Moral relativism

[Into the Night]

For the govt to PROTECT those rights not grant them. Read

While the Constitution does direct the government to protect those rights, it does not protect them outright, but only indirectly.

The purpose of any constitution (including the Constitution of the United States) is to declare and describe a government, give it limited powers (it has no other except that granted by that constitution), how it is organized, and what kind of laws it may or may not pass. That constitution ONLY applies to that government so created, or to the States themselves, which created it.

Only the owners of that constitution have the authority to create it, modify it, or delete it (and thus dissolve that government).
The owners of the Constitution of the United States are the States of the Union.
Each State also has a constitution, owned by the people of that State.
Government by law (a constitution) is called a republic.

The former States of California and New York have left the Union, abandoning their constitutions and forming their own forms of government.

The current form of government in the SDTC is Dictatorship (The Socialist Dictatorship of the Territory of California).
The current form of government in the SOTNY is Oligarhy (The Socialist Oligarchy of the Territory of New York).

A constitution is best thought of as a contract between the owners and the government so created by that constitution.
The owners may delete that constitution and thus dissolve the government it created.
The government may go rogue and ignore the constitution that created it. In this case, the contract is nullified, and the owners are free to take action against such a rogue government.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Non binary!

Bellflower and Los Altos - wear a pink dress and a beard. Also be sure to tell people Dr. Dre is "non-binary" like you...

 

[Yakuda]

While the Constitution does direct the government to protect those rights, it does not protect them outright, but only indirectly.

The purpose of any constitution (including the Constitution of the United States) is to declare and describe a government, give it limited powers (it has no other except that granted by that constitution), how it is organized, and what kind of laws it may or may not pass. That constitution ONLY applies to that government so created, or to the States themselves, which created it.

Only the owners of that constitution have the authority to create it, modify it, or delete it (and thus dissolve that government).
The owners of the Constitution of the United States are the States of the Union.
Each State also has a constitution, owned by the people of that State.
Government by law (a constitution) is called a republic.

The former States of California and New York have left the Union, abandoning their constitutions and forming their own forms of government.

The current form of government in the SDTC is Dictatorship (The Socialist Dictatorship of the Territory of California).
The current form of government in the SOTNY is Oligarhy (The Socialist Oligarchy of the Territory of New York).

A constitution is best thought of as a contract between the owners and the government so created by that constitution.
The owners may delete that constitution and thus dissolve the government it created.
The government may go rogue and ignore the constitution that created it. In this case, the contract is nullified, and the owners are free to take action against such a rogue government.

The D of I is the why, the constitution is the how

 

[ZenMode]

...according to your morals.

My morals don't, and can't, change what happens in someone's brain.

I have all day to play your game.

 

[Hume]

And?

And you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[Melchizedek=Tecumseh]

Bellflower and Los Altos - wear a pink dress and a beard. Also be sure to tell people Dr. Dre is "non-binary" like you...

What's wrong with being non binary?

 

[Into the Night]

Then by that reasoning anything is moral. Thats a dangerous position.

Dangerous? How?
I have no power to change anyone else's morals.

If a set of morals attempts to justify breaking a law, then such should pay the penalty associated with that law.
There are police and other officers to enforce that law.

There are no absolute morals, just as there is no absolute 'reality'.
Your morals are unique to you as a fingerprint.
Your reality is as unique to you as a fingerprint also.

Slavery is currently illegal in the United States. It is part of my morals and yours to condemn the practice of slavery, even when it was legal.
But slave owners had a different set of morals.
Each slave had his own morals, and would've like condemned the practice of slavery.

You DID correctly point out that Hugo's god is government, and so he is stuck trying to define his morals around that.

If one has 'shifting morals' to satisfy each convenient context, there are no morals there. Morals don't just shift with the wind. That person is said to be amoral (a-, meaning not or empty, and 'moral').

 

[Into the Night]

And you have no idea what you are talking about.

I see you completely lost context again, Hugo. Go back and read it.

