Nikole Hannah-Jones and Schools

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Nikole Hannah-Jones and the story she wrote about her daughter is still being discussed. I know this is JPP and we're not changing the world here, but I just find it fascinating.

With poor or failing schools, we often hear about the need for more resources. PS 307 where he daughter went got over $50k/student. That's well above the NYC average. And it had small classes sizes. So it had what we often say schools need, yet it still failed these kids.

Which raises the question, if lack of resources wasn't the issue here then what was?

This column was written by Joel Klein who worked in the Clinton Administration and was the head of NYC schools for a decade. It's his opinion and there are multiple factors at play. Given the importance of education what went wrong is a question worth asking.



Nikole Hannah-Jones vs. Randi Weingarten​

‘We must learn what went wrong,’ says the head of the teachers union. She needs to look in the mirror.​


Nikole Hannah-Jones’s much-discussed New York Times article about the New York City public schools’ decadelong failures to educate her daughter drew a telling response from the head of the national union that represents the city’s teachers. “I was so saddened,” Randi Weingarten, president of the American Federation of Teachers, commented on the Bluesky social-media site. “Public schools must be places parents want to send their kids; where educators want to teach & where kids thrive. That is our North Star. We must learn what went wrong & address it so all students have what they deserve.”

But Ms. Hannah-Jones’s article makes clear “what went wrong.” Her daughter, Najya, and her classmates “were languishing in classrooms with educators who did not take their academic potential seriously and largely refused to teach.” And the failure to educate “poor Black children” isn’t limited to Najya’s school or even to the Hannah-Joneses’ city: “There was nothing exceptional about what I witnessed at P.S. 307. I had observed and reported on similar educational malfeasance in Detroit, in Durham, in St. Louis, in Tuscaloosa, in Birmingham.” Ms. Hannah-Jones writes.

If Ms. Weingarten wants to “learn what went wrong,” she should start by looking in the mirror. Her union is the primary reason New York’s public schools fail to educate so many children, especially poor black children.

Ms. Hannah-Jones chronicles a wide range of unprofessional practices at Najya’s school. Teachers refused to check homework or administer mandatory assessments. They were contemptuous of their students, thinking they had no ability to learn. They made up grades. They stopped calling on Najya in class, making her “so frustrated that, waving her hand furiously, she began to blurt out the answers.” They repeatedly ignored Ms. Hannah-Jones’s efforts to find out how her daughter was doing. Some were absent for long periods. Kids were left without substitute teachers and allowed to run wild and assault one another.

A debacle of this scope can’t be explained away by a lack of money or overwhelmed teachers—the usual excuses rolled out to defend failing schools by shifting blame to “the system.” Najya’s school is extremely well-resourced, spending more than $50,000 per pupil each year, and it has a low student-teacher ratio. More important, the transgressions Ms. Hannah-Jones documents had nothing to do with resources. They were intentionally harmful acts by uncaring teachers, who disrespected their students and refused to do the most basic and undemanding parts of their jobs. They didn’t even try.

This kind of persistent, comprehensive and unchecked behavior can persist only in the absence of accountability. These teachers knew there would be no consequences because their jobs are protected by policies and practices artfully designed by their union.

Teachers unions are built around two nonnegotiable principles: that teachers must be tenured for life and that their compensation can’t be based on performance. Taken together, they inflict enormous harm on schools like Najya’s. When teachers are paid the same regardless of ability, the good ones almost always go to high-performing schools serving motivated students. Those who “cannot get hired at a ‘better’ school,” as Ms. Hannah-Jones puts it, end up in schools like Najya’s. These schools, having started with less talented and conscientious teachers, are then stuck with them despite the intolerable practices Ms. Hannah-Jones repeatedly observed in Najya’s school.

Although fully aware of these harms, the unions remain implacable. Ms. Weingarten’s predecessor Albert Shanker, the most revered and powerful teachers-union leader in history, eventually came to appreciate the problem but couldn’t get his own union to change course. In a 1993 speech before the Pew Forum, he said: “The key is that unless there is accountability, we will never get the right system. As long as there are no consequences if kids or adults don’t perform, as long as the discussion is not about education and student outcomes, then we’re playing a game as to who has the power.”

