A mortal blow to Young Earth creationism

Damocles said:
Which would tell you the rock was a certain age but not when the hand prints were placed.

I'd wonder if they tested the pigments they used... that could actually net a time period when the prints were placed.

I mean, if I repaint a car that was built in the 70s and leave a fingerprint on it, that does not mean the fingerprint was placed in the 70s if they prove the car was built then... eh?
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It's even worse. It doesn't tell the age of sedimentary rock, since it was cold rock as sand or mud.
 
Into the Night said:
Not possible.
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Donny?

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Into the Night said:
It's even worse. It doesn't tell the age of sedimentary rock, since it was cold rock as sand or mud.
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That would make these even older than the rock they were found in. You'd have to know how long it took for the prints to fossilize, which is probably the reason they have such a large window of time in their estimate.
 
Damocles said:
Yes. I believe that dinosaur bones come from animals that went extinct millions of years ago.

I also believe that the universe is over 14 Billion years old.

Tell us what you believe. I'd love to hear your "hypotheses".
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Me? I make no claim about where any bone comes from.
I make no claim that dinosaurs did or didn't exist.
I really don't care.

Concerning the Universe:
I believe the Universe has no age, since it has no beginning, and has no end. It has always existed, and always will.
The Earth has a beginning, and it has an end.
The age of Earth is unknown. Unless something intervenes, the Earth will be destroyed by the Sun as the Sun uses up the last of it's fuel.
 
Damocles said:
That would make these even older than the rock they were found in. You'd have to know how long it took for the prints to fossilize, which is probably the reason they have such a large window of time in their estimate.
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The 'estimate' is a pure unadulterated guess.
 
Into the Night said:
Me? I make no claim about where any bone comes from.
I make no claim that dinosaurs did or didn't exist.
I really don't care.

Concerning the Universe:
I believe the Universe has no age, since it has no beginning, and has no end. It has always existed, and always will.
The Earth has a beginning, and it has an end.
The age of Earth is unknown. Unless something intervenes, the Earth will be destroyed by the Sun as the Sun uses up the last of it's fuel.
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The Big Bang can be dated. As to the age of everything? Are you talking about the whole shebang? Multiuniverses? We do not know but only can speculate.
 
Into the Night said:
So you openly admit that you have socks.

I don't.

No.

The FBI can scan what they want. There is nothing illegal there. You must think they are really bored.
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To be clear, I only have one account on this forum and only one on yours. Feel better now, Sybil?
 
BartenderElite said:
The universe most definitely has an age.
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I guess he was talking about the entire thing. As Carl used to say, "the universe has always existed and will always be", or something like that. Too lazy to find the quote.

In that case, the Universe has no age. Think of the universe as a basketball ball, there is no age or any beginning or end to whatever is inside it.
 
AProudLefty said:
I guess he was talking about the entire thing. As Carl used to say, "the universe has always existed and will always be", or something like that. Too lazy to find the quote.

In that case, the Universe has no age. Think of the universe as a basketball ball, there is no age or any beginning or end to whatever is inside it.
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Sagan was wrong if that's what he said. The Universe began with the Big Bang.
 
Cypress said:
Surprisingly, 40 percent of Americans think humanity is less than 10k years old. That is a huge percentage and indicates a problem with scientific literacy in USA.
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I agree that far too many DO believe in that unscientific idea, but most of us do not. I question that poll's conclusions. The ones who do not will be the ones who can compete against the rest of the world where superstition and myth isn't a part of technology and science. After all, the elite need support staff, eh? :laugh:
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Sagan was wrong if that's what he said. The Universe began with the Big Bang.
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“The Cosmos is all that is or was or ever will be. Our feeblest contemplations of the Cosmos stir us -- there is a tingling in the spine, a catch in the voice, a faint sensation, as if a distant memory, of falling from a height. We know we are approaching the greatest of mysteries.”

I was talking about in general. We can date the Big Bang but that doesn't mean there wasn't a time BEFORE that. Did the Big Bang all of sudden just appear out of nowhere? All those kinds of questions.

Inside the system, everything can be dated. Outside the system? How can we even know?
 
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