I have no problem as long as honesty comes with it. The Left is intolerant. That is a fact. Cities are burning because of it. Division was elevated to an art form by Obama. Can you admit that?
Accepting Nomination From White House Lawn Violates Hatch Act
- Thread starter PoliTalker
- Start date
I have no problem as long as honesty comes with it. The Left is intolerant. That is a fact. Cities are burning because of it. Division was elevated to an art form by Obama. Can you admit that?
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello coldjoint,
Good. I am glad we can respect one another as fellow Americans who simply disagree on how best to run the nation. Yes, it is true there are some on the left who are intolerant just as much as it is true that there are some on right who are intolerant.
No I disagree that President Obama was a divider. He reached out to Republicans when he took office but his offers were rejected. Instead, Republicans signed a pact to oppose him no matter what and prevent him from getting anything passed. President Obama always tried to reach out to all Americans. He talked of not being a nation of red states and blue states but UNITED states. That doesn't sound like a divider. That sounds like a uniter.
President Trump has been a divider. He has often said disparaging things about Democrats, and often simply not true. Democrats, for instance, do not wish to destroy the suburbs. There is no quote of a single elected Democrat calling for the destruction of suburbs.
Good. I am glad we can respect one another as fellow Americans who simply disagree on how best to run the nation. Yes, it is true there are some on the left who are intolerant just as much as it is true that there are some on right who are intolerant.
No I disagree that President Obama was a divider. He reached out to Republicans when he took office but his offers were rejected. Instead, Republicans signed a pact to oppose him no matter what and prevent him from getting anything passed. President Obama always tried to reach out to all Americans. He talked of not being a nation of red states and blue states but UNITED states. That doesn't sound like a divider. That sounds like a uniter.
President Trump has been a divider. He has often said disparaging things about Democrats, and often simply not true. Democrats, for instance, do not wish to destroy the suburbs. There is no quote of a single elected Democrat calling for the destruction of suburbs.
Ichabod Stain
Was it me?
gay
I do not recall him reaching out. Please refresh my memory with an example. And the pact being signed by Republicans, I do not recall that either.
And you are quoting from his 2004 speech. That speech propelled to the presidency. It does not mean he meant what he said.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello coldjoint,
He totally meant what he said.
I am not surprised his early overtures escaped your attention. Not many Republicans bothered to read Obama's books, didn't know he was sincere. I read "The Audacity of Hope." In it, Obama spent some pages talking about his intentions. He admired the politics of the past where Republicans and Democrats would argue policy during the day, and then go have dinner together in the evening. They were friends with different beliefs and responsibilities to constituents. They had respect for one another. America had more respect for Congress then, too. That all went away with Newt Gingrich. He urged Republicans to stop talking to Democrats, stop even associating with them. They complied. Gingrich destroyed good relations between the parties. It was a tragic mistake. The country has become bitterly divided since then. This has hurt America, not helped.
Obama saw all of this and wanted to turn it around.
Reached out:
"President Barack Obama travels to the Capitol on Tuesday to meet with House and Senate Republicans, the latest in a series of high-profile efforts to reach across the aisle and make good on his campaign promise to swim against the partisan tide that has flooded Washington for decades.
So far, his gestures have shown few signs of success, as Republicans have continued to criticize his signature initiative -- legislation to stimulate the economy -- and even question the sincerity of his efforts. In the stimulus bill's first two tests last week, it passed two committees without a single Republican vote."
Rebuffed:
"President Barack Obama travels to the Capitol on Tuesday to meet with House and Senate Republicans, the latest in a series of high-profile efforts to reach across the aisle and make good on his campaign promise to swim against the partisan tide that has flooded Washington for decades.
So far, his gestures have shown few signs of success, as Republicans have continued to criticize his signature initiative -- legislation to stimulate the economy -- and even question the sincerity of his efforts. In the stimulus bill's first two tests last week, it passed two committees without a single Republican vote."
Reached out further:
"Obama has been working the Republican side of the aisle for weeks. He has made phone calls not just to GOP leaders but also to rank-and-file members.
