Trump’s Rust Belt voters bail as his Ohio rally plays to empty seats: 'I fell for it'

[Guno צְבִי]

Donald Trump went back to Ohio to rally support for Republicans in the Rust Belt, where entire sections of a hockey arena sat mostly empty, and some of the voters who helped power his rise say they’ve stopped buying what he’s selling.

The Washington Post reported that the upper levels of Youngstown’s Covelli Centre, home to the Phantoms junior hockey team, were largely empty during the rally, and Trump, who often brags about the size of his crowds, said nothing about the attendance.


“I think he’s just lost in the sauce,” Akel added. “He sees [AI] as a way to make more money. … They’re putting billions and billions into all that. Where’s it all coming from? You’ve got people starving here.”

Brian, a 54-year-old from Liberty who voted for Trump in all three of his elections, lost his welding job of roughly 25 years and called the local job market a “ghost town.”

“I’m extremely disappointed in him,” he told the Post. “I fell for it.”

He now plans to vote only in local races, and he also doubts Trump’s promise that tech companies will cover the extra electricity costs that come with data centers.

“We’re going to pay for all of this,” he said. “We always do.”

MSN

 

[Valentino]

Wow... is that true or just a shot of the stand before the crowd got there?

 

[CasualLurker]

I'm very nervous about the mid-terms. The Republicans should get totally steamrolled, but I doubt that they will.
America is devastatingly cursed by the insanity of so much of its population. Democratic-leaning journalists are always way to optimistic.

 

[zymurgy]

I'm very nervous about the mid-terms. The Republicans should get totally steamrolled, but I doubt that they will.
America is devastatingly cursed by the insanity of so much of its population. Democratic-leaning journalists are always way to optimistic.

the democrats are lucky to even be competitive. they have the media on their side - allowing low information voters to buy into their narratives

 

[CasualLurker]

the democrats are lucky to even be competitive. they have the media on their side - allowing low information voters to buy into their narratives

GOP TV adds are exclusively for low information voters.
They say how their opponents voted for or against so many "good" or "bad" bills,
but they don't explain what else was included in the bill.

I can't imagine how people can be stupid enough to not understand this, but many--probably most--of them are.

I only look at names in the Democratic primaries. In the general elections, I vote straight blue tickets because anybody willing to have an (R) after his/her name has a totally different opinion of the function of government than I do.

 

[Guno צְבִי]

Post reporter Emily Davies shared photos on X showing “entirely empty sections” in the arena, with the damning pictures taken as Trump walked on stage.

A quarter of the seats in the venue were covered in tarps, and only two-thirds of the available seats were ever filled, according to local station WFMJ.

Kaitlan Collins Humiliates Trump With Video of Empty Seats

The president was suspiciously quiet on one usual bragging point.

www.thedailybeast.com

 

[zymurgy]

GOP TV adds are exclusively for low information voters.
They say how their opponents voted for or against so many "good" or "bad" bills,
but they don't explain what else was included in the bill.

I can't imagine how people can be stupid enough to not understand this, but many--probably most--of them are.

I only look at names in the Democratic primaries. In the general elections, I vote straight blue tickets because anybody willing to have an (R) after his/her name has a totally different opinion of the function of government than I do.

You spend half your post calling people stupid and uninformed, then proudly announce that you vote straight Democrat regardless of the candidate.

And that's precisely the problem. The progressive wing of the Democratic Party is economically illiterate, yet its policies get a free pass from voters who care more about the letter beside a candidate's name than the economic consequences of their ideas.

But tell me more about low-information voters.

 

[Althea]

Donald Trump went back to Ohio to rally support for Republicans in the Rust Belt, where entire sections of a hockey arena sat mostly empty, and some of the voters who helped power his rise say they’ve stopped buying what he’s selling.

The Washington Post reported that the upper levels of Youngstown’s Covelli Centre, home to the Phantoms junior hockey team, were largely empty during the rally, and Trump, who often brags about the size of his crowds, said nothing about the attendance.


“I think he’s just lost in the sauce,” Akel added. “He sees [AI] as a way to make more money. … They’re putting billions and billions into all that. Where’s it all coming from? You’ve got people starving here.”

Brian, a 54-year-old from Liberty who voted for Trump in all three of his elections, lost his welding job of roughly 25 years and called the local job market a “ghost town.”

“I’m extremely disappointed in him,” he told the Post. “I fell for it.”

He now plans to vote only in local races, and he also doubts Trump’s promise that tech companies will cover the extra electricity costs that come with data centers.

“We’re going to pay for all of this,” he said. “We always do.”

MSN

This was classic!!!

