T. A. Gardner
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Great modelling there!
An Earth Day Reminder: “Global Warming” Is Only ~50% Of What Models Predict
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Great modelling there!
Bigdog
Harris - make America a 3rd world shithole
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Goes without saying, so what?
gfm7175
Jesus is LORD!
Dr Roy Spencer is a Church of Global Warming believer, but is just part of a different sect of that religion. He is part of the "not catastrophic" sect, and such people are absolutely despised by the "catastrophic" sect of the religion. I, rather, am not part of the religion at all. I'll now go through his post line by line and add my commentary to it:
The first problem here is that "climate change" is an undefined buzzword. It typically gets circularly defined, which is completely and utterly meaningless. Also, climate is not quantifiable. There is no such thing as "more climate", "less climate", or "average climate". The word 'change' being tacked onto the end of the word 'climate' implies that climate is somehow quantifiable, yet it is NOT quantifiable, so the terminology makes absolutely no sense from the get go (as it fails the internal consistency check).
The second problem here is that Dr Spencer is that there aren't any "observed warming rates" (nothing beyond completely wild guesses, anyway), as it is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth to any usable accuracy. This is because we do not have near enough thermometers to do so, and it is not feasible for us to place thermometers in a manner so that they are evenly spaced and simultaneously read by the same observer (in order to eliminate location and time biases in the data being collected).
This is correct. Most climate claims made by politicians are erroneous in one way or another.
See my explanation above about the "observed warming rates" nonsense.
Firstly, it is not possible to measure global ocean temperature to any usable accuracy, for similar reasons that I have explained earlier regarding Earth's temperature.
Secondly, Dr Spencer needs to define what he means by "climate system". I have no idea what he is referring to there. What climate is he referring to, and how is that climate a system?
Meaningless numbers due to what I have explained earlier. This is pure guesswork and nothing more.
See my above commentary.
And might I point out the level of faith involved in rejecting logic, math, and science to believe in a religion based on buzzwords.
Science denial (2nd Law of Thermodynamics). Within the closed Sun-Earth-Space system, a colder gas (CO2) cannot heat a warmer surface (Earth's surface). Heat flows from hot to cold, not vice versa. It is not possible for CO2 to heat Earth's surface.
This is correct.
We don't know whether the Earth is warming, cooling, or staying the same temperature, as we have no feasible way to accurately measure Earth's temperature.
Logic/science denials. There is no such thing as a "greenhouse gas". Colder gases cannot heat warmer surfaces, as I explained above. One does not put ice cubes in their coffee to make it hot.
This is correct, sans whatever a 'climate system' is supposed to be.
CO2 is quite literally plant food. Plants gobble it up and thrive when there is more of it. John Kerry's idea to remove all CO2 from the atmosphere is horrific, since that would destroy all life on Earth (and would require the destruction of all life on Earth in order to fully achieve).
Bingo. Dr Spencer has this part nailed.
So, I do agree with the "no catastrophe" part of Dr Spencer's sect of Church of Global Warming theology, but I do not agree with the Church of Global Warming theology as a whole, no matter the particular sect of it being discussed. It requires one to reject logic, science, and mathematics in order to adhere to it, so I am not a believer.
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THE REAL "ENVIRONMENTAL CRISIS" is the contamination of our air, soil and water with heavy metals, etc., while we blow resources on the imaginary CO2 "boogeyman"...
Climate alarmists are wrong to call perceived fluctuations in temperature and other climate changes an “emergency”
Both research literature and government reports state clearly that heat waves in the US are now no more common than they were in 1900, and that the warmest temperatures in the US have not risen in the past fifty years,” Steven Koonin, the fomer undersecretary for science at the Department of Energy, wrote.
“Humans have had no detectable impact on hurricanes over the past century,” he wrote, adding that “Greenland’s ice sheet isn’t shrinking any more rapidly today than it was 80 years ago.”
“The global area burned by wildfires has declined more than 25 percent since 2003 and 2020 was one of the lowest years on record,” he said.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/obama-administration-scientist-slams-claims-of-climate-emergency-heat-waves-are-no-more-common-than-they-were-in-1900/ar-BB1g2dob?ocid=msedgntp
Both research literature and government reports state clearly that heat waves in the US are now no more common than they were in 1900, and that the warmest temperatures in the US have not risen in the past fifty years,” Steven Koonin, the fomer undersecretary for science at the Department of Energy, wrote.