Obama's chief of staff, former Rep. Rahm Emanuel, is a master of Capitol Hill politicking and was dispatched soon after the election to meet GOP leaders. He has even given out his cell phone number to Republican lawmakers.
Emanuel is hosting two moderate Pennsylvania Republicans -- Reps. Charlie Dent and Jim Gerlach -- along with other Republicans at a White House dinner Tuesday.
Dent and Gerlach are members of the Tuesday Group, which includes several dozen moderate Republicans. Neither will be an easy sell on the stimulus plan. Dent said Monday he would likely oppose the bill as it stands, because he is not convinced the package is designed to spend money quickly enough to stimulate the economy. Gerlach appears to be leaning in the same direction.
In putting together his stimulus bill, Obama had an eye on winning Republican support when he included several business tax breaks.
"There are already provisions in this bill relating to net operating loss, tax cuts and other small-business tax cuts that are directly related to suggestions that Republicans have given the economic team, the president of the United States and other members of Congress," White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Monday."
Rebuffed again:
""So far, it's been a pretty partisan exercise, and we're waiting for the bipartisan part," said Don Stewart, spokesman for Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.)."
The voters noticed:
"But outside Capitol Hill, Republicans seem to like what they see. In a Gallup Poll over the first four days of Obama's presidency, 43 percent of Republicans approved of the job he was doing. Overall, 68 percent of those surveyed approved of Obama -- the highest initial job approval rating since Dwight Eisenhower."
Chicago Tribune
He totally meant what he said.
I am not surprised his early overtures escaped your attention. Not many Republicans bothered to read Obama's books, didn't know he was sincere. I read "The Audacity of Hope." In it, Obama spent some pages talking about his intentions. He admired the politics of the past where Republicans and Democrats would argue policy during the day, and then go have dinner together in the evening. They were friends with different beliefs and responsibilities to constituents. They had respect for one another. America had more respect for Congress then, too. That all went away with Newt Gingrich. He urged Republicans to stop talking to Democrats, stop even associating with them. They complied. Gingrich destroyed good relations between the parties. It was a tragic mistake. The country has become bitterly divided since then. This has hurt America, not helped.
Obama saw all of this and wanted to turn it around.
Reached out:
"President Barack Obama travels to the Capitol on Tuesday to meet with House and Senate Republicans, the latest in a series of high-profile efforts to reach across the aisle and make good on his campaign promise to swim against the partisan tide that has flooded Washington for decades.
So far, his gestures have shown few signs of success, as Republicans have continued to criticize his signature initiative -- legislation to stimulate the economy -- and even question the sincerity of his efforts. In the stimulus bill's first two tests last week, it passed two committees without a single Republican vote."
Rebuffed:
"President Barack Obama travels to the Capitol on Tuesday to meet with House and Senate Republicans, the latest in a series of high-profile efforts to reach across the aisle and make good on his campaign promise to swim against the partisan tide that has flooded Washington for decades.
So far, his gestures have shown few signs of success, as Republicans have continued to criticize his signature initiative -- legislation to stimulate the economy -- and even question the sincerity of his efforts. In the stimulus bill's first two tests last week, it passed two committees without a single Republican vote."
Reached out further:
"Obama has been working the Republican side of the aisle for weeks. He has made phone calls not just to GOP leaders but also to rank-and-file members.
Obama's chief of staff, former Rep. Rahm Emanuel, is a master of Capitol Hill politicking and was dispatched soon after the election to meet GOP leaders. He has even given out his cell phone number to Republican lawmakers.
Emanuel is hosting two moderate Pennsylvania Republicans -- Reps. Charlie Dent and Jim Gerlach -- along with other Republicans at a White House dinner Tuesday.
Dent and Gerlach are members of the Tuesday Group, which includes several dozen moderate Republicans. Neither will be an easy sell on the stimulus plan. Dent said Monday he would likely oppose the bill as it stands, because he is not convinced the package is designed to spend money quickly enough to stimulate the economy. Gerlach appears to be leaning in the same direction.
In putting together his stimulus bill, Obama had an eye on winning Republican support when he included several business tax breaks.