No union leader since Shanker’s death in 1997 has adopted his position. They have kept playing the power game, a game they can’t lose and the kids can’t win.

Despite her devastating critique, Ms. Hannah-Jones remains focused on the problem and not the solution. She ignores the question of teacher accountability and fails to mention charter schools, an option showing real promise for the children she champions. For her, there are only two kinds of schools in New York—rich white ones and poor black ones—a description that inexplicably omits the almost 300 nonunionized charter schools in the city that educate 150,000 predominantly black and Latino children from low-income families.

Almost every one of these charter schools significantly outperforms Najya’s school. Some, like the 59 Success Charter Schools, match and even do better than the city’s highest-performing public schools. That’s because these charter schools hold themselves and their teachers accountable for the performance of their students. Despite these good results—or rather because of them—the teachers unions, supported by lawmakers fearful of their power, have put a limit on the number of charter schools allowed in the city.

Ms. Hannah-Jones has performed a public service by sharing the heartbreaking story of her daughter’s education and exhorting the rest of us to confront one of our nation’s greatest failings—the abysmal education being provided to the large majority of poor black children. But she leaves it to readers to identify the root cause: the teachers unions.

The unions have no answer to her exposé. On the one hand, they can’t defend the behaviors she documents without showing themselves to be cynical and uncaring. On the other hand, having created and enforced the rules that enabled those behaviors, they can’t condemn them either. Worse yet, given Ms. Hannah-Jones’s acknowledgment that these behaviors are commonplace and widespread, any condemnation by the union would create significant risk for its members.

That’s why Ms. Weingarten is playing dumb and other union leaders are silent. As they always do, the unions will ignore the problem, let time diminish the memory and force of Ms. Hannah-Jones’s article, and continue to play their power games to the detriment of poor black children in America. Shame on the rest of us if we allow that to happen.

Mr. Klein was New York City’s schools chancellor, 2002-11.


 
Nikole Hannah-Jones and the story she wrote about her daughter is still being discussed. I know this is JPP and we're not changing the world here, but I just find it fascinating.

With poor or failing schools, we often hear about the need for more resources. PS 307 where he daughter went got over $50k/student. That's well above the NYC average. And it had small classes sizes. So it had what we often say schools need, yet it still failed these kids.

Which raises the question, if lack of resources wasn't the issue here then what was?

This column was written by Joel Klein who worked in the Clinton Administration and was the head of NYC schools for a decade. It's his opinion and there are multiple factors at play. Given the importance of education what went wrong is a question worth asking.



Nikole Hannah-Jones vs. Randi Weingarten​

‘We must learn what went wrong,’ says the head of the teachers union. She needs to look in the mirror.​


Nikole Hannah-Jones’s much-discussed New York Times article about the New York City public schools’ decadelong failures to educate her daughter drew a telling response from the head of the national union that represents the city’s teachers. “I was so saddened,” Randi Weingarten, president of the American Federation of Teachers, commented on the Bluesky social-media site. “Public schools must be places parents want to send their kids; where educators want to teach & where kids thrive. That is our North Star. We must learn what went wrong & address it so all students have what they deserve.”

But Ms. Hannah-Jones’s article makes clear “what went wrong.” Her daughter, Najya, and her classmates “were languishing in classrooms with educators who did not take their academic potential seriously and largely refused to teach.” And the failure to educate “poor Black children” isn’t limited to Najya’s school or even to the Hannah-Joneses’ city: “There was nothing exceptional about what I witnessed at P.S. 307. I had observed and reported on similar educational malfeasance in Detroit, in Durham, in St. Louis, in Tuscaloosa, in Birmingham.” Ms. Hannah-Jones writes.

If Ms. Weingarten wants to “learn what went wrong,” she should start by looking in the mirror. Her union is the primary reason New York’s public schools fail to educate so many children, especially poor black children.