MAGA News Channel Cuts Away as Interview Goes Off the Rails

The pro-Trump network cut away after a voter in line unloaded on the president and his VP.

www.thedailybeast.com

 

[goat]

Donald Trump went back to Ohio to rally support for Republicans in the Rust Belt, where entire sections of a hockey arena sat mostly empty, and some of the voters who helped power his rise say they’ve stopped buying what he’s selling.

The Washington Post reported that the upper levels of Youngstown’s Covelli Centre, home to the Phantoms junior hockey team, were largely empty during the rally, and Trump, who often brags about the size of his crowds, said nothing about the attendance.


“I think he’s just lost in the sauce,” Akel added. “He sees [AI] as a way to make more money. … They’re putting billions and billions into all that. Where’s it all coming from? You’ve got people starving here.”

Brian, a 54-year-old from Liberty who voted for Trump in all three of his elections, lost his welding job of roughly 25 years and called the local job market a “ghost town.”

“I’m extremely disappointed in him,” he told the Post. “I fell for it.”

He now plans to vote only in local races, and he also doubts Trump’s promise that tech companies will cover the extra electricity costs that come with data centers.

“We’re going to pay for all of this,” he said. “We always do.”

MSN

Things haven't been this bad since the Biden administration.

 

[CasualLurker]

You spend half your post calling people stupid and uninformed, then proudly announce that you vote straight Democrat regardless of the candidate.

And that's precisely the problem. The progressive wing of the Democratic Party is economically illiterate, yet its policies get a free pass from voters who care more about the letter beside a candidate's name than the economic consequences of their ideas.

But tell me more about low-information voters.

People with three digit IQs should understand that the two major parties have radically different philosophies on the very function of government.
Splitting tickets is the perfect example of being a low information voter. It's an endorsement of inefficiency and gridlock.
Voting for any Republican would be a sick act of sabotage toward my own core values, even if I don't agree with the Democrat on every issue.
One issue voting is another example of being a low information voter.

 

[zymurgy]

People with three digit IQs should understand that the two major parties have radically different philosophies on the very function of government.
Splitting tickets is the perfect example of being a low information voter. It's an endorsement of inefficiency and gridlock.
Voting for any Republican would be a sick act of sabotage toward my own core values, even if I don't agree with the Democrat on every issue.
One issue voting is another example of being a low information voter.

Much of the mainstream media seems more interested in defending Democrats than scrutinizing them. Time and again, they circle the wagons instead of holding their own side accountable.

And voters like you proudly announce that you'll support the party regardless of the candidate or the consequences.

So who's holding Democrats accountable? Certainly not voters who have already promised them their vote.

That's not a healthy democracy. That's blind partisan loyalty masquerading as political sophistication.

 

[CasualLurker]

Much of the mainstream media seems more interested in defending Democrats than scrutinizing them. Time and again, they circle the wagons instead of holding their own side accountable.

And voters like you proudly announce that you'll support the party regardless of the candidate or the consequences.

So who's holding Democrats accountable? Certainly not voters who have already promised them their vote.

That's not a healthy democracy. That's blind partisan loyalty masquerading as political sophistication.

One thing to consider is that we Democrats are the people who nominated our candidates.
That's why I loathe the practice of allowing non-registrants to vote in our primaries.
It's not their party--they shouldn't be interfering with our internal party affairs.

We can at least agree that there's very little if any overlap in our political values.

 

[zymurgy]

One thing to consider is that we Democrats are the people who nominated our candidates.
That's why I loathe the practice of allowing non-registrants to vote in our primaries.
It's not their party--they shouldn't be interfering with our internal party affairs.

We can at least agree that there's very little if any overlap in our political values.

So your answer to "Who holds Democrats accountable?" is "We nominated them"?

Primaries give you a choice between Democrats. They don't magically make the party accountable, particularly when its voters and much of the media circle the wagons whenever that party deserves scrutiny.

And you've already admitted that whoever wins your primary gets your vote in November, regardless.

We don't have to share political values to recognize that government needs independent scrutiny and accountability.

But apparently, to you, accountability means making sure only Democrats get to decide which Democrats deserve unquestioned support.

 

[Nordberg]

the democrats are lucky to even be competitive. they have the media on their side - allowing low information voters to buy into their narratives

The left leaning media is a slice of all media. The wealthy bought up the media and made it super pro-wealthy and anti-poor and middle
class. The right believes that the many, many right-wing stations instruct.

 

[martin]

Much of the mainstream media seems more interested in defending Democrats than scrutinizing them. Time and again, they circle the wagons instead of holding their own side accountable.

And voters like you proudly announce that you'll support the party regardless of the candidate or the consequences.