"There are already provisions in this bill relating to net operating loss, tax cuts and other small-business tax cuts that are directly related to suggestions that Republicans have given the economic team, the president of the United States and other members of Congress," White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Monday."
Rebuffed again:
""So far, it's been a pretty partisan exercise, and we're waiting for the bipartisan part," said Don Stewart, spokesman for Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.)."
The voters noticed:
"But outside Capitol Hill, Republicans seem to like what they see. In a Gallup Poll over the first four days of Obama's presidency, 43 percent of Republicans approved of the job he was doing. Overall, 68 percent of those surveyed approved of Obama -- the highest initial job approval rating since Dwight Eisenhower."
Chicago Tribune
Last edited:
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello coldjoint,
I may have confused that with Newt Gingrich's 'Contract With America.'
I was unable to find anything about a signed paper to oppose Obama.
Instead, it was verbal:
"Here’s John Boehner, the likely speaker if Republicans take the House, offering his plans for Obama’s agenda: “We're going to do everything — and I mean everything we can do — to kill it, stop it, slow it down, whatever we can.”
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell summed up his plan to National Journal: “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.” "
...
" It is popular to compare 2010 with 1994. Pundits point to a rejection of an overreaching Democratic president, a swing of moderate and independent voters to Republican ranks and a grass-roots groundswell that brings dozens of new faces to Washington.
But the second part of the prediction foresees that Obama will moderate his goals, Republicans will cool their tone and Washington will be able to responsibly address major issues.
Republicans are sounding like they’re not interested in that part.
To be sure, some of this is political trash-talk, each side trying to stoke up its partisans in the closing hours of the election. Republicans have premised much of their whole campaign on one idea — stop Obama — and it’s put them on the cusp of taking the House and scoring big gains in the Senate, so there’s no reason to quit now.
But veterans of the 1994 takeover are advising both Obama and the GOP to work together over the next two years, arguing that the strategy benefits both sides political and legislatively. "
....
"“I think we're open to speaking to the Republicans, if they really mean it, if they're talking about deficit reduction, if they're willing to move,” Vice President Joe Biden said recently. "
...
" “There will be no compromise on stopping runaway spending, deficits and debt. There will be no compromise on repealing Obamacare,” said Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.) in an interview last week on conservative Hugh Hewitt’s radio show.
“There will be no compromise on stopping Democrats from growing government and raising taxes,” added Pence, who may leave the House GOP leadership to prepare for a presidential run.
And many of the potential incoming Republicans have stated that they wouldn’t budge in trying to meet Democrats halfway.
“When it comes to spending, I'm not compromising. I don't care who, what, when or where, I'm not compromising,” Ken Buck, the Republican Senate nominee in Colorado, told The Washington Post. "
The GOP's no-compromise pledge
I may have confused that with Newt Gingrich's 'Contract With America.'
I was unable to find anything about a signed paper to oppose Obama.
Instead, it was verbal:
"Here’s John Boehner, the likely speaker if Republicans take the House, offering his plans for Obama’s agenda: “We're going to do everything — and I mean everything we can do — to kill it, stop it, slow it down, whatever we can.”
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell summed up his plan to National Journal: “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.” "
...
" It is popular to compare 2010 with 1994. Pundits point to a rejection of an overreaching Democratic president, a swing of moderate and independent voters to Republican ranks and a grass-roots groundswell that brings dozens of new faces to Washington.
But the second part of the prediction foresees that Obama will moderate his goals, Republicans will cool their tone and Washington will be able to responsibly address major issues.
Republicans are sounding like they’re not interested in that part.
To be sure, some of this is political trash-talk, each side trying to stoke up its partisans in the closing hours of the election. Republicans have premised much of their whole campaign on one idea — stop Obama — and it’s put them on the cusp of taking the House and scoring big gains in the Senate, so there’s no reason to quit now.
But veterans of the 1994 takeover are advising both Obama and the GOP to work together over the next two years, arguing that the strategy benefits both sides political and legislatively. "
....
"“I think we're open to speaking to the Republicans, if they really mean it, if they're talking about deficit reduction, if they're willing to move,” Vice President Joe Biden said recently. "
...
