolen?) by the gov't, I think spending a few tax dollars on making sure every citizens can cast a vote, is money well spent.
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Why do we have to make sure every citizen can cast a vote? If taxpayers have to foot the bill them voting should be mandatory.
 
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