So who's holding Democrats accountable? Certainly not voters who have already promised them their vote.

That's not a healthy democracy. That's blind partisan loyalty masquerading as political sophistication.

Good points in normal times. In this election there is a focus on corralling the Trump Administration which has become entirely the self obsessed person its named for.

 

[CasualLurker]

So your answer to "Who holds Democrats accountable?" is "We nominated them"?

Primaries give you a choice between Democrats. They don't magically make the party accountable, particularly when its voters and much of the media circle the wagons whenever that party deserves scrutiny.

And you've already admitted that whoever wins your primary gets your vote in November, regardless.

We don't have to share political values to recognize that government needs independent scrutiny and accountability.

But apparently, to you, accountability means making sure only Democrats get to decide which Democrats deserve unquestioned support.

I recognize the right of people with different values and philosophies on economic and social issues to support the candidates of their choice.
I refuse to accept the legitimacy of people interfering with the choices of a party with which they're not registered.

I think that American style capitalism is an anachronism and impediment to bringing America into a just modernity.
I believe that capitalism should be confined to consumer goods and services only.

You feel otherwise and should support your own choices for political office without interferring in mine.
We, like America itself, are fully polarized.

 

[zymurgy]

The left leaning media is a slice of all media. The wealthy bought up the media and made it super pro-wealthy and anti-poor and middle
class. The right believes that the many, many right-wing stations instruct.

I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make. Wealthy people own media companies, therefore the media can't have a left-wing political bias?

Let's look at something measurable.

In 2016, among the 100 largest American newspapers, 57 endorsed Hillary Clinton. Just TWO endorsed Donald Trump. Even newspapers with decades of Republican endorsements abandoned their tradition to support Clinton.

Does that sound like a media establishment overwhelmingly sympathetic to Republicans?

And the negative coverage numbers during the general election weren't exactly balanced either.

You can argue that Trump deserved the criticism. That's a different discussion. But pretending corporate ownership somehow disproves political bias is absurd.

My point remains: a political party that enjoys sympathetic media coverage and unconditional loyalty from its voters faces fewer incentives for accountability.

That's not good for either party, or the country.

 

[Matt Dillon]

Donald Trump went back to Ohio to rally support for Republicans in the Rust Belt, where entire sections of a hockey arena sat mostly empty, and some of the voters who helped power his rise say they’ve stopped buying what he’s selling.

The Washington Post reported that the upper levels of Youngstown’s Covelli Centre, home to the Phantoms junior hockey team, were largely empty during the rally, and Trump, who often brags about the size of his crowds, said nothing about the attendance.


“I think he’s just lost in the sauce,” Akel added. “He sees [AI] as a way to make more money. … They’re putting billions and billions into all that. Where’s it all coming from? You’ve got people starving here.”

Brian, a 54-year-old from Liberty who voted for Trump in all three of his elections, lost his welding job of roughly 25 years and called the local job market a “ghost town.”

“I’m extremely disappointed in him,” he told the Post. “I fell for it.”

He now plans to vote only in local races, and he also doubts Trump’s promise that tech companies will cover the extra electricity costs that come with data centers.

“We’re going to pay for all of this,” he said. “We always do.”

MSN

This one, shitneck?

https://twitter.com/x/status/2109793543657017683

View: https://x.com/EricLDaugh/status/2109793543657017683?s=20

 

[zymurgy]

I recognize the right of people with different values and philosophies on economic and social issues to support the candidates of their choice.
I refuse to accept the legitimacy of people interfering with the choices of a party with which they're not registered.

I think that American style capitalism is an anachronism and impediment to bringing America into a just modernity.
I believe that capitalism should be confined to consumer goods and services only.

You feel otherwise and should support your own choices for political office without interferring in mine.
We, like America itself, are fully polarized.

Who's interfering with your primary? I'm not voting in it. I'm criticizing the candidates and policies your party produces. There's a rather significant difference.

You don't get to nominate people who will govern the entire country and then declare that only registered Democrats have a legitimate interest in scrutinizing them.

And now we get to the heart of our disagreement. You believe capitalism should be confined to consumer goods and services.

Fine. Then explain who controls investment, allocates capital, and determines production throughout the rest of the economy. Government bureaucrats? And who holds THEM accountable?

Political parties aren't private clubs once their candidates hold public office.

And questioning their policies isn't interference. It's democracy.

 

[CasualLurker]

W

Fine. Then explain who controls investment, allocates capital, and determines production throughout the rest of the economy. Government bureaucrats? And who holds THEM accountable?

Many nations in the world have excellently succeeded with having a far more comprehensive public sector and more regulated private sector that ours. Globally, quality of life is considered better in those nations than ours.