A mortal blow to Young Earth creationism

[Into the Night]

It appears most did, Sybil, and most agree you’re a fruitcake. Keep up the good work!

You don't get to speak for anyone else. You can only speak for you. Omniscience fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

I think that time is coming close provided, as usual, we survive our own stupidity. My expiration date is around 2036 and we might see at least the beginnings by then with fusion or some other breakthrough in unlimited energy.

Fusion is not unlimited energy.

 

[Into the Night]

Agreed. The only reason Trump isn’t in prison for running an underage brothel is because he was born rich. He turned a massive multimillion dollar empire into a reality TV show.

Fucking awesome, truly!

Hallucinations.

 

[Micawber]

Young earth creationism.

 

[Into the Night]

Young earth creationism.

In San Diego there is a car company that applies solar cells to the body of the car. A few years off but it will be cool.
Nothing like a couple extra gallons of free "gas" with each tank.

Meh. Sounds like an expensive car.

 

[Into the Night]

Hello Dutch Uncle,



Safe nukes is the answer.

Both fusion and fission are nuclear power.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Hello Dutch Uncle,

Safe nukes is the answer.

Agreed as long as “safe” includes “safe disposal of results”.

There is power in the Universe. Tapping into it is the big challenge and I think we'll do it. Hopefully in my lifetime.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

You don't get to speak for anyone else. You can only speak for you.

No shit, Sybil.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Dutch Uncle,

Agreed as long as “safe” includes “safe disposal of results”.

There is power in the Universe. Tapping into it is the big challenge and I think we'll do it. Hopefully in my lifetime.

I like that technology called Traveling Wave Reactor.

It can't melt down, and it uses spent fuel from old tech reactors.

What's not to like?

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Here is a wonderful story that puts to rest both the estimated age of human presence in the New World, and that young Earth nonsense.

"David Bustos heard about the “ghost tracks” when he first went to White Sands National Park in New Mexico to work as a wildlife scientist in 2005. When the ground was wet enough at certain times of the year, the ghostly footprints would appear on the otherwise blank earth, only to disappear again when it dried out.

"It wasn’t until over 10 years later, in 2016, that scientists confirmed that the ghost tracks had been made by real people — and it’s only now that some of the ancient footprints at White Sands have been dated as the earliest in North America.
...
"The tracks at one location have been revealed as both the earliest known footprints and the oldest firm evidence of humans anywhere in the Americas, showing that people lived there 21,000 to 23,000 years ago — several thousand years earlier than scientists once believed."

Source: Fossil footprints show humans in North America more than 21,000 years ago

 

[Cypress]

Here is a wonderful story that puts to rest both the estimated age of human presence in the New World, and that young Earth nonsense.

"David Bustos heard about the “ghost tracks” when he first went to White Sands National Park in New Mexico to work as a wildlife scientist in 2005. When the ground was wet enough at certain times of the year, the ghostly footprints would appear on the otherwise blank earth, only to disappear again when it dried out.

"It wasn’t until over 10 years later, in 2016, that scientists confirmed that the ghost tracks had been made by real people — and it’s only now that some of the ancient footprints at White Sands have been dated as the earliest in North America.
...
"The tracks at one location have been revealed as both the earliest known footprints and the oldest firm evidence of humans anywhere in the Americas, showing that people lived there 21,000 to 23,000 years ago — several thousand years earlier than scientists once believed."

Source: Fossil footprints show humans in North America more than 21,000 years ago

Super cool!

Holy smoke, 21,000 years. I get the impression that the evidence for human migration to North America just keeps getting pushed deeper in time.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Here is a wonderful story that puts to rest both the estimated age of human presence in the New World, and that young Earth nonsense.

"David Bustos heard about the “ghost tracks” when he first went to White Sands National Park in New Mexico to work as a wildlife scientist in 2005. When the ground was wet enough at certain times of the year, the ghostly footprints would appear on the otherwise blank earth, only to disappear again when it dried out.

"It wasn’t until over 10 years later, in 2016, that scientists confirmed that the ghost tracks had been made by real people — and it’s only now that some of the ancient footprints at White Sands have been dated as the earliest in North America.
...
"The tracks at one location have been revealed as both the earliest known footprints and the oldest firm evidence of humans anywhere in the Americas, showing that people lived there 21,000 to 23,000 years ago — several thousand years earlier than scientists once believed."

Source: Fossil footprints show humans in North America more than 21,000 years ago

Super cool!

Holy smoke, 21,000 years. I get the impression that the evidence for human migration to North America just keeps getting pushed deeper in time.

Pretty cool.

"“You can now look at the oldest sites and say, ‘We know they were there during the Last Glacial Maximum,’ so maybe some of these oldest sites are also reliable,” he said.

The term “Last Glacial Maximum” is how scientists refer to the height of the last ice age, about 20,000 to 26,000 years ago.

It has long been debated whether humans arrived in the Americas by a northern route from Siberia before or after the Last Glacial Maximum, when vast sheets of ice would have made migration along the Pacific Coast or through western Canada impossible."