Ms. Hannah-Jones chronicles a wide range of unprofessional practices at Najya’s school. Teachers refused to check homework or administer mandatory assessments. They were contemptuous of their students, thinking they had no ability to learn. They made up grades. They stopped calling on Najya in class, making her “so frustrated that, waving her hand furiously, she began to blurt out the answers.” They repeatedly ignored Ms. Hannah-Jones’s efforts to find out how her daughter was doing. Some were absent for long periods. Kids were left without substitute teachers and allowed to run wild and assault one another.

A debacle of this scope can’t be explained away by a lack of money or overwhelmed teachers—the usual excuses rolled out to defend failing schools by shifting blame to “the system.” Najya’s school is extremely well-resourced, spending more than $50,000 per pupil each year, and it has a low student-teacher ratio. More important, the transgressions Ms. Hannah-Jones documents had nothing to do with resources. They were intentionally harmful acts by uncaring teachers, who disrespected their students and refused to do the most basic and undemanding parts of their jobs. They didn’t even try.

This kind of persistent, comprehensive and unchecked behavior can persist only in the absence of accountability. These teachers knew there would be no consequences because their jobs are protected by policies and practices artfully designed by their union.

Teachers unions are built around two nonnegotiable principles: that teachers must be tenured for life and that their compensation can’t be based on performance. Taken together, they inflict enormous harm on schools like Najya’s. When teachers are paid the same regardless of ability, the good ones almost always go to high-performing schools serving motivated students. Those who “cannot get hired at a ‘better’ school,” as Ms. Hannah-Jones puts it, end up in schools like Najya’s. These schools, having started with less talented and conscientious teachers, are then stuck with them despite the intolerable practices Ms. Hannah-Jones repeatedly observed in Najya’s school.

Although fully aware of these harms, the unions remain implacable. Ms. Weingarten’s predecessor Albert Shanker, the most revered and powerful teachers-union leader in history, eventually came to appreciate the problem but couldn’t get his own union to change course. In a 1993 speech before the Pew Forum, he said: “The key is that unless there is accountability, we will never get the right system. As long as there are no consequences if kids or adults don’t perform, as long as the discussion is not about education and student outcomes, then we’re playing a game as to who has the power.”

No union leader since Shanker’s death in 1997 has adopted his position. They have kept playing the power game, a game they can’t lose and the kids can’t win.

Despite her devastating critique, Ms. Hannah-Jones remains focused on the problem and not the solution. She ignores the question of teacher accountability and fails to mention charter schools, an option showing real promise for the children she champions. For her, there are only two kinds of schools in New York—rich white ones and poor black ones—a description that inexplicably omits the almost 300 nonunionized charter schools in the city that educate 150,000 predominantly black and Latino children from low-income families.

Almost every one of these charter schools significantly outperforms Najya’s school. Some, like the 59 Success Charter Schools, match and even do better than the city’s highest-performing public schools. That’s because these charter schools hold themselves and their teachers accountable for the performance of their students. Despite these good results—or rather because of them—the teachers unions, supported by lawmakers fearful of their power, have put a limit on the number of charter schools allowed in the city.

Ms. Hannah-Jones has performed a public service by sharing the heartbreaking story of her daughter’s education and exhorting the rest of us to confront one of our nation’s greatest failings—the abysmal education being provided to the large majority of poor black children. But she leaves it to readers to identify the root cause: the teachers unions.

The unions have no answer to her exposé. On the one hand, they can’t defend the behaviors she documents without showing themselves to be cynical and uncaring. On the other hand, having created and enforced the rules that enabled those behaviors, they can’t condemn them either. Worse yet, given Ms. Hannah-Jones’s acknowledgment that these behaviors are commonplace and widespread, any condemnation by the union would create significant risk for its members.

That’s why Ms. Weingarten is playing dumb and other union leaders are silent. As they always do, the unions will ignore the problem, let time diminish the memory and force of Ms. Hannah-Jones’s article, and continue to play their power games to the detriment of poor black children in America. Shame on the rest of us if we allow that to happen.

Mr. Klein was New York City’s schools chancellor, 2002-11.


No government employees should be allowed to have unions.
If people don't know why, they're probably a dipshit.
That used to not be allowed at all.
 
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damn commie unions!! marxists!!!
Should being in a union mean no accountability? Where does protection of teachers and administrators end and accountability for performance begin?