“Humans have had no detectable impact on hurricanes over the past century,” he wrote, adding that “Greenland’s ice sheet isn’t shrinking any more rapidly today than it was 80 years ago.”
“The global area burned by wildfires has declined more than 25 percent since 2003 and 2020 was one of the lowest years on record,” he said.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/obama-administration-scientist-slams-claims-of-climate-emergency-heat-waves-are-no-more-common-than-they-were-in-1900/ar-BB1g2dob?ocid=msedgntp
Into the Night
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Unfortunately, Dr. Spencer has no idea what the temperature of Earth actually is. It's not possible to measure it. We just don't have anywhere near enough thermometers to even begin a sensible statistical summary of this type.
Satellites are incapable of measuring absolute temperature. The emissivity of Earth is unknown and likewise cannot be measured. We don't have enough thermometers.
Into the Night
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What 'trend'? The temperature of the stratosphere is unknown.
Into the Night
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Moon replied.
Does he get punished?
Does he have to read the Torah or something?
His eyeballs gonna burst into flames, and not becuz Global Warming!
Too late! Already happened!
Into the Night
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So?
Into the Night
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Venus doesn't have more of an atmosphere. It's just that the atmosphere contains mostly CO2, a heavy molecule. There is no water on Venus, so temperatures at the surface are like Death Valley on steroids, but the planet is closer to the Sun as well. The atmosphere is more dense, but there is not more of it.
No gas or vapor has the capability to create energy out of nothing, or to magickally reduce entropy.
The Stefan-Boltzmann law, which describes how much light is radiated by a substance due to thermal energy, has no component for type or composition of that substance. All substances behave exactly the same way.
Into the Night
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Of course, I do.
Why is ' sudden stratospheric warming ' notable?
How is 'sudden stratospheric warming' even possible to measure?
Into the Night
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Not unprecedented. Texas has had such freezes before. They usually only last for a week or two.
Into the Night
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He isn't. He is making up numbers and calling them data. This is an argument from randU fallacy.
It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth. We don't have anywhere near enough thermometers to even begin a sensible statistical summary of this type.
Into the Night
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The Earth agrees with Dr. Spencer.
The Earth is a planet. It doesn't agree with anybody. Dr. Spencer is making up numbers (random numbers of type randU) and calling them data. That's a fallacy.
Into the Night
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Heavy metals fall out of the air. They are heavy.
They are normally part of our soil and water, which sits atop that soil.
Lead is so common you are walking on it everywhere you go. It usually is in the form of lead oxide.
Iron is also so common you are walking on it everywhere you go. It usually is in the form of iron oxide.
You get get iron particles out of just about anywhere by passing a magnet over loose soil.
Aluminum oxide (often in the form of bauxite) is one of the most prevalent metal sources on Earth. It is quite abundant.
Metallic mercury is often naturally found in deep lakes and pools. Doesn't hurt the fish one bit. People happily catch all kinds of fish on such a lake and never know the mercury is at the bottom of it. It naturally occurs there.
Yes, there is such a thing a mercury poisoning. Yes, you can get it from fish that have been swimming in waters polluted with mercury oxides., but that is far less of an issue than the Church of Green goes on about.
The 'resources' you mention are not fixed. While CO2 is incapable of warming the Earth, it IS being used by the Church of Global Warming to implement fascism and communism. The Church of Global Warming, the Church of Green, and the Church of Covid all stem from the Church of Karl Marx (also known as the Church of Plato).
It's the same old song. Domination by force.
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Yeh you've said that enough times and I've told you that you're talking bollox. Since 1979, NOAA satellites have been carrying instruments which measure the natural microwave thermal emissions from oxygen in the atmosphere. The intensity of the signals these microwave radiometers measure at different microwave frequencies is directly proportional to the temperature of different, deep layers of the atmosphere.
They use their own on-board precision redundant platinum resistance thermometers (PRTs) calibrated to a laboratory reference standard before launch to ensure accuracy.
Lightbringer
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My point is you're trying to speak truth to people who don't want to hear it. What are you trying to accomplish?