America at 250 years.

Hume said:
Maybe. This has never happened in 250 years.
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It happened in 1933 when FDR stole gold from Americans with an executive order, and again in 1971 when Nixon ended Bretton Woods.

There was also the S&L scam, Black Monday, Dotcom, subprime mortgage, and covid. Economists predict the AI scam will be worse than all that came before.
 
Sailor said:
Really? Name a few. Who would actually take you as a citizen. I will wait.
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@Jarod's claim is a significant exaggeration. There are not "about 100 countries" where an American could realistically relocate and access meaningfully better welfare and public assistance as a newcomer.

While many countries (especially in Europe) have more generous citizen-focused social safety nets than the US in areas like universal healthcare, unemployment benefits, or family support, accessing them as a non-citizen/immigrant involves major barriers.

Key Realities on Welfare Generosity​

  • Spending comparisons: OECD data shows several European countries spend far more of GDP on public social expenditure (e.g., France/Italy ~30%+, Nordic countries 25%+, vs. US public spending lower but with substantial private spending). The US ranks lower in public social spending share but higher when including private benefits.
  • Countries with stronger public systems often include comprehensive healthcare, paid parental leave, housing support, and unemployment aid. The US emphasizes work-based programs (e.g., Social Security, Medicare for elderly/disabled, targeted aid like SNAP/Medicaid) with more private elements.
However, "better for an American moving there" is different from "better for citizens."

Most generous welfare systems are restricted to citizens or long-term residents.

Only a small number of high-income countries have notably more expansive systems and pathways for Americans.

Americans need visas/residency (e.g., work, family, investment, or retirement visas). Many European countries require years of legal residency, contributions via taxes/work, or citizenship before full access. Undocumented or short-term stays offer little/none.

Generous benefits often come with high taxes and living costs.

Dual Italian-US citizenship significantly improves access to Italy's welfare and public assistance compared to non-citizens, but it is not automatic or unlimited.

Full benefits generally require establishing residenza (official residency) in an Italian municipality, which involves registering your address with the local Anagrafe (registry office). Once you have residenza and register as a tax resident, you can get the Tessera Sanitaria (health card). This provides access to public healthcare—doctor visits, hospitals, specialists, etc.—at very low or no cost (some co-pays based on income).

Social Assistance (e.g., Assegno di Inclusione or similar) benefits are means-tested and often require a period of residency in Italy (e.g., 5+ years in recent iterations, with stricter rules for non-contributors). Citizenship helps, but recent emigrants may face barriers if they don't meet income, asset, or continuous residency tests. These programs are not designed for immediate "welfare migration."

Residency triggers Italian tax residency (worldwide income reporting, though the US-Italy tax treaty helps avoid double taxation). High income taxes and social contributions apply if working.
 
Jarod said:
I aint leaving yet, Im sticking around to watch the rebound. From this suffering I believe American will come back better than before.
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I pity the person who becomes the next President, they will need their first term to just fix everything Trump has fucked up then get around to what they want to do.
And you can bet Trumps MAGA followers will be all over the fact that the new President hasn't done anything they said they would because they were busy fixing Trumps fuck ups.
 
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