When you read the story and they're not grading the kid's home work and a number of other things we take for granted at 'good' schools, why should we be ok with that?
 
Should being in a union mean no accountability? Where does protection of teachers and administrators end and accountability for performance begin?

When you read the story and they're not grading the kid's home work and a number of other things we take for granted at 'good' schools, why should we be ok with that?
Wall Street Journal bashing unions. Ho hum.
 
Wall Street Journal bashing unions. Ho hum.
michaeljordanfuckthemkids.jpg
 
This is the Left in action. At least Jones carried through on her political views and put her daughter where her mouth was, so-to-speak. Now she laments the stupidity of that action, as the Left usually does when their fucked-up ideas are actually implemented. She screwed her daughter over by wanting to carry through with her Leftist politics.

But I have to give her credit for practicing what she preached. Kudos there. Most Leftist only talk a good game but act in their own selfish, best interests.

As far as Naiya's school goes, it is as much a product of the kids that go there as the teachers. If you have a school that is mostly, or entirely, comprised of kids from lower class families, most of them have no intellectual home life whatsoever. There are no books in the house. Television or social media is the entertainment. No hobbies, nothing that requires thought or planning. These kids go to school where they have no interest in what is being taught. They see no value in it. For many of the boys, the gangster lifestyle is the appeal, and they are more interested in being in the local gang than learning anything. The parents that care seek alternatives like charter or private schools where they can.

The teachers don't give a shit and neither do the kids or their parents. Jones found that out the hard way.
 
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This is the Left in action. At least Jones carried through on her political views and put her daughter where her mouth was, so-to-speak. Now she laments the stupidity of that action, as the Left usually does when their fucked-up ideas are actually implemented. She screwed her daughter over by wanting to carry through with her Leftist politics.

But I have to give her credit for practicing what she preached. Kudos there. Most Leftist only talk a good game but act in their own selfish, best interests.

As far as Naiya's school goes, it is as much a product of the kids that go there as the teachers. If you have a school that is mostly, or entirely, comprised of kids from lower class families, most of them have no intellectual home life whatsoever. There are no books in the house. Television or social media is the entertainment. No hobbies, nothing that requires thought or planning. These kids go to school where they have no interest in what is being taught. They see no value in it. For many of the boys, the gangster lifestyle is the appeal, and they are more interested in being in the local gang than learning anything. The parents that care seek alternatives like charter or private schools where they can.

The teachers don't give a shit and neither do the kids or their parents. Jones found that out the hard way.
There are schools where a large majority of kids come from low income homes and the schools do fine. So it's not as easy as just blaming the kids or their homes.

PS 307 had resources yet the teachers and the administrators essentially failed the kids. That's the overarching issue here. Not every school is going to be elite, but this is just unacceptable. And the question is where does the accountability come from?
 
There are schools where a large majority of kids come from low income homes and the school's do fine. So it's not as easy as just blaming the kids or their homes.

PS 307 had resources yet the teachers and the administrators essentially failed the kids. That's the overarching issue here. Not every school is going to be elite, but this is just unacceptable. And the question is where does the accountability come from?
Feel free to give some examples.

I'd hold up the Kansas City Missouri where a federal judge essentially took over the school system and forced it to spend over $2 billion dollars (in the 1990's) on its schools and teachers. Grades and outcomes actually declined. Spending on education and education outcomes have little or nothing in common.


Yes, teachers make a difference and teacher's unions don't give a shit about students because they don't pay union dues. I get that. But it doesn't help if the students don't want to learn and have no motivation outside of school to learn.
 
Nikole Hannah-Jones and the story she wrote about her daughter is still being discussed. I know this is JPP and we're not changing the world here, but I just find it fascinating.

With poor or failing schools, we often hear about the need for more resources. PS 307 where he daughter went got over $50k/student. That's well above the NYC average. And it had small classes sizes. So it had what we often say schools need, yet it still failed these kids.

Which raises the question, if lack of resources wasn't the issue here then what was?

This column was written by Joel Klein who worked in the Clinton Administration and was the head of NYC schools for a decade. It's his opinion and there are multiple factors at play. Given the importance of education what went wrong is a question worth asking.



