Archaeology of the New Testament

[Into the Night]

^^ That's what people who never set foot in a physics, chemistry, or cosmology class say because they don't understand the basic lexicon of science.

Science is a class.
Science isn't a lexicon or language.
ZenMode is not an atheist, despite his claim. He is a fundamentalist.

 

[Into the Night]

@Into the Night has his own vocabulary, his own dictionary and his own definitions of words.

No reason to take any of it seriously.

No dictionary defines any word. False authority fallacy.
Inversion fallacy.

 

[Ichabod Stain]

Do you believe the law of gravity operated billions of years before humans "observed" it?

this is the dumbest shit ever.

completely non responsive to anything going on in this thread.

 

[Into the Night]

You control how many there are and whether or not they are dropped. Once you leave the bucket, all control is lost .

Nope. YOU dropped the tennis balls. YOU are the higher authority of dropping them.

 

[Into the Night]

just because science can't answer it doesn't mean it's philosophical.

it's an unknown.

The Theory of the Big Bang is not a theory of science.

 

[Ichabod Stain]

No dictionary defines any word. False authority fallacy.
Inversion fallacy.

so dumb.

 

[Ichabod Stain]

The Theory of the Big Bang is not a theory of science.

it is a theory of science.

 

[Cypress]

"Law" just means pattern.

You didn't answer the question. Did the universal vector field we named 'gravity' which is manifested as an inverse square mathmatical relationship exist billions of years before humans "observed" it, or not?

Also, explain why the universe has predictable, mathmatically rational, organized "patterns".

Any answer that invokes a "that's just the way it is!" type of response is both an intellectually lazy and unsatisfying answer

 

[Hume]

You didn't answer the question. Did the vector field we named gravity which is manifested as an inverse square mathmatical relationship exist billions of years before humans "observed" it.

Also, explain why the universe has predictable, mathmatical rational, organized "patterns".

Any answer that invokes a "that's just the way it is!" type of response is both an intellectually lazy and unsatisfying answer

Your view is very common for theists. God creates the laws of math and physics. Both Newton and Descartes believed that. No scientist or philosopher to today agrees with that.

 

[Hume]

You didn't answer the question.

I answered. Either your god created them or they are just patterns of the universe. I find nothing interesting in asserting God did it.

 

[Into the Night]

Explain how the ultimate first cause is conceivably scientifically testable.

No science here...move along...move along...

You are just angry at the Bible.

He never read it, apparently. Both of you discard it.

I've seen nothing about Pantheism, Deism, or Panentheism that conflicts with science.

This part is true.

The vector field of acceleration that represents gravity

A vector is not a field.

has existed for over 13 billion years,

Argument from randU fallacy. A vector is not a field.

long before humans were around and is universal in character and scope.

Math error. A vector is not a field.

And this vector field has always had a universal inverse square mathematical relationship - A relationship that was always around 13 billion years before humans invented Hindu-Arabic numerals.

Math error. A vector is not a field.

Mathematical relationships are pure logic.

Redefinition fallacy. Mathematics is not logic. Logic is not mathematics.

I'm still waiting to hear why the best explanation for the universe is that the logical and rational just suddenly appeared from the irrational and inanimate.

Magick Words (logical, rational, irrational, inanimate).
The Universe is unorganized. It is not logic, rationality, or animate.

The balls are acting under the influence of a vector field of acceleration that has an universal inverse square mathematical relationship. We've named that mathematical vector field 'gravity'.

Math error. A vector is not a field.
A vector is not gravity.
There is no such thing as 'universal inverse square mathematics'.
Buzzword fallacies.

Mathematical relationships are pure logic. I'm still waiting to hear why the best explanation for the universe is that the logical and rational just suddenly appeared from the irrational and inanimate.

Mathematics is not logic. Logic is not mathematics.
Magick Words (logical, rational, irrational, inanimate). Go learn English.

You are just angry at the Bible.

He never read it. You discard it.

You didn't know there were any serious flaws in the human body until you read some article by an atheist complaining about it. So your experience of life and your intuition trumps what that atheist wrote.

He is not an atheist.

Never once in your life did did you marvel at the beauty of a sunset, and then cursed your eyes for being too flawed to appreciate the glory and awe striking aesthetics of a great sunset.

You don't know what he has experienced in his entire life. Omniscience fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

Any question that lends itself to deductive, inductive, or abstractive inquiry is philosophical. Philosophy is based on reason and logic.

Philosophy is not a question.

Philosophy is indeed based on reason. You must provide all the reasoning. You cannot use anyone else's reasoning.
You are correct that philosophical reasoning must refrain from committing any serious fallacies.

 

[Into the Night]

Look you brain dead jerkoff, nothing I have ever posted was in favor of theism. You're a jerkoff hate troll.

You have already admitted your belief in the Church of No God, a fundamentalist style religion.

 

[Hume]

You have already admitted your belief in the Church of No God, a fundamentalist style religion.

I see. Not believing in the Christian God makes me a theist. You're a fucking idiot.

 

[Into the Night]

"Law" just means pattern.

Nope. 'Law' has specific meanings.
In science, a theory, when transcribed into mathematical form, gains the power of prediction. This equation is called a 'law'.

In politics, a 'law' is a required demand for behavior as specified by the government.
If the government is a dictatorship, the 'law' is simply created by dictat by a single individual.
If the government is an oligarchy, the 'law' is simply created by dictat by a committee.
If the government is a democracy, the 'law' is simply created by mob rule.
If the government is a republic, the 'law' is created by representatives who in turn were created by that constitution, and is likewise owned by the owners of that constitution.
If there is no government (anarchy), there is no law.

 

[Hume]

Nope. 'Law' has specific meanings.
In science, a theory, when transcribed into mathematical form, gains the power of prediction. This equation is called a 'law'.

A pattern is by definition a prediction.

 

[ZenMode]

Nope. YOU dropped the tennis balls. YOU are the higher authority of dropping them.

Right ..."of dropping them". Again, once they leave the bucket, your control is gone.

 

[Ichabod Stain]

You didn't answer the question. Did the universal vector field we named 'gravity' which is manifested as an inverse square mathmatical relationship exist billions of years before humans "observed" it, or not?

Also, explain why the universe has predictable, mathmatically rational, organized "patterns".

Any answer that invokes a "that's just the way it is!" type of response is both an intellectually lazy and unsatisfying answer

you're a cretin.

 

[Cypress]

Your view is very common for theists. God creates the laws of math and physics. Both Newton and Descartes believed that. No scientist or philosopher to today agrees with that.

The problem with people who only got a science education in high school is that the educational model there is just rote memorization.

Those kids are never taught to think independently about the deeper questions of science and philosophy of science.

The is no self evident explanation for why physical reality should be rational, lawful, mathematically organized. High school kids are just left taking it for granted that's just the way it is, period, end of story.

The inquiry about the origin and reason for mathmatical laws of physics and the universal constants is just as legitimate a scientific and philosophical question as why neurons produce conciousness.

 

[Hume]

The problem with people who only got a science education in high school is that the model there it rote memorization.

I studied science for 4 years in college. Also have read a lot of philosophy of science.