 

[Cypress]

Pretty cool.

"“You can now look at the oldest sites and say, ‘We know they were there during the Last Glacial Maximum,’ so maybe some of these oldest sites are also reliable,” he said.

The term “Last Glacial Maximum” is how scientists refer to the height of the last ice age, about 20,000 to 26,000 years ago.

It has long been debated whether humans arrived in the Americas by a northern route from Siberia before or after the Last Glacial Maximum, when vast sheets of ice would have made migration along the Pacific Coast or through western Canada impossible."

It is not obvious to me that the migration to North America had to be via land route.

Humans were capable of paddling ocean-going boats to Australia 60,000 years ago.

I wonder if it was possible for humans to paddle down the coast of north America, hop-scotching a coastal route until they reached lower latitudes.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

It is not obvious to me that the migration to North America had to be via land route.

Humans were capable of paddling ocean-going boats to Australia 60,000 years ago.

I wonder if it was possible for humans to paddle down the coast of north America, hop-scotching a coastal route until they reached lower latitudes.

Leif Erikson did it a thousand years ago. I don't see why another people couldn't have done likewise.

TBH, I find it difficult to believe that mankind has been around for 200,000 years and didn't develop boats capable of coastal travel until the last couple thousand years. That's a whole lot of time for the rise and fall of civilizations.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Hello Dutch Uncle,



I like that technology called Traveling Wave Reactor.

It can't melt down, and it uses spent fuel from old tech reactors.

What's not to like?

Not an engineer, but I like results that work.

 

[Cypress]

Leif Erikson did it a thousand years ago. I don't see why another people couldn't have done likewise.

TBH, I find it difficult to believe that mankind has been around for 200,000 years and didn't develop boats capable of coastal travel until the last couple thousand years. That's a whole lot of time for the rise and fall of civilizations.

Back in the 1990s, the remains of a 9,000 year old human was found on Catalina Island, 25 miles offshore mainland California.

It is pretty obvious Paleolithic humans were fully capable of coastal marine navigation.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello ThatOwlWoman,

Here is a wonderful story that puts to rest both the estimated age of human presence in the New World, and that young Earth nonsense.

"David Bustos heard about the “ghost tracks” when he first went to White Sands National Park in New Mexico to work as a wildlife scientist in 2005. When the ground was wet enough at certain times of the year, the ghostly footprints would appear on the otherwise blank earth, only to disappear again when it dried out.

"It wasn’t until over 10 years later, in 2016, that scientists confirmed that the ghost tracks had been made by real people — and it’s only now that some of the ancient footprints at White Sands have been dated as the earliest in North America.
...
"The tracks at one location have been revealed as both the earliest known footprints and the oldest firm evidence of humans anywhere in the Americas, showing that people lived there 21,000 to 23,000 years ago — several thousand years earlier than scientists once believed."

Source: Fossil footprints show humans in North America more than 21,000 years ago

Wow!

That's older than Donald Trump's airplane!

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Cypress,

It is not obvious to me that the migration to North America had to be via land route.

Humans were capable of paddling ocean-going boats to Australia 60,000 years ago.

I wonder if it was possible for humans to paddle down the coast of north America, hop-scotching a coastal route until they reached lower latitudes.

It seems far more likely than traveling over ice. Ice routes are typically daunting to travel. The ice is rarely smooth, but instead is frequently very jagged, making it nearly impossible to drag sleds of supplies. Shackleton tried it in 1915 and found it impossible to even make as much progress as was made due to moving ice.

 

[Into the Night]

Here is a wonderful story that puts to rest both the estimated age of human presence in the New World, and that young Earth nonsense.

"David Bustos heard about the “ghost tracks” when he first went to White Sands National Park in New Mexico to work as a wildlife scientist in 2005. When the ground was wet enough at certain times of the year, the ghostly footprints would appear on the otherwise blank earth, only to disappear again when it dried out.

"It wasn’t until over 10 years later, in 2016, that scientists confirmed that the ghost tracks had been made by real people — and it’s only now that some of the ancient footprints at White Sands have been dated as the earliest in North America.
...
"The tracks at one location have been revealed as both the earliest known footprints and the oldest firm evidence of humans anywhere in the Americas, showing that people lived there 21,000 to 23,000 years ago — several thousand years earlier than scientists once believed."

Source: Fossil footprints show humans in North America more than 21,000 years ago

It doesn't put to rest either.

People will still claim Earth is only 6000 years old, and it's not possible to date a void. No knows when these footprints were made. Interpretation like this is not science.

Science is a set of falsifiable theories. There are NO theories in science of any past unobserved event. It is not possible to go back to see what actually happened.

As far what 'scientists believe', they believe all sorts of things. None of it is science. I note that you did not name any scientist. You don't get to speak for all scientists.

 

[Into the Night]

Super cool!

Holy smoke, 21,000 years. I get the impression that the evidence for human migration to North America just keeps getting pushed deeper in time.

Interpretation isn't evidence. It is interpretation.