Nikole Hannah-Jones vs. Randi Weingarten​

‘We must learn what went wrong,’ says the head of the teachers union. She needs to look in the mirror.​


Nikole Hannah-Jones’s much-discussed New York Times article about the New York City public schools’ decadelong failures to educate her daughter drew a telling response from the head of the national union that represents the city’s teachers. “I was so saddened,” Randi Weingarten, president of the American Federation of Teachers, commented on the Bluesky social-media site. “Public schools must be places parents want to send their kids; where educators want to teach & where kids thrive. That is our North Star. We must learn what went wrong & address it so all students have what they deserve.”

But Ms. Hannah-Jones’s article makes clear “what went wrong.” Her daughter, Najya, and her classmates “were languishing in classrooms with educators who did not take their academic potential seriously and largely refused to teach.” And the failure to educate “poor Black children” isn’t limited to Najya’s school or even to the Hannah-Joneses’ city: “There was nothing exceptional about what I witnessed at P.S. 307. I had observed and reported on similar educational malfeasance in Detroit, in Durham, in St. Louis, in Tuscaloosa, in Birmingham.” Ms. Hannah-Jones writes.

If Ms. Weingarten wants to “learn what went wrong,” she should start by looking in the mirror. Her union is the primary reason New York’s public schools fail to educate so many children, especially poor black children.

Ms. Hannah-Jones chronicles a wide range of unprofessional practices at Najya’s school. Teachers refused to check homework or administer mandatory assessments. They were contemptuous of their students, thinking they had no ability to learn. They made up grades. They stopped calling on Najya in class, making her “so frustrated that, waving her hand furiously, she began to blurt out the answers.” They repeatedly ignored Ms. Hannah-Jones’s efforts to find out how her daughter was doing. Some were absent for long periods. Kids were left without substitute teachers and allowed to run wild and assault one another.

A debacle of this scope can’t be explained away by a lack of money or overwhelmed teachers—the usual excuses rolled out to defend failing schools by shifting blame to “the system.” Najya’s school is extremely well-resourced, spending more than $50,000 per pupil each year, and it has a low student-teacher ratio. More important, the transgressions Ms. Hannah-Jones documents had nothing to do with resources. They were intentionally harmful acts by uncaring teachers, who disrespected their students and refused to do the most basic and undemanding parts of their jobs. They didn’t even try.

This kind of persistent, comprehensive and unchecked behavior can persist only in the absence of accountability. These teachers knew there would be no consequences because their jobs are protected by policies and practices artfully designed by their union.

Teachers unions are built around two nonnegotiable principles: that teachers must be tenured for life and that their compensation can’t be based on performance. Taken together, they inflict enormous harm on schools like Najya’s. When teachers are paid the same regardless of ability, the good ones almost always go to high-performing schools serving motivated students. Those who “cannot get hired at a ‘better’ school,” as Ms. Hannah-Jones puts it, end up in schools like Najya’s. These schools, having started with less talented and conscientious teachers, are then stuck with them despite the intolerable practices Ms. Hannah-Jones repeatedly observed in Najya’s school.

Although fully aware of these harms, the unions remain implacable. Ms. Weingarten’s predecessor Albert Shanker, the most revered and powerful teachers-union leader in history, eventually came to appreciate the problem but couldn’t get his own union to change course. In a 1993 speech before the Pew Forum, he said: “The key is that unless there is accountability, we will never get the right system. As long as there are no consequences if kids or adults don’t perform, as long as the discussion is not about education and student outcomes, then we’re playing a game as to who has the power.”

No union leader since Shanker’s death in 1997 has adopted his position. They have kept playing the power game, a game they can’t lose and the kids can’t win.

Despite her devastating critique, Ms. Hannah-Jones remains focused on the problem and not the solution. She ignores the question of teacher accountability and fails to mention charter schools, an option showing real promise for the children she champions. For her, there are only two kinds of schools in New York—rich white ones and poor black ones—a description that inexplicably omits the almost 300 nonunionized charter schools in the city that educate 150,000 predominantly black and Latino children from low-income families.