 

[Hume]

I see you completely lost context again, Hugo. Go back and read it.

I see you completely lost context again, Hugo. Go back and read it.

 

[Into the Night]

The Bill of Rights ARE part of the "Original Constitution" and their inclusion was a contingent factor for ratification by the states.

The sticking points that delayed ratification were the 9th and 10th, not the 1st or 2nd - which are the ones democrats are most desperate to nullify. The order of the first ten Amendments is the order of difficulty gaining consensus among the deligates.

No.

The Constitution of the United States was signed and ratified into power in 1787.
The Bill of Rights are AMENDMENTS, ratified into power in 1791.

NEITHER are any rights.
Rights are inherent. They do not come from a piece of paper.

For example:
The 2nd amendment does not provide any right. It DOES discuss to related inherent rights of self defense: The right of a government (in this case the State governments) to defend themselves, and the right of the individual to defend themselves.

The 2nd amendment does not give this right. It is inherent. It is directing government (both State and federal) to not mess with these rights.
The federal government also has the inherent right to defend itself. It is allowed to create armies and navies.

 

[Hume]

No.

The Constitution of the United States was signed and ratified into power in 1787.
The Bill of Rights are AMENDMENTS, ratified into power in 1791.

NEITHER are any rights.
Rights are inherent. They do not come from a piece of paper.

For example:
The 2nd amendment does not provide any right. It DOES discuss to related inherent rights of self defense: The right of a government (in this case the State governments) to defend themselves, and the right of the individual to defend themselves.

The 2nd amendment does not give this right. It is inherent. It is directing government (both State and federal) to not mess with these rights.
The federal government also has the inherent right to defend itself. It is allowed to create armies and navies.

ution of the United States was signed and ratified into power in 1787.
The Bill of Rights are AMENDMENTS, ratified into power in 1791.

NEITHER are any rights.
Rights are inherent. They do not come from a piece of paper.

For example:
The 2nd amendment does not provide any right. It DOES discuss to related inherent rights of self defense: The right of a government (in this case the State governments) to defend themselves, and the right of the individual to defend themselves.

The 2nd amendment does not give this right. It is inherent. I

 

[Hume]

I see you completely lost context again, Hugo. Go back and read it.

I see you completely lost context again, Hugo. Go back and read it.

 

[Into the Night]

What's wrong with being non binary?

Senseless question. Try again.

 

[Hume]

Senseless question. Try again.

Senseless question. Try again.

 

[Into the Night]

I read the Constitution.

Lie. Synthesis.
You have already demonstrated your unfamiliarity of the Constitution of the United States, Hugo.

 

[Into the Night]

Read the D of I it's a founding document and outlines why a constitution is needed.

No, it doesn't. It doesn't even mention a constitution at all, nor even a republican form of government.
At the time, the colonies were independent states. There was no United States or States of America.

The first uniting document placed into power among the colonies was the Confederation of America.
This was later replaced by dissolving the Confederation and implementing the Constitution of the United States in 1787.
The first ten amendments were ratified into power as a unit in 1791 and called the Bill of Rights.

 

[Into the Night]

And you can't answer my question, where does he say rights come from? I'm trying to be respectful but you make it very difficult.

He can't acknowledge it because he belongs to the Church of State. His god is government.
This god is not a creator, so he cannot answer your question.

 

[Hume]

Lie. Synthesis.
You have already demonstrated your unfamiliarity of the Constitution of the United States, Hugo.

Lie. Synthesis.
You have already demonstrated your unfamiliarity of the Constitution of the United States, Hugo.

 

[Hume]

He can't acknowledge it because he belongs to the Church of State. His god is government.
This god is not a creator, so he cannot answer your question.

edge it because he belongs to the Church of State. His god is government.
This god is not a creator, so he cannot answer your q

 

[Into the Night]

The Constitution wasn't written to grant rights. It was written to restrict government's ability to infringe on natural rights.

Part of what it does, yes.
The purpose of any constitution is to declare, create, and organize a government; and endow it with certain powers.