" “There will be no compromise on stopping runaway spending, deficits and debt. There will be no compromise on repealing Obamacare,” said Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.) in an interview last week on conservative Hugh Hewitt’s radio show.
“There will be no compromise on stopping Democrats from growing government and raising taxes,” added Pence, who may leave the House GOP leadership to prepare for a presidential run.
And many of the potential incoming Republicans have stated that they wouldn’t budge in trying to meet Democrats halfway.
“When it comes to spending, I'm not compromising. I don't care who, what, when or where, I'm not compromising,” Ken Buck, the Republican Senate nominee in Colorado, told The Washington Post. "
The GOP's no-compromise pledge
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Pence was one to talk about the debt. He and his boss have run the debt up to astonishing levels.
What happened to all the Republican deficit hawks?
What happened to all the Republican deficit hawks?
Obama disgraced the office of president by spying on a candidate for president and then the president elect. Documents show a conspiracy to get Flynn knowing Flynn had done nothing wrong. Obama is in on it and the documents prove it. So far he is above the law. Let's hope that changes.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello coldjoint,
I don't believe that. I think that's fake news. I never saw that on the mainstream news. That sounds like extreme right wing propaganda.
I don't believe that. I think that's fake news. I never saw that on the mainstream news. That sounds like extreme right wing propaganda.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello coldjoint,
Is this the way you intend to argue your position? You've hijacked this thread and turned it into a discussion on Obama. A total 'whataboutism' approach. And when you ask for supporting evidence of my response to your Obama attacks and I provide it, then you change your attack and move on to something else you think is bad about Obama. At least you could acknowledge what you asked for. President Obama did indeed reach out to Republicans and he was rebuffed.
I suppose that is all you've got to work with, really. I mean, Trump is so bad there is no defending him. He refuses to campaign only on his merits and what he would do to make America greater. There is no 'again' because he has never explained when he thinks America was great in the first place.
Can you name a year when you thought America was 'great' so we have something to quantify the 'again' against?
Is this the way you intend to argue your position? You've hijacked this thread and turned it into a discussion on Obama. A total 'whataboutism' approach. And when you ask for supporting evidence of my response to your Obama attacks and I provide it, then you change your attack and move on to something else you think is bad about Obama. At least you could acknowledge what you asked for. President Obama did indeed reach out to Republicans and he was rebuffed.
I suppose that is all you've got to work with, really. I mean, Trump is so bad there is no defending him. He refuses to campaign only on his merits and what he would do to make America greater. There is no 'again' because he has never explained when he thinks America was great in the first place.
Can you name a year when you thought America was 'great' so we have something to quantify the 'again' against?
That is no surprise. They do not tell the whole truth or omit it. They have documents and FBI notes proving what I said.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/aug/20/six-examples-obama-administration-spying-trump-cam/
https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/2...-confirm-obama-directed-anti-flynn-operation/
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello coldjoint,
Thank you.
If every year of America has been great then MAGA makes no sense.
Thank you.
If every year of America has been great then MAGA makes no sense.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello coldjoint,
That says the FBI did, not Obama. If the FBI thought laws were bring broken it is their duty to investigate.
That says the FBI did, not Obama. If the FBI thought laws were bring broken it is their duty to investigate.
The FBI on Obama's watch. And if you read the transcripts memos and notes the FBI knew there were no laws broken.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello coldjoint,
Got it. So it has not been linked to Obama. The headline hook is misleading. Big surprise.
And if the FBI knew no laws were broken I don't think they would have pursued it. There is no deep state. It would be huge news if it were really true. I am not going to believe that because a right wing website says so. It needs to be all over the main stream news. Then you've got something. No big splash all over the main stream media, then it didn't happen.
Got it. So it has not been linked to Obama. The headline hook is misleading. Big surprise.
And if the FBI knew no laws were broken I don't think they would have pursued it. There is no deep state. It would be huge news if it were really true. I am not going to believe that because a right wing website says so. It needs to be all over the main stream news. Then you've got something. No big splash all over the main stream media, then it didn't happen.