Almost every one of these charter schools significantly outperforms Najya’s school. Some, like the 59 Success Charter Schools, match and even do better than the city’s highest-performing public schools. That’s because these charter schools hold themselves and their teachers accountable for the performance of their students. Despite these good results—or rather because of them—the teachers unions, supported by lawmakers fearful of their power, have put a limit on the number of charter schools allowed in the city.

Ms. Hannah-Jones has performed a public service by sharing the heartbreaking story of her daughter’s education and exhorting the rest of us to confront one of our nation’s greatest failings—the abysmal education being provided to the large majority of poor black children. But she leaves it to readers to identify the root cause: the teachers unions.

The unions have no answer to her exposé. On the one hand, they can’t defend the behaviors she documents without showing themselves to be cynical and uncaring. On the other hand, having created and enforced the rules that enabled those behaviors, they can’t condemn them either. Worse yet, given Ms. Hannah-Jones’s acknowledgment that these behaviors are commonplace and widespread, any condemnation by the union would create significant risk for its members.

That’s why Ms. Weingarten is playing dumb and other union leaders are silent. As they always do, the unions will ignore the problem, let time diminish the memory and force of Ms. Hannah-Jones’s article, and continue to play their power games to the detriment of poor black children in America. Shame on the rest of us if we allow that to happen.

Mr. Klein was New York City’s schools chancellor, 2002-11.


Appears to be just another bash teachers, bash teachers Unions, and Union teachers are only in it for the security and money, like teachers knock down big bucks. On top of that it is authored by a prior school administrator, not teacher, administrator, like asking a general what is it really like in a foxhole during war

Teachers are easy prey for politicians and reformers, it is not an easy job, and I’m amazing at the number of kids that still enter the field. Especially public schools, where teachers can’t flush kids, and have to work with what they assigned. And without Unions and such as tenure teachers would become political tools, hired and fired at the whim of the next elected politician

Is their a solution, not that I know, but given the number of Americans today who attended the same schools under the microscope today that are thriving I wouldn’t say the entire system is broken

Now tell us about Oregon, and how your whole season might ride on Halloween
 
Feel free to give some examples.

I'd hold up the Kansas City Missouri where a federal judge essentially took over the school system and forced it to spend over $2 billion dollars (in the 1990's) on its schools and teachers. Grades and outcomes actually declined. Spending on education and education outcomes have little or nothing in common.


Yes, teachers make a difference and teacher's unions don't give a shit about students because they don't pay union dues. I get that. But it doesn't help if the students don't want to learn and have no motivation outside of school to learn.
I'm struggling to understand your position. All things being equal I'd always rather have more money. That being said, the #1 response we hear for poor performing schools is give them more money. Well that's what they did for PS 307 and the results didn't change. More money doesn't guarantee better results. Hence the need for accountability.

Are there kids who come from low income households where education isn't emphasized? Sure. But I believe making that statement as a broad brush for all low income households is false.

And either way it does not absolve teachers, administrators and schools districts from their roles and accountability.
 
Appears to be just another bash teachers, bash teachers Unions, and Union teachers are only in it for the security and money, like teachers knock down big bucks. On top of that it is authored by a prior school administrator, not teacher, administrator, like asking a general what is it really like in a foxhole during war

Teachers are easy prey for politicians and reformers, it is not an easy job, and I’m amazing at the number of kids that still enter the field. Especially public schools, where teachers can’t flush kids, and have to work with what they assigned. And without Unions and such as tenure teachers would become political tools, hired and fired at the whim of the next elected politician

Is their a solution, not that I know, but given the number of Americans today who attended the same schools under the microscope today that are thriving I wouldn’t say the entire system is broken

Now tell us about Oregon, and how your whole season might ride on Halloween
At what point should there be any accountability then from leadership of the school? What's the point of giving all those additional resources to the school if the results don't change? The teachers weren't even grading her daughter's homework. Isn't that basic teaching 101?
 
