A Defense of a Liberal Arts Education

[Yakuda]

You really have no idea what is happening in universities.

LMFAO you have no idea who I am or what i know but you think you do. Is that the result of a liberal arts education? To assume things?

 

[Diogenes]

You really have no idea what is happening in universities.

What makes you say that?

 

[Yakuda]

You really have no idea what is happening in universities.

I disagree with you and based on that fact alone you conclude I dont know what goes on in universities. If I have to tell you why the logic fails then the university system has failed you.

BTW Im STILL waiting for an answer to post #83

 

[Into the Night]

When you look at a culture, and you want to ask yourself: “Well, how did we go from Weimar Germany to Nazism?”

Having a schizophrenic episode again, Hugo? You are only one person. You didn't.

Obviously, education is going to be a part of that, but it’s not in any way going to be the whole of it.

What education?

I don’t buy that Nazism is proof that higher learning doesn’t work.

Non-sequitur fallacy.

The point of fact is that the Nazis were very much against higher education in many ways and wanted to constrain and control it.

The preferred indoctrination, like Democrats do today.

 

[Into the Night]

The DOE is the Department of Energy, so there does appear to be a hole in this person's education.

The ED combined government agencies into a single department. They existed since 1867. There is no one educated before 1867 posting on the internet.

The DOE can refer to either the Dept of Energy or the Dept of Education, Wally.
There was no internet in 1867, Wally.
The Dept of Education has not educated a single student.

 

[Into the Night]

I have doubts you are intelligent.

Mantra 1a. Lame.

 

[Into the Night]

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I never read your crap

Not his crap. It's just more mindless cut and paste.

 

[Into the Night]

I ignore all text not authored by the person posting.

Obvious lie, since you responded to it.

 

[Into the Night]

Is that so? Why?

Probably because of your mindless spamming.

 

[Into the Night]

It appears that you do.

Meanwhile, I believe a reasonable inference could draw a parallel between what the Nazis did and what Elon Musk calls the "woke mind virus", albeit there is a structural difference in the way leftists have informally imposed de facto policies that closely mirror the Nazis' tactics sans the enabling legislation.

@Grok agrees.

Grok is not sentient. It can't agree to anything.

 

[Into the Night]

Whats funny is its seem you actually think of yourself as an "educated" person. You like to copy and paste stuff about philosophy as if that makes you really intelligent yet you cant seem to figure out why the definition of words matter. You cany figure out why some us might be concerned that a woman who will be deciding issues that could affect peoples lives for decades cant tell us what a woman is. What else cant see tell us? I REALLY try being nice to you but you make it so difficult and clearly you have neither the will nor ability to engage in a rational conversation. As result there is no reason to take anything you say seriously.

Quite right. He doesn't know what philosophy even is.
What you are seeing is his own narcissism.

 

[Into the Night]

I have never seen you discuss anything about philosophy.

You discard philosophy. You don't even know what it is.
He presented an argument with his own reasoning.

That is philosophy.

 

[Into the Night]

Most because Hume is a textbook example of what happens when people spend too much time in an education system controlled by leftists. They're weak minded, they lack the ability to articulate a rational argument, they onl repeat what they've been "taught" and have no idea what to do when anyone disagrees with them.

It's simpler than that.

Hugo is illiterate.
He is also a narcissist, trying to puff himself up by claiming an 'education'.

He spends most of time here throwing insults and cutting and pasting, usually depending on some Holy Link as Gospel.

 

[Into the Night]

Never said such a thing. Stop lying.

DON'T TRY TO DENY YOUR OWN POSTS, HUGO!

 

[Into the Night]

Where?

DON'T TRY TO DENY YOUR OWN POSTS, HUGO!

 

[Into the Night]

The distinction is nobody refers to high school as a liberal arts education.

Do you even know what a 'liberal arts education' is? Hint: It's not a degree or title.

 

[Into the Night]

I really do not know what you mean. All universities teach students what to think no matter what your major is.

Hence the problem.

 

[Into the Night]

@Hume has what people in the UK call "form" for making claims and refusing to even try to prove them.

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Yes. In this thread that is not a vibe. It is the method.


What “form” looks like here

1. Assert the strong version, then treat proof as optional.

What proof?

1. 
   “Philosophy always questions the frame.

Philosophy does not question any frame.

1. STEM is just pragmatic and mechanistic.

Philosophy is not STEM.

1. ” That is a universal claim about two families of disciplines. When it is challenged with counterexamples (foundations of physics, philosophy of science, systems design; captured humanities that apply a frame rather than test one), the reply is not evidence. It is “shut up moron.”

Science is not philosophy.
Physics is a branch of science.
Wandering phrases.

1. Own the text, deny the text.
   He opened with the Weimar/Nazi passage. Asked why he brought Nazis in, he said “Where?” The quote was post #1. That is not confusion. It is refusal to stay hitched to a claim once the claim becomes expensive.

You don't own Grok. Denying one's own posts is always pointless because anyone can read them.

1. Redefine the topic instead of meeting the objection.
   “Topic is university liberal arts.” Fair as a scope rule once. Used repeatedly, it becomes a shield: K–12 readiness, incoming remediation, and “what is actually taught in these departments” are waved off as a different subject even when they determine whether his university ideal can occur.

Random phrases. NO apparent coherency.

1. Substitute status moves for reasons.
   “Stop lying.” “I see why you are confused.” “pea brain.” “shut up moron.” Those are not asides. They are the load-bearing replies after the two-sentence thesis.

What 'thesis'??

That pattern is visible in his recent posting generally: short verdicts (“Yes, you fascists hate everybody,” “shut up moron,” “Trump does not try to hide his corruption”), article drops without development, “No link, no read,” and a habit of naming (“fascism”) without defining when asked. Twenty thousand posts is a long enough sample that this is not a bad day. It is how he argues.

You are not Grok. You cannot become Grok.

What this does to the liberal-arts claim

He doesn't know what it is. Neither do you.

The claim needed the opposite of that method. Frame-questioning is a practice. You show it by answering “always / just,” by separating the ideal seminar from the modal department, and by saying what would count as failure. Hume’s form is the inverse: maximum wording, minimum burden.


So the UK sense of form applies. He has a record of planting a large statement and then treating requests for proof as hostility or off-topic. In this thread the large statement was about what philosophy is and what STEM is. He has not tried to prove it. He has tried to make asking the price of the conversation.

Philosophy is not STEM.
Random phrases. No apparent coherency.

 

[Into the Night]

I know you dont. Thats precisely the problem. They accept people entirely unprepared for college and fill them with stuff. Is that "stuff" good? calling it a "liberal education" doesnt automatically make it good.

He doesn't even know what a 'liberal education' is, or how it developed, or the reason for developing it.

 

[AProudLefty]

Having a schizophrenic episode again, Hugo? You are only one person. You didn't.

What education?

Non-sequitur fallacy.

The preferred indoctrination, like Democrats do today.

Here's a great example of education failing him.