Appears to be just another bash teachers, bash teachers Unions, and Union teachers are only in it for the security and money, like teachers knock down big bucks. On top of that it is authored by a prior school administrator, not teacher, administrator, like asking a general what is it really like in a foxhole during war

Teachers are easy prey for politicians and reformers, it is not an easy job, and I’m amazing at the number of kids that still enter the field. Especially public schools, where teachers can’t flush kids, and have to work with what they assigned. And without Unions and such as tenure teachers would become political tools, hired and fired at the whim of the next elected politician

Is their a solution, not that I know, but given the number of Americans today who attended the same schools under the microscope today that are thriving I wouldn’t say the entire system is broken

Now tell us about Oregon, and how your whole season might ride on Halloween
Our whole season was geared to this Oregon game and we blew it. Riley lost the fan base with that game. Short of making the playoffs, which we won't, he's gone.

Some of the scuttlebutt is he might agree to voluntarily leave and take a job at a place like Baylor or TCU. He would make the same money and USC would still be on the hook for a fair amount, but it gives him a fresh start and we don't have to pay the full buyout if we fired him.

It's not a good fit and it's not gone well.
 
Appears to be just another bash teachers, bash teachers Unions, and Union teachers are only in it for the security and money, like teachers knock down big bucks.
Agree. It is shameful to use ones criticism of unions to attack the teaching profession.
 
And the there's this side of the coin:

PS 307, where HNJ sent her daughter, spends over $50K/student. It was given the resources, and look at the results. That's the specific issue here.

No question resources are important, but at what point should there be accountability when they're given?
 
At what point should there be any accountability then from leadership of the school? What's the point of giving all those additional resources to the school if the results don't change? The teachers weren't even grading her daughter's homework. Isn't that basic teaching 101?
Does an anecdotal narrative quite qualify for condemning an entire school system or approach

I don’t believe there is one fits all approach to pedagogy, what works in one place may not work in another.

Successful charter schools, and there are more failures than successes in charter schools, have the luxury of flushing kids, public schools can not, comparing the results of the two isn’t representative of either

And I don’t know about accountability, if I had to guess, like most organizations, the peter principle applies, those that can’t teach are forced to teach gym or whatever to make it so uncomfortable for they bail
 
Our whole season was geared to this Oregon game and we blew it. Riley lost the fan base with that game. Short of making the playoffs, which we won't, he's gone.

Some of the scuttlebutt is he might agree to voluntarily leave and take a job at a place like Baylor or TCU. He would make the same money and USC would still be on the hook for a fair amount, but it gives him a fresh start and we don't have to pay the full buyout if we fired him.

It's not a good fit and it's not gone well
As I tried to tell you two years ago, USC, being a respected private institution, is not going to compete for a national championship, not hating on USC, just stating the obvious. For your sake I hope I’m wrong, but ain’t seeing it, I’d tell a diehard Duke, NorthWestern, or even a Vanderbilt fan the same.

Enjoy the Halloween game and UCLA rivalry
 
Does an anecdotal narrative quite qualify for condemning an entire school system or approach

I don’t believe there is one fits all approach to pedagogy, what works in one place may not work in another.

Successful charter schools, and there are more failures than successes in charter schools, have the luxury of flushing kids, public schools can not, comparing the results of the two isn’t representative of either

And I don’t know about accountability, if I had to guess, like most organizations, the peter principle applies, those that can’t teach are forced to teach gym or whatever to make it so uncomfortable for they bail
This isn't condemning an entire school system approach per se. It's speaking about a specific school that was given resources and the results didn't change.

And HNJ specifically wrote about issues like not grading homework, not assessing the kids and not responding to parents. You shake your head when you read that.

There's no single easy answer here. It's not about teachers or administrators having no protections but there needs to be a level of accountability. But if the answer is just move ineffective teachers and administrators around, how does that help the kids?
 
This isn't condemning an entire school system approach per se. It's speaking about a specific school that was given resources and the results didn't change.

And HNJ specifically wrote about issues like not grading homework, not assessing the kids and not responding to parents. You shake your head when you read that.

There's no single easy answer here. It's not about teachers or administrators having no protections but there needs to be a level of accountability. But if the answer is just move ineffective teachers and administrators around, how does that help the kids?
It’s improbable that the vast majority of shit teachers aren’t held accountable, as I said, if tenured, assign them gym or the detention room or some shit assignment. Easy to pick one instance and generalize it on the profession as